Email Archive - Archive 2004 (5468 messages) (Part 2 of 3)

--- Josh Fernandez wrote: > what's the method that masayuki akimoto, grant tregay or david > wesley use and is there a site for if at all any? Masayuki's solution to the 4x4x4 (which can also be applied to the 5x5x5), can be found here: - http://rokumentai.akimoto3.com/rs12.htm I (and I believe David Wesley) use a method somewhat resembling the one described by Chris Hardwick at: - http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-solution.html After getting down the basic approach, it's just a matter of reducing the number of moves required for each of the more intuitive steps (centers/edges), and then practicing hard. - Grant

Hi Just wanted to let you know I am working on a small javascript program that can do various algorithm related stuff. Anyone can use it in their HTML pages. I made a "howto" page so you can all get started easily. Thanks for all the suggestions on my page (mostly from the FMC group). You can generate random algs with it. Maybe someone can tell me the best algorithm (here I mean it in the strict programming sence) for generating random algs. here is the link http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/model/CubeObjectsHowTo.htm It works closely with my applet page http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp Michiel --------------------------------------------------- Michiel van der Blonk Sombre 19 Santa Cruz, Aruba +297 5850034 +297-5920952 Please note that blonkm@... has a junkmail filter. If you are not on my contact list your mail will automatically be deleted. If so, reply to blonkm@... DISCLAIMER: This message contains privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the individual named.If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate,distribute,store,print, copy or deliver this message.Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system.E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,corrupted,lost,destroyed,arrive late or incomplete or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, You've still got about 21 and a half hours to do the Sunday contest so submit your results! You fast guys definitely should try and beat Macky using the Caltech competition solves. Anyway, it's been suggested that the Sunday contest should be done on "sunday". Of course, this isn't always the most convenient thing for people. What do people think about having the scrambles go up on Friday morning? This would limit the time the actual competition is done to the weekend basically. Are there any opinions about this? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Book-burning is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to think of it as "English lit."

hey tyson, having the scrambles up on friday would be a great idea. it would give more people the opportunity to compete in the sunday contest. - richard wang --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > You've still got about 21 and a half hours to do the > Sunday contest so > submit your results! You fast guys definitely > should try and beat > Macky using the Caltech competition solves. > > Anyway, it's been suggested that the Sunday contest > should be done on > "sunday". Of course, this isn't always the most > convenient thing for > people. What do people think about having the > scrambles go up on > Friday morning? This would limit the time the > actual competition is > done to the weekend basically. > > Are there any opinions about this? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > Book-burning is such an ugly phrase. > I prefer to think of it as "English lit." > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

hi all, is there such a thing as different original 3x3x3 cubes? cos i had a feeling that some of those cubes i saw in videos were different if there is, how are they different and which is better? thanks

I guess what I was trying to say is... should I post up the solves so you have 1 full week or just the weekend? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Chocolate? Chipotle? Hey, it's easy to make a simple mistake like that when you forget your reading glasses -- but just try telling that to a birthday party full of screaming toddlers. On May 2, 2004, at 7:49 AM, richard wang wrote: > > having the scrambles up on friday would be a great > idea. it would give more people the opportunity to > compete in the sunday contest. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i would just buy any silicone that is "100% pure silicone". of course it will contain propellent too. the silicone i use is made by "castle", and it says right on the can "100% silicone". the nice thing about castle silicone is that the propellent is unbeleivably quick drying. and the faster the propellant evaporates, the sooner your cube turns smoothly after lubing it. i have a bunch of cans of the stuff. i mean if someone is super desperate for good silicone, i'll sell them a can. you might be able to even buy it online, but i haven't looked. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stefanlagerholm" <vinghzzz@h...> wrote: > This is exactly what i'm looking for aswell: > > "Also, what I was really looking for was attributes that I should look > for, something like 'XXX shouldn't be in there, but lots of YYY'."

a full week please. --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > I guess what I was trying to say is... should I post > up the solves so > you have 1 full week or just the weekend? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > Chocolate? Chipotle? Hey, it's easy to make > a simple mistake like that when you forget your > reading glasses -- but just try telling that > to a birthday party full of screaming toddlers. > > On May 2, 2004, at 7:49 AM, richard wang wrote: > > > > > having the scrambles up on friday would be a > great > > idea. it would give more people the opportunity > to > > compete in the sunday contest. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

in masayuki akimoto's solution to the professor cube, how do you apply steps 6 and 7 to the 5x5x5?

Hey everybody, I posted about this puzzle a while ago. I just wanted to write again to say I finally figured out how to always solve it! On the program there are only 8 levels, and you don't get to a level where every piece is distinct, which would be cool. Once you figure out how to solve it, it's actually not that hard. The puzzle is at http://mirrored.flabber.nl/log.rotation/ for anyone who is interested. Can anyone else beat level 8? ;-) Actually, for you programming people, how hard would it be to learn Java to program that? I'm tired of running into cool puzzles on the internet and not being able to write applets for ideas I have for how to change them. If I were to pick up a java book to write a puzzle that does the same thing this one does (I can deal without the rotating motion) what would I have to study to do that? I'd eventually like to work up to a cube applet, but for now I want to start with easy puzzles. Thanks in advance for the help, Chris P.S. Everyone should try that puzzle, it's very cool!

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tay Di-Hong" <ditrix88@h...> wrote: > hi all, > is there such a thing as different original 3x3x3 cubes? > cos i had a feeling that some of those cubes i saw in videos were > different > if there is, how are they different and which is better? > thanks There are many original 3x3x3 cubes type just look at my collection. The ones normally used for speedcubing are Rubiks.com cube Rubiks Studio cube Arxon Rubik's cube Deluxe Rubik's cube Arched Rubik's cube Which one is better? This depends on your style. I prefer the Arxon type then the Rubiks Studio cube. Others prefer Rubik's.com cube. So you can choice, the most important is that it must be smooth and stable. Ton

On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 04:42:16AM -0000, cmhardw wrote: > If I were to pick up a java book to write a puzzle that does the > same thing this one does (I can deal without the rotating motion) > what would I have to study to do that? I'd eventually like to work > up to a cube applet, but for now I want to start with easy puzzles. Here's a good place to start: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/ Ryan

I was bored so I felt like doing some of the math for this puzzle. http://mirrored.flabber.nl/log.rotation/ I started looking at the controls and the allowable types of moves, and it turns out that it is possible on this puzzle to come up with a transposition algorithm (switch only 2 pieces), even when all pieces are distinct. Clicking any control circle 3 times does 3 transpositions, 2 of which can be undone using a commutator. Anyway here's the transposition alg: 1) number the controls pieces (the 7 centralmost circles) 1-7 from left to right and top to bottom 2) clicking the "1" control circle n times is denoted 1^n 3) transposition alg - 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3 1 7^3 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3 1^5 which breaks down as [1^3] [7^3 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3] 1 [7^3 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3] 1^5 where the first 1^3 is a permutation to do 3 transpositions, then all the rest is a commutator with C=7^3 1^3 7^3 1^3 7^3 and D=1 (of the form CDC'D'). Since you are allowed to switch any two pieces, the puzzle can realize all 19! positions if every circle has a distinct design. Here are the number of allowable positions for each level: 1) 19 2) 171 3) 2 907 4) 3 876 5) 11 628 6) 27 132 7) 352 716 8) 2 618 916 300 (more than the 2x2x2 cube!) If every circle was distinct it would have 19! = 121 645 100 408 832 000 positions, that's about 1/355 of the combinations to a 3x3x3 cube! Ok, so I was bored and in a geeky mood :) Chris

Hi cubist Luc Forest is the quebecois champion 1981 personnel method layer by layer average 31 secondes and similary jasmine's website method. Luc look my method and I am fewest algorythm sub 30 without inspection. My young friend solve 32 secondes with inspection and fewest algorythm edge system. Thiery Gagnaire french book method 1981 is very fast method 2x2x2 on step 2. "Gaétan your method is not the fastest but without inspection maybe and fewest move 1 or 2 minutes, yes" Sebastien Felix 4e french championship with my corner method. Welcome Sebastien you are official top 5 french fastest cubist. Thx for me!. All orient 8 corner on one algorythm is magic for me! Erno Rubik love the cube 2x2x2 for human approach, I think:))? Gaétan Guimond --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "joel_vn" <joel_vn@y...> wrote: > Hi, > > I learned Gaétan Guimond's method for solving the mini-cube this > week. It's a very efficient method: It alows me to solve the mini- > cube in less then 20 moves (I've been counting, and I think I > average about 17 moves). On speedcubing.com, a lot of cubers > mentioned 'CLL' for solving the last layer. Does anyone know if this > method is faster? And does anyone know a good website to learn this > method? > > Thanks ;), > > Joël.

Hey everyone, The sunday contest has moved to here: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/sundaycontest.htm I'll keep the other page up for a little bit. Awesome job by Joseph and Jonathan with the 39 second blindfold solve. I want to see that in person... it broke the old unofficial record. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology I came up with a great new drinking game: I do a shot every time a member of my family says "intervention."

Two questions: - Can you already program at all? What languages? - Do you realize this game was not made with Java but with Macromedia Flash? I have no idea how Flash works, though. Stefan

I wish popularity for challenge fewest move. I dream the algorythm god program with Dan Harris. Exemple 17 moves program and Goljan solve 25 moves= + 8 moves for Goljan. Ex: Next week 21 moves program and Petrus or Goljan :)) solve 26 moves= + 5 moves excellent information for the cubist no? And good looking challenge? Give me your opinion please? Is possible ? Gaétan

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, hubexe <no_reply@y...> wrote: > in masayuki akimoto's solution to the professor cube, how do you apply steps 6 and 7 to > the 5x5x5? Hi, Thanks for your interest in my method. Step3. (Middle edges.) and Step6. (Permute last U edges) may be the most difficult parts in my method. I worry if you may not understand without pictures. Step6. (Permute last U edges) Before explanation, I would define each edge as El, Ec, Er. Ec :MD2M' El, Er :rl'D2r'l El,Ec, Er:rMl'D2r'M'l Those algorithms should not mix up center pieces. Use these algs effectively. If you have pair of El-Ec, Ec-Er, or El-Ec in same orientation, solve this pair first. El or Er left. You can apply Step 6-2 of 4x4x4. Ec left. MD2M' or S'U'SDS'USD' In the other case, solve either Ec or Er (El) pretending l, M, and r as one slice set, you can solve at least one edge either El, Ec, Er as same as 3x3x3 but you may need extra Ds to flip the rest of edges. If you solved Ec first, and if you could keep either Er or El which can be solved by rl'D2r'l, you can solve the last edge as same as 4x4x4. If you solved Er or El first, you can also place Ec which can be solved by MD2M'. you can solve the last edge easily. I normally don't use but in case you have edge pair in different orientation that means Er-Ec or El-Ec, solve Ec with flipped Er or El. Then you can apply 7-2-2iv to solve Er and El simultanously. Step7 (Last Layer) 7-1 (corners) Must be as same as smaller cubes. 7-2-1,7-2-2 You can use all the algorithms. 7-2-3 This is Chris's algorithm. You will have middle edges problem if you directly apply this for 5x5x5. You can fix the centers by E'L2Er2E'L2Er2. Or you can solve by combintaion of 7-2-2iii and 7-2-2-iv 7-2-4 You can directly apply them to 5x5x5. I hope this help you to finish 5x5x5 with my method. Good luck. Masayuki Akimoto

Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks jake

Personnaly, I use my notation to memoryse easier the algorithms. I also printed all the 57 pictograms and cuted them in 57 little squares. When I learned 6 algorithms, I mixed these 6 squares and I tried to find the algorithms and do it with soved cube until the cube became solved again. And when I added others algorithms, I did it again with this 6 squares and after with all these squares (12 squares) and etc... You can also visit my site : http://speedcubing-diagrams.fr.vu Take your time and be patient A+ Loic ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelley To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:08 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] PLL Algs Does anybody have any tips on how to keep all of the PLL algs organized in your brain? :) Thanks, Kelley Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, every cube solver dreads, saying good bye to the very first cube they first solved and gave their time; best, average or otherwise (sob). Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis using a cloth lightly sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, when suddenly, the piece suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the floor. I tried to catch it but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix printer. Somehow the data cord got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of it. It was broken into 8 pieces, impossible to put back, I know I collected, counted and tried to put the pieces back together with crazy glue. Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN YOUR CUBE NEAR ANYTHING POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it may seem. (Which is something hard to know by the way, darn near IMPOSSIBLE!!!) A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube it and get use to it all over again. And tring to find a good one here in the Philippines is something that will take a while, believe me, it will. It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, do sub-minute times. It just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days before during lunch break, it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best average of 1:11.15

*sobbin* Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks when you have to put down your first cube. I remember when i put down my first, but that wasn't from an accident though... jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, every cube solver dreads, > saying good bye to the very first cube they first solved and gave their > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis using a cloth lightly > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, when suddenly, the piece > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the floor. I tried to catch it > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix printer. Somehow the data cord > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of it. It was broken into 8 > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I collected, counted and tried to put > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN YOUR CUBE NEAR ANYTHING > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it may seem. (Which is > something hard to know by the way, darn near IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube it and get use to it all > over again. And tring to find a good one here in the Philippines is > something that will take a while, believe me, it will. > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, do sub-minute times. It > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days before during lunch break, > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best average of 1:11.15

I gave my first cube away to a good friend when he learned, it was moving. :) -K- --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > *sobbin* > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > when you have to > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > down my first, but > that wasn't from an accident though... > > jake > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Arturo N. Diocton > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > every cube solver > dreads, > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > solved and gave > their > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > using a cloth > lightly > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > when suddenly, > the piece > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > floor. I tried to > catch it > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > printer. Somehow the > data cord > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > it. It was > broken into 8 > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > collected, counted and > tried to put > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > YOUR CUBE NEAR > ANYTHING > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > may seem. (Which is > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > it and get use to > it all > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > the Philippines is > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > will. > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > do sub-minute > times. It > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > before during > lunch break, > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > average of 1:11.15 > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Hi Tyson, Masayuki I think the 45 degrees or less away from completely solved and squared away id fair. DJ Follow the fundamental rules, not the run-to-mental fools. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > So this was my logic that I wrote in an earlier post. We are trying to > solve a cube... not come close to solving a cube. The boundary between > a solved cube and a cube one-move away should lean towards the cube > more being solved than the other way around. That's why I feel the > amount should be less than 45 degrees. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > If you ever make the grueling trek to speak to the > wise old man who lives at the top of the mountain > and he lets you ask one question of him, don't make > the mistake I did and blurt out, "How's it hangin'?" > > On May 1, 2004, at 6:08 PM, makimoto2000us wrote: > > > > > Hi Tyson, > > > > The link doesn't work but I joined the caltechrubiks group and was > > able to see the picture finally. > > > > We are taliking similar situation but just the other side. > > To your picture, I would allow until the left groove aligned, so it > > becomes more than 45 degree. > > Your definition may be better. > > > > Masayuki Akimoto

I gave my first cube away to a good friend when he learned, it was moving. :) -K- --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > *sobbin* > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > when you have to > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > down my first, but > that wasn't from an accident though... > > jake > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Arturo N. Diocton > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > every cube solver > dreads, > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > solved and gave > their > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > using a cloth > lightly > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > when suddenly, > the piece > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > floor. I tried to > catch it > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > printer. Somehow the > data cord > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > it. It was > broken into 8 > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > collected, counted and > tried to put > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > YOUR CUBE NEAR > ANYTHING > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > may seem. (Which is > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > it and get use to > it all > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > the Philippines is > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > will. > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > do sub-minute > times. It > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > before during > lunch break, > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > average of 1:11.15 > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

I think I've broken 4 axels in the past year....if you have all the other cubies, the axel comes along nicely. -Richard --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > *sobbin* > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > when you have to > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > down my first, but > that wasn't from an accident though... > > jake > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Arturo N. Diocton > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > every cube solver > dreads, > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > solved and gave > their > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > using a cloth > lightly > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > when suddenly, > the piece > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > floor. I tried to > catch it > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > printer. Somehow the > data cord > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > it. It was > broken into 8 > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > collected, counted and > tried to put > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > YOUR CUBE NEAR > ANYTHING > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > may seem. (Which is > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > it and get use to > it all > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > the Philippines is > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > will. > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > do sub-minute > times. It > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > before during > lunch break, > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > average of 1:11.15 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

my first cube was stolen at school :-( i mean, who would steal a cube!? its a sad world Evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > I think I've broken 4 axels in the past year....if you > have all the other cubies, the axel comes along > nicely. > -Richard > --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > *sobbin* > > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > > when you have to > > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > > down my first, but > > that wasn't from an accident though... > > > > jake > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "Arturo N. Diocton > > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > > every cube solver > > dreads, > > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > > solved and gave > > their > > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > > using a cloth > > lightly > > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > > when suddenly, > > the piece > > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > > floor. I tried to > > catch it > > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > > printer. Somehow the > > data cord > > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > > it. It was > > broken into 8 > > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > > collected, counted and > > tried to put > > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > > YOUR CUBE NEAR > > ANYTHING > > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > > may seem. (Which is > > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > > it and get use to > > it all > > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > > the Philippines is > > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > > will. > > > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > > do sub-minute > > times. It > > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > > before during > > lunch break, > > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > > average of 1:11.15 > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

At least the guys at my school were nice enough to leave my cube and steal my TI-83. Oh crap, nevermind. Doug On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 22:24, evanmgates wrote: > my first cube was stolen at school :-( > i mean, who would steal a cube!? > its a sad world > > Evan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson > <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > I think I've broken 4 axels in the past year....if you > > have all the other cubies, the axel comes along > > nicely. > > -Richard > > --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > *sobbin* > > > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > > > when you have to > > > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > > > down my first, but > > > that wasn't from an accident though... > > > > > > jake > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > "Arturo N. Diocton > > > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > > > every cube solver > > > dreads, > > > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > > > solved and gave > > > their > > > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > > > using a cloth > > > lightly > > > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > > > when suddenly, > > > the piece > > > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > > > floor. I tried to > > > catch it > > > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > > > printer. Somehow the > > > data cord > > > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > > > it. It was > > > broken into 8 > > > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > > > collected, counted and > > > tried to put > > > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > > > YOUR CUBE NEAR > > > ANYTHING > > > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > > > may seem. (Which is > > > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > > > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > > > it and get use to > > > it all > > > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > > > the Philippines is > > > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > > > will. > > > > > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > > > do sub-minute > > > times. It > > > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > > > before during > > > lunch break, > > > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > > > average of 1:11.15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hey everyone, Just a friendly reminder to send in your US National Registrations. Everyone is welcome to the tournament but only US Citizens and Permanent Residents can claim the title of US Champion. The winner of the tournament can be anyone. If you know of people who don't read the forums, please let them know about the US Nationals. The format for the other events will be decided very soon... (after i finish my midterms.) For open round events, the format will be dealt with on an individual basis. If you have registered, I will send you a confirmation with all of the information I think that I got from you. Again... you'll get your confirmation after I finish my midterms. Oh... and I've gotten some more stuff on my website running at http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao . You'll find what I'm writing up for the World Rubik's Cube Association in terms of tournament rules which will be applied to the US Nationals. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology I came up with a great new drinking game: I do a shot every time a member of my family says "intervention."

Been checking out your site the last couple of days, and there are a ton of good tips there, really great. However, there are a couple of things that don't seem to work, and that's some of the "Click here to download a video of how to perform this alg" links in the OLL-section. Don't know if it's intentional or not, just wanted to let you know. Regards, Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > Hi guys and girls, > > Cubestation is back online at last! It would have been up sooner, > were it not for the bad timing, it went down the day before I had to > go away for 7 days on a University field trip. However, it is now > back up and will be updated today, with FMC results and new stuff > etc. > > Cheers, > > Dan :)

As you said, there are a lot of interesting things on Dan's site. Some pages are still a work in progress, but I don't think Dan will keep them this way ad vitam eternam. If you've got a suggestion regarding his site, maybe you should tell him directly, his e-mail address is public. Gilles. PS: Don't take my comment too personally, hundreds of messages posted in this group in the past have nothing to do in a public (archived) channel. Oops, I feel I'm going to be moderated ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stefanlagerholm" <vinghzzz@h...> wrote: > Been checking out your site the last couple of days, and there are a > ton of good tips there, really great. > However, there are a couple of things that don't seem to work, and > that's some of the "Click here to download a video of how to perform > this alg" links in the OLL-section. > Don't know if it's intentional or not, just wanted to let you know. > > Regards, > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > > Hi guys and girls, > > > > Cubestation is back online at last! It would have been up sooner, > > were it not for the bad timing, it went down the day before I had > to > > go away for 7 days on a University field trip. However, it is now > > back up and will be updated today, with FMC results and new stuff > > etc. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dan :)

Thank you all for you concern, but the only thing I can do right now is to really look into the nooks and crany of all the malls, toys and specialty stores here. I have not be without a cube in my hands for more than 2 or 3 hours, well except while sleeping anyway. And I hope the latest algorithms I've just put into memory doesn't degrade while looking for a new cube. (sigh....) Well, wish me luck you guys and gals. -----Original Message----- From: j_rueth [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 07:09 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Good bye my cube. *sobbin* Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks when you have to put down your first cube. I remember when i put down my first, but that wasn't from an accident though... jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, every cube solver dreads, > saying good bye to the very first cube they first solved and gave their > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis using a cloth lightly > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, when suddenly, the piece > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the floor. I tried to catch it > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix printer. Somehow the data cord > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of it. It was broken into 8 > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I collected, counted and tried to put > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN YOUR CUBE NEAR ANYTHING > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it may seem. (Which is > something hard to know by the way, darn near IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube it and get use to it all > over again. And tring to find a good one here in the Philippines is > something that will take a while, believe me, it will. > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, do sub-minute times. It > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days before during lunch break, > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best average of 1:11.15 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, turnthatcube <no_reply@y...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tay Di-Hong" > <ditrix88@h...> wrote: > > hi all, > > is there such a thing as different original 3x3x3 cubes? > > cos i had a feeling that some of those cubes i saw in videos were > > different > > if there is, how are they different and which is better? > > thanks > > There are many original 3x3x3 cubes type just look at my collection. > The ones normally used for speedcubing are > > Rubiks.com cube > Rubiks Studio cube > Arxon Rubik's cube > Deluxe Rubik's cube > Arched Rubik's cube > > Which one is better? This depends on your style. I prefer the Arxon > type then the Rubiks Studio cube. > Others prefer Rubik's.com cube. So you can choice, the most important > is that it must be smooth and stable. > > Ton wow so many? where do you actually get them? its already hard to find a rubiks.com cube in singapore

> PS: Don't take my comment too personally, hundreds of messages posted > in this group in the past have nothing to do in a public (archived) > channel. But saying it in public puts him under more pressure so we might get what we want faster. Mwuhahahaha!!! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > PS: Don't take my comment too personally, hundreds of messages > posted > > in this group in the past have nothing to do in a public (archived) > > channel. > > But saying it in public puts him under more pressure so we might get > what we want faster. Mwuhahahaha!!! > > Stefan ^^ My point exactly. :) /Stefan L

Hi, as I am quite well comfortable in Java programming and I teach Java at a university now, maybe I can help a little. If you know nothing about Java or at least C/C++, you should learn the language basic constructs (declarations, object creation, control constructs, etc.) As soon as you are more confortable in the basic programming, there are many things to learn to be able to program games with graphics. I have done several simple graphical applets concerning graphics and games with source included: http://java.rubikscube.info/ - graphical applets with increasing complexity http://software.rubikscube.info/Azteroidz/ - asteroids game prototype http://software.rubikscube.info/RBF/ - simple neural network OCR (page in Czech - sorry) If you really want to try Java and have problems, feel free to contact me. Josef > Actually, for you programming people, how hard would it be to learn > Java to program that? I'm tired of running into cool puzzles on the > internet and not being able to write applets for ideas I have for > how to change them. > > If I were to pick up a java book to write a puzzle that does the > same thing this one does (I can deal without the rotating motion) > what would I have to study to do that? I'd eventually like to work > up to a cube applet, but for now I want to start with easy puzzles. > > Thanks in advance for the help,

Where did you get the 469 figure from ? Wayne --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) > CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks > > jake

Pahhhh... You can contact me directly, or of course post in the Yahoo Group. I don't mind posts in the Yahoo group of course, because they generate good publicity for my website ;) Gilles is right, Cubestation is a work in progress, and it's not going to stay broken for evermore. My exams are from the 13-29, so I'm afraid to say it will probably lack some current stuff for the time being, but afterwards, normal service will of course, be resumed :) I will continue to host the FMC, and I promise to post the results for the challenges I am behind on before launching another challenge this Friday! But I'm really glad you all use and like the site, and it's a good feeling to be relied upon! Cheers, Dan :) P.S. my address is dan_j_harris@... - if you need to contact me personally about any matters arising from my site or the cube in general :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stefanlagerholm" <vinghzzz@h...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > > PS: Don't take my comment too personally, hundreds of messages > > posted > > > in this group in the past have nothing to do in a public > (archived) > > > channel. > > > > But saying it in public puts him under more pressure so we might > get > > what we want faster. Mwuhahahaha!!! > > > > Stefan > > ^^ > > My point exactly. :) > > /Stefan L

Ok I REALLY need help understanding how to plan and execute F2L properly, ive been doing it using 3 algorithms and it just isn't helping...im still averaging 20 seconds for f2l alone, anyone interested in coaching me on solving? -K- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember someone saying that there is a corners first method uses 469 algs, i think dan gosbee was saying that this was the method he was using, or developed... I just wanted to see what this method is like :) jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" < mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > Where did you get the 469 figure from ? > > Wayne > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) > > CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks > > > > jake

if you are only using 3 algs then you should probably learn some more ;) the truth is to keep on working and experimenting with things. It will click eventully, and a 20 sec f2l isnt bad at all, if you can do that with only 3 algs, then you are doin awesome. The biggest problem with the f2l is speed. People try and do the f2l as fast as possible. This is bad because when your turning so fast its hard to pick up on what you are going to next. Just be able to turn at a pace that enables you to look ahead yet move at a nice speed. I've been fighting with it myself and lightbulbs still flash now and then to lower my times. good luck jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant < craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Ok I REALLY need help understanding how to plan and execute F2L properly, ive been doing it using 3 algorithms and it just isn't helping...im still averaging 20 seconds for f2l alone, anyone interested in coaching me on solving? > > -K- > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

His method may require that many but the Waterman system is probably around 150. Wayne --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I remember someone saying that there is a corners first method uses 469 > algs, i think dan gosbee was saying that this was the method he was using, > or developed... I just wanted to see what this method is like > > :) jake > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" < > mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > > Where did you get the 469 figure from ? > > > > Wayne > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) > > > CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks > > > > > > jake

Dan Gosbee's CF method requires 463 algorithms. Kelley

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) > CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks > > jake I don't know any method requiring 469 "algorithms", but if the method you're looking for belongs to the CF class of approaches, you could try the cornersfirst Yahoo group. Gilles. PS: Josef Jelinek is building a page dealing with the method used by Marc Waterman (work in progress). See http://www.rubikscube.info/waterman/index.html

Hi Kyle, 20 seconds in average for F2L is not that bad, considering you only use 3 algs and haven't been cubing for a long time... I average around 28 seconds for the whole cube, but I don't think I average very much better than 20 seconds for F2L. So at a certain point, the only good advice is to practice, and if you can, try to figure out your own algs for the F2L. François Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: Ok I REALLY need help understanding how to plan and execute F2L properly, ive been doing it using 3 algorithms and it just isn't helping...im still averaging 20 seconds for f2l alone, anyone interested in coaching me on solving? -K- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

luckily i still have my first.... but its sad since my friend's old arxon cube (which is by far the best cube ive ever used) was stolen.... and it was his dad's cube too... :( hang in there buddy -cubekid Doug Reed <dougreed@...> wrote: At least the guys at my school were nice enough to leave my cube and steal my TI-83. Oh crap, nevermind. Doug On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 22:24, evanmgates wrote: > my first cube was stolen at school :-( > i mean, who would steal a cube!? > its a sad world > > Evan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson > <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > I think I've broken 4 axels in the past year....if you > > have all the other cubies, the axel comes along > > nicely. > > -Richard > > --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > *sobbin* > > > Thats so sad!!! I'm sorry man, that really sucks > > > when you have to > > > put down your first cube. I remember when i put > > > down my first, but > > > that wasn't from an accident though... > > > > > > jake > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > "Arturo N. Diocton > > > Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > > > Well my dear friends, I have done what I think, > > > every cube solver > > > dreads, > > > > saying good bye to the very first cube they first > > > solved and gave > > > their > > > > time; best, average or otherwise (sob). > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I was cleaning and lubing my cube axis > > > using a cloth > > > lightly > > > > sprayed with silicone, it was a fine day at that, > > > when suddenly, > > > the piece > > > > suddenly slipped out of my hand and fell on the > > > floor. I tried to > > > catch it > > > > but by doing so, got crushed by my dot matrix > > > printer. Somehow the > > > data cord > > > > got cought or yanked by my foot and fell on top of > > > it. It was > > > broken into 8 > > > > pieces, impossible to put back, I know I > > > collected, counted and > > > tried to put > > > > the pieces back together with crazy glue. > > > > > > > > Anyway the moral of this accident is : DON'T CLEAN > > > YOUR CUBE NEAR > > > ANYTHING > > > > POTENTIALLY CRUSHING, No matter how far fetch it > > > may seem. (Which is > > > > something hard to know by the way, darn near > > > IMPOSSIBLE!!!) > > > > > > > > A H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! > > > > > > > > Now I have to find a new one, condition it, lube > > > it and get use to > > > it all > > > > over again. And tring to find a good one here in > > > the Philippines is > > > > something that will take a while, believe me, it > > > will. > > > > > > > > It just got to happen when I can, once in a while, > > > do sub-minute > > > times. It > > > > just not fair!!! AHHH!!! and even more AHHHHH!!! > > > > > > > > BTW just before the demise of my cube, three days > > > before during > > > lunch break, > > > > it gave me my best time of 50.15 sec and my best > > > average of 1:11.15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the link Gilles, I'll check it out. I thought watermans solution was a lot bigger. Thanks jake

i was averaging about 20 seconds for the first two layers until i did two things slow down (dont you hate it when everyone keeps telling you that, and they are right!?) and use the second applet on this page http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu-k/ i use it to practice both looking ahead, and sloving the f2l as fast as possible i either do it on the 9 second for a challenge or the 21, and solve the pair that i messed up while doing it, and the rest of the cube when im done in one night i dropped 3 or 4 seconds off my average because of that hope it helps Evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François SECHET <frsechet@y...> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > 20 seconds in average for F2L is not that bad, considering you only use 3 algs and haven't been cubing for a long time... I average around 28 seconds for the whole cube, but I don't think I average very much better than 20 seconds for F2L. So at a certain point, the only good advice is to practice, and if you can, try to figure out your own algs for the F2L. > François > > Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Ok I REALLY need help understanding how to plan and execute F2L properly, ive been doing it using 3 algorithms and it just isn't helping...im still averaging 20 seconds for f2l alone, anyone interested in coaching me on solving? > > -K- > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail > > Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Does anyone have a list of the 469 algs used in Watermans( i think) > CF method? I'd like to see them if possible... thanks > > jake There are a total of 141 algs used in Waterman's method, provided that you don't run into any complications. This total includes a lot of mirrored algs. Roughly, the method involves the following steps: 1. solve one face 2. orient and permute the remaining corners (1 of 43 algs) Next, hold the solved face in your left hand, with the corners solved in step 2 in the R face. The next steps are to solve the right edge pieces (called "redges"), and orient all the middle edge pieces (called "midges") in two algs. The M slice is referred to as the "ring". 3. Solve 2 redges such that you leave 1 or 0 redges in the ring. Do this by picking an alg which solves 1 redge in the ring and 1 in the R face (1 of 6 algs), OR pick an alg which solves 2 redges in the ring (1 of 6 algs) 4. Solve the last 2 redges, and orient all the midges in 1 alg. If both redges are in the R face, then you have to pick 1 of 14 algs. If one redge is in the R face, and one is in the ring, then pick one of 48 algs. 5. solve the midges, 1 of 3 algs, which are trivial. additional algs are included to handle situations where one or more redges are solved by the end of step 2. flip one redge and orient midges: 2 algs solve one redge in the ring and orient midges: 16 algs (8 algs and their mirrors) if all redges are solved, orient midges: 3 algs I think that the algs from step 3 are borrowed from the algs in step 4, but listed separately. In addition to this set of algs, there are additional components to the system designed to handle ugly situations such as when you have 3 or 4 redges cycled in the r face, or when you have all 4 redges in the ring. If you can master all of the bad situations in addition to the basic (!) system, you should be able to solve the R face and orient the M slice in 2 algs or processes, no matter what. since you pretty much use only U, R, and M, you don't have to regrip with your left hand too much (there are some algs with F moves). Here are a few example algs from step 3 to show the basic idea. Try doing the inverse of the algs on a solved cube to set these up. To solve 2 redges in the ring, one at FU and one at FD (FU means that the R facelet of the redge is on the F face as opposed to UF, which puts the R facelet on the U face) , do this: U2 (R) M U2 M' U M2 U (R)' U2 When you execute this alg, the redge at FU will get placed in the hole at RU, and the redge at FD will get placed in the hole in the R face which is turned up to the RU position with the turn (R). (R)' is just the inverse of whatever R move you did in (R). To solve 2 redges where one is in the ring at DF (R facelet of this redge is in the D face), and one is in the correct hole in the R face at the position RU but flipped, do this: U2 (R) U' M U2 M2 U' (R)' U2 in this case, the move (R) means turn the R face so that the hole that the redge in the ring belongs to gets moved to the RU position. In any case its a neat but scary system. Lucas

Hey everyone, I've written up some rules for the Caltech 3x3x3 speedsolve competition. You can find them here: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/us2004/rules.htm Let me know if any part of these rules are not clear. I'm unfortunately not a lawyer so my English probably needs to be a better. Unless you have a major complaint, keep in mind that I can't tailor these rules to everyone's desires. The same goes as I write the rules for the World Rubik's Cube Association. Some of these rules will end up being copied into the WRCA's rules. I'll add other issues as I come up with them. That's what the last clause is for... just in case. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Nobody plans to fail, they just fail to plan. Therefore, it's probably best to always plan to fail to fail to plan.

Can you give us the URL of the applet directly? I recently searched something else (the PLL numbers) on his site but just couldn't find it. Yes, I did let Excite translate it. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > and use the second applet on this page > > http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu-k/ > > i use it to practice both looking ahead, and sloving the f2l as fast > as possible > > i either do it on the 9 second for a challenge > > or the 21, and solve the pair that i messed up while doing it, and > the rest of the cube when im done

I believe he is talking about this applet <http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu- k/f2l_kiso/cross_white/41_all_t_rnd_15.html> I never knew about this before and it actually a pretty useful tool. Try it. --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Can you give us the URL of the applet directly? I recently searched > something else (the PLL numbers) on his site but just couldn't find > it. Yes, I did let Excite translate it. > > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > and use the second applet on this page > > > > http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu-k/ > > > > i use it to practice both looking ahead, and sloving the f2l as > fast > > as possible > > > > i either do it on the 9 second for a challenge > > > > or the 21, and solve the pair that i messed up while doing it, and > > the rest of the cube when im done

Thanks, that indeed looks cool. I've practiced a while with 15 seconds and have to admit quite often I can't do all four. But that will change, I swear :-) Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Sz..." <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > I believe he is talking about this applet > <http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu- > k/f2l_kiso/cross_white/41_all_t_rnd_15.html> > I never knew about this before and it actually a pretty useful tool. > Try it. > > --barefoot Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Can you give us the URL of the applet directly? I recently > searched > > something else (the PLL numbers) on his site but just couldn't > find > > it. Yes, I did let Excite translate it. > > > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" > > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > and use the second applet on this page > > > > > > http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu-k/ > > > > > > i use it to practice both looking ahead, and sloving the f2l as > > fast > > > as possible > > > > > > i either do it on the 9 second for a challenge > > > > > > or the 21, and solve the pair that i messed up while doing it, > and > > > the rest of the cube when im done

Hi Everyone, Vagabond Inn in Pasadena offers a discount to Caltech visitors. I believe it is $60 per night for a one bed room and $65 per night for a two bed room. Cubers traveling alone may want to pair up to save some money. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology I think I'd rather be blind than deaf. Blindness is like being in the dark all the time, but deafness is like being trapped on a planet full of mimes.

Hi everyone, If there is time at the end of the tournament, during the last block of "Open Event" time, if we have time, it will be possible to set official records for things such as supercubing and no inspection. If you have an idea, I have to know about it before hand so I can write official rules for it. There must be official rules if an event is to be attempted. Uh... thanks all folks. And if there's an event that I don't know really know much about, I'll probably be asking you to help me with the rules as well. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Book-burning is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to think of it as "English lit."

Hey everyone, To all of you going to the European Championships in Amsterdam this August, did you know that there is a Fewest Moves competition to compete in?! It would be a shame if you only competed in one or two events, and went out in the early stages, so why not give the FMC a try! Details and rules are available on the official website of Euro2004, which can be found by visiting www.speedcubing.com If you are thinking of going, but haven't registered, then you might want to consider taking part in the FMC! If you have already registered, then it is probably not too late to change your events. Good Luck! Dan Harris :) - www.cubestation.co.uk

I¡¦m slow with my upgrate pesonnel page. I looking for the timing my official paper Guinness. Speed calculation multiplication ??? X ??? while solve the cube no magic blindfold. My name is not in the Guinness book. Poor Guinness I don't wait and already long time ago. I wish my link at the japaneese club Akimoto Macky or Konishi before. I present 5x5x5 aluminium inventor M. Lapierre. The first 5x5x5 in the world. Do you see video cube moving? behind back blindfold fast in the public TV live ? another cubist is possible, I don't pretend the better cubist but I'm a magician. Easy at your home or movie film (fiction, fantastic or horror (great idee on the futur). Who is the pionner in the world?Magic fast blindfold. My video is no fun for you ? Who I never asked for a link. Only to Gilles Roux ( direct at the yahoo group french) 2004 and the French website are rare and it was in my link for a long time because he is good. Every true genius is bound to be naive. Friedrich von Schiller ƒº) I worked 5 years 40 hours per week for the people in the rolling chair for 0$. I had that 18 years! I'm a devil with the cube. $12000 I'm a robin wood:)) The trick with the cube is the TIME. Blindfold many minutes, fewest move many minutes or fast sub 20.The cube while juggle, roller caster or in the water is good too. I practiced children boy very hard. I¡¦m a lucky man for my original association with the cube and speedcalculation. I sing with my instrument sub 30 secondes is the good definition. Watch my picture profile yahoo group :)) mathematic rock progressif, me and Keith Emerson. Zubin mehta http://www.turandotonsite.com/Current/Bios/Metha.html love Emerson ¡§ tarkus album¡¨ and ¡§brain salad surgery album¡¨ Emerson virtuose born 1944 same Erno Rubik. Bob Moog inventor moog analogic first experience. My better compliment on the yahoo group english in my hard disk. Infinity Thx Cubocca1972 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cubacca1972 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I was referring to his blindfold method in which doing such a > method > > would screw with the edges and thus it would need to be considered > > The behind the back solves look impressive, but unless I see the > feat done in person, with a 3rd party scrambling an unfamiliar cube > (to avoid tactile cues from a familiar cube), I cannot dismiss the > possiblity that the feat is done with a pre set cube. > > There was some magician at the RWC who had a "mixed" cube and had > this trick where he asked me to do one more turn on the cube and > hand it back to him. He then asked me to pick a number, then > proceeded to do a behind the back "solve" of the cube in the same > number of turns as the number I picked. > > Impressive? Yes and no. The odd magician guy at the RWC pretty > much unscrambled the cube rather than solving it in a step by step > manner. I would guess that he has a rehearsed unscrambling alg of a > fixed number of moves, and a few holding pattern algs that he can > insert so that his total number of moves equaled my given number. > How do I know that he unscrambled the cube rather than solve it? > First of all, his cube was in horrendous condition, and felt like it > was lubed with pine tar. No self respecting cuber would stand for > using a crap cube like that. Secondly, There was no solving method > apparent. The cube was mixed then it was solved. No F2L, No layer > by layer, no Petrus, no corners first. I should have had him > attempt a regular solve on a real cube to confirm that the guy > probably doesn't know how to even solve the cube. > > Gaetan is actually solving the cube behind his back, and doing so > rather skillfuly. This is impressive even if it is rehearsed. > > On the other hand, if the feat is real and unrehearsed, then there > is no actual reason for anyone else to actually work on blindfold > solves, as it would be futile to try to do better than Gaetan. > > I understand that blindfold solving entails memorizing the position > and orientation of every cubie, executing a step, then reassessing > and memorizing the O/P of the cubies, doing another small step that > affects only a few cubies, reassessing and memorizing, and so on. > > Looking at Gaetan's videos, I see no evidence of this process. It > looks a lot to me like a straight solve. Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends. The 99 is not the fastest on the ice but is very fast and magic with the puck. Rubiks99

Only several more notes. To count exact number of algorithms in Waterman's method is quite difficult because each algorithm using (R) and (R)' symbols is a shortcut for more algorithms and should be learnt that way to get really fast in performing them... The original Waterman's description of "bad luck cases" and "complications" is too complicated and in fact can be handled simpler with less algorithms with the same efficiency. (about 4 + 2 algs) The algorithms mentioned in the previous message (see below) are not the most efficient (and this is true for more algs in the Waterman's method). You can use the following replacements (found by myself): U M (R) U' M U M' (R)' U' (instead of U2 (R) M U2 M' U M2 U (R)' U2) - shorter, without half moves U M' U' (R) U' M' U2 M2 U' (instead of U2 (R) U' M U2 M2 U' (R)' U2) - less half moves, only one (R) in alg., 1 more M turn, there is a hole in RU and not the flipped edge (!) In addition, I have found replacements for all algorithms that use F turns (hard to perform quickly) and now all algorithms use only U M R moves (!) and are of the same length or even shorter (except for one or two algs.) Josef > There are a total of 141 algs used in Waterman's method, provided > that you don't run into any complications. This total includes a > lot of mirrored algs. > > Roughly, the method involves the following steps: > > 1. solve one face > > 2. orient and permute the remaining corners (1 of 43 algs) > > Next, hold the solved face in your left hand, with the corners > solved in step 2 in the R face. The next steps are to solve the > right edge pieces (called "redges"), and orient all the middle edge > pieces (called "midges") in two algs. The M slice is referred to as > the "ring". > > 3. Solve 2 redges such that you leave 1 or 0 redges in the ring. > Do this by picking an alg which solves 1 redge in the ring and 1 in > the R face (1 of 6 algs), OR pick an alg which solves 2 redges in > the ring (1 of 6 algs) > > 4. Solve the last 2 redges, and orient all the midges in 1 alg. If > both redges are in the R face, then you have to pick 1 of 14 algs. > If one redge is in the R face, and one is in the ring, then pick one > of 48 algs. > > 5. solve the midges, 1 of 3 algs, which are trivial. > > additional algs are included to handle situations where one or more > redges are solved by the end of step 2. > > flip one redge and orient midges: 2 algs > > solve one redge in the ring and orient midges: 16 algs (8 algs and > their mirrors) > > if all redges are solved, orient midges: 3 algs > > I think that the algs from step 3 are borrowed from the algs in step > 4, but listed separately. > > In addition to this set of algs, there are additional components to > the system designed to handle ugly situations such as when you have > 3 or 4 redges cycled in the r face, or when you have all 4 redges in > the ring. > > If you can master all of the bad situations in addition to the basic > (!) system, you should be able to solve the R face and orient the M > slice in 2 algs or processes, no matter what. > > since you pretty much use only U, R, and M, you don't have to regrip > with your left hand too much (there are some algs with F moves). > > Here are a few example algs from step 3 to show the basic idea. Try > doing the inverse of the algs on a solved cube to set these up. > > To solve 2 redges in the ring, one at FU and one at FD (FU means > that the R facelet of the redge is on the F face as opposed to UF, > which puts the R facelet on the U face) , do this: > > U2 (R) M U2 M' U M2 U (R)' U2 > > When you execute this alg, the redge at FU will get placed in the > hole at RU, and the redge at FD will get placed in the hole in the R > face which is turned up to the RU position with the turn (R). (R)' > is just the inverse of whatever R move you did in (R). > > To solve 2 redges where one is in the ring at DF (R facelet of this > redge is in the D face), and one is in the correct hole in the R > face at the position RU but flipped, do this: > > U2 (R) U' M U2 M2 U' (R)' U2 > > in this case, the move (R) means turn the R face so that the hole > that the redge in the ring belongs to gets moved to the RU position. > > In any case its a neat but scary system. > > Lucas

Hey, you all! I am looking for a 4x4x4, but have not found one in stores. Is there anywhere you could get one, besides buying online? If no, then should I get one from rubiks.com? Thanks for all your help. Austin Chen

i don't know if you can buy one in stores but if your geting one online you should buy one at http://shoppingcart.mefferts.com/ because it's only $18.00 and shiping is free!

Can you give us the distance to the Vagabond Inn from Caltech? I'd like to know if I'll need to rent a car. Thanks. Jon Morris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Vagabond Inn in Pasadena offers a discount to Caltech visitors. I > believe it is $60 per night for a one bed room and $65 per night for a > two bed room. Cubers traveling alone may want to pair up to save some > money. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > I think I'd rather be blind than deaf. > Blindness is like being in the dark > all the time, but deafness is like > being trapped on a planet full of mimes.

It's about half a mile. You should have no need to rent a car. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology I just got an e-mail message with the subject line "Women love men who take the blue pill." Kind of makes that whole Matrix choice a lot easier. On May 6, 2004, at 1:15 PM, nascarjon2001 wrote: > Can you give us the distance to the Vagabond Inn from Caltech?� I'd > like to know if I'll need to rent a car.� Thanks. > > > Jon Morris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Vagabond Inn in Pasadena offers a discount to Caltech visitors.� I > > believe it is $60 per night for a one bed room and $65 per night > for a > > two bed room.� Cubers traveling alone may want to pair up to save > some > > money. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > >�� I think I'd rather be blind than deaf. > >�� Blindness is like being in the dark > >�� all the time, but deafness is like > >�� being trapped on a planet full of mimes. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, I did this for the Sunday blindfolded contest, and was too excited to wait until the results are posted before posting here. I just attempted a Division II solve for the first time (where only the time to solve counts). My time was 18.50 seconds! Basically what I did was to do exactly like my solve from a year and a half ago, where I solved using the Fridrich method in only one look, only this time I memorized the entire solution before I put on the blindfold. Anyway I caught this on video, and I am going to upload it as soon as I can get it onto my computer. It took me 1 hour 54 minutes 24 seconds total (you can see the stopwatch I used to time the whole thing in the video, as well as Jess Bonde's timer for timing the solve alone). The 1 hour and 54 minutes includes the time it took me to memorize the cube and plan out my entire solution. I used only the Fridrich method, none of my normal blindfolded strategies. This solve was done exactly like I would have done it had I been at a stackmat with only 15 seconds inspection. Watching Gaétan Guimond's videos of his behind the back solves are what inspired me to try this. I'm starting to develop an efficient process to this, and I think I can get my times under an hour and a half if I were to continue to practice this. Anyway I just wanted to say that I too have achieved a "behind the back" solve, and that it isn't impossible! It just takes 2 hours worth of memorizing for less than 20 seconds worth of solving :) Chris

Wow! That is amazing. I tried a while back to learn how to blindfold solve a cube but I can't keep the numbers straight in my head. Doug On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 16:34, cmhardw wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I did this for the Sunday blindfolded contest, and was too excited > to wait until the results are posted before posting here. > > I just attempted a Division II solve for the first time (where only > the time to solve counts). My time was 18.50 seconds! > > Basically what I did was to do exactly like my solve from a year and > a half ago, where I solved using the Fridrich method in only one > look, only this time I memorized the entire solution before I put on > the blindfold. > > Anyway I caught this on video, and I am going to upload it as soon > as I can get it onto my computer. > > It took me 1 hour 54 minutes 24 seconds total (you can see the > stopwatch I used to time the whole thing in the video, as well as > Jess Bonde's timer for timing the solve alone). The 1 hour and 54 > minutes includes the time it took me to memorize the cube and plan > out my entire solution. I used only the Fridrich method, none of my > normal blindfolded strategies. This solve was done exactly like I > would have done it had I been at a stackmat with only 15 seconds > inspection. > > Watching Ga�tan Guimond's videos of his behind the back solves are > what inspired me to try this. I'm starting to develop an efficient > process to this, and I think I can get my times under an hour and a > half if I were to continue to practice this. > > Anyway I just wanted to say that I too have achieved a "behind the > back" solve, and that it isn't impossible! It just takes 2 hours > worth of memorizing for less than 20 seconds worth of solving :) > > Chris > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

I saw one in barnes and noble book store here in State College Pennsylvania...So I'd assume all their stores probably have them at some point...they only did have the one, however, so if you can't find one in a B&N, ask a sales person and maybe they can help ya find where they're hiding them (= +Dave --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey, you all! > > I am looking for a 4x4x4, but have not found one in stores. Is > there anywhere you could get one, besides buying online? If no, > then should I get one from rubiks.com? Thanks for all your help. > > Austin Chen

Hi Chris, Congratulations! That is very, very cool. I thought maybe it could be done that way. It's nice to know it can. Thanks. David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I did this for the Sunday blindfolded contest, and was too excited > to wait until the results are posted before posting here. > > I just attempted a Division II solve for the first time (where only > the time to solve counts). My time was 18.50 seconds! > > Basically what I did was to do exactly like my solve from a year and > a half ago, where I solved using the Fridrich method in only one > look, only this time I memorized the entire solution before I put on > the blindfold. > > Anyway I caught this on video, and I am going to upload it as soon > as I can get it onto my computer. > > It took me 1 hour 54 minutes 24 seconds total (you can see the > stopwatch I used to time the whole thing in the video, as well as > Jess Bonde's timer for timing the solve alone). The 1 hour and 54 > minutes includes the time it took me to memorize the cube and plan > out my entire solution. I used only the Fridrich method, none of my > normal blindfolded strategies. This solve was done exactly like I > would have done it had I been at a stackmat with only 15 seconds > inspection. > > Watching Gaétan Guimond's videos of his behind the back solves are > what inspired me to try this. I'm starting to develop an efficient > process to this, and I think I can get my times under an hour and a > half if I were to continue to practice this. > > Anyway I just wanted to say that I too have achieved a "behind the > back" solve, and that it isn't impossible! It just takes 2 hours > worth of memorizing for less than 20 seconds worth of solving :) > > Chris

So that's how Gaetan does those videos...awesome, man! also- was calculation taken while memorization? interesting- it would only take around 50-60 moves, so calculating the whole thing is possible. also- when memorizing, did you memorize like you did b4 with the 'one look'- or did you memorize by numbers? or was memorization needed at all due to ur calculation?...good job. -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

wow, I dont know if this means anything coming from me, but congrats! -K- --- cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I did this for the Sunday blindfolded contest, and > was too excited > to wait until the results are posted before posting > here. > > I just attempted a Division II solve for the first > time (where only > the time to solve counts). My time was 18.50 > seconds! > > Basically what I did was to do exactly like my solve > from a year and > a half ago, where I solved using the Fridrich method > in only one > look, only this time I memorized the entire solution > before I put on > the blindfold. > > Anyway I caught this on video, and I am going to > upload it as soon > as I can get it onto my computer. > > It took me 1 hour 54 minutes 24 seconds total (you > can see the > stopwatch I used to time the whole thing in the > video, as well as > Jess Bonde's timer for timing the solve alone). The > 1 hour and 54 > minutes includes the time it took me to memorize the > cube and plan > out my entire solution. I used only the Fridrich > method, none of my > normal blindfolded strategies. This solve was done > exactly like I > would have done it had I been at a stackmat with > only 15 seconds > inspection. > > Watching Ga���tan Guimond's videos of his behind the > back solves are > what inspired me to try this. I'm starting to > develop an efficient > process to this, and I think I can get my times > under an hour and a > half if I were to continue to practice this. > > Anyway I just wanted to say that I too have achieved > a "behind the > back" solve, and that it isn't impossible! It just > takes 2 hours > worth of memorizing for less than 20 seconds worth > of solving :) > > Chris > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

I'm not sure how Gaetan does his attempts, but I would assume it would be something similar. Basically what I did was this: 1) after scrambling the cube I visually try to solve as much of the F2L as I can. This means either solving an extended cross or a double extended cross. You have virtually unlimited time so after a while you start to see some pretty good ways to approach it. For my 18.50 second solve I found a double extended cross after about 10 minutes of visual examination. Of course you can't do any moves, so you have to just follow all the pieces in your head. Once I found a potential way to solve an extended or double extended cross I verified for each piece that it would work by doing all the moves of my potential alg in my head, and tracking each piece one at a time (I do this for each piece in the double extended cross). Once I'm sure the move works and does indeed solve an extended or double extended cross, then I number all the remaining pieces of the cube. I give each piece a number on one of its stickers. This lets you simultaneously memorize the position and orientation of every piece, while still only memorizing one piece of information for each piece. I don't memorize any information for one top layer corner and one top layer edge, since after solving the F2L you can figure out their position and orientation based on where the other pieces are, and how they're oriented. Also this makes each step where you have to manipulate the pieces in your head much easier. 2) ok so at this point I have an algorithm memorized that will solve an extended or double extended cross. From here up until I am ready to time myself I don't need the cube at all, the rest is just mental calculation. Now what I do is repeat my extended cross alg in my head once for every remaining piece, and track where that piece ends up after doing the algorithm. After doing this for each piece I know the state the cube will be in after doing my extended cross algorithm. 3) Now I examine the state of the cube in my head and find the shortest way to solve the next corner/edge pair (finding the shortest one is very important as it makes the mental calculation easier). Once I find an alg to solve the next corner/edge pair I repeat that alg in my head once for every piece whose position/orientation I have memorized. By doing this I can find the state the cube will be in after solving the next corner edge pair. 4) Now I do the same thing for all remaining corner/edge pairs. I find an alg to solve one, then I repeat it for every remaining unsolved piece to find the state the cube will be in after solving that pair. 5) Now I've found an alg that solves the F2L and I know the state of the LL except for one corner and one edge (the ones I originally didn't memorize any information for). The positions of these pieces are easy to find simply by locating all 6 pieces whose positions I do know at this point. To find the orientation is easy, just remember that the flips of the edges have to be congruent to 0 mod 2 and the flips of the corners have to be congruent to 0 mod 3. Now I know the positions and orientation of every piece in the LL. 6) I figure out the orientation of all LL pieces, and recall my OLL algorithm to solve it. Then I repeat the OLL algorithm in my head 8 times, once for every piece, to track its location after doing my OLL alg. I also track all of their orientations, to verify that each piece does indeed end up oriented correctly. 7) Once I have all the pieces oriented, I examine their locations and recall my PLL algorithm to solve it. 8) Now I practice in my head the entire solution routine over and over. I do this on an "air cube" to pretend that I am actually doing the moves and so that my hands will be used to doing all the steps quickly. I did this for about 5 minutes for my solve. 9) Now I pick up the cube again for the first time in almost 2 hours, turn on the video camera, put on the blindfold and start solving :) I have the video on my computer but it is a huge file. I'm trying to shrink it down before I upload it to the internet. And that's how you do it :) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > So that's how Gaetan does those videos...awesome, man! also- was calculation taken while memorization? interesting- it would only take around 50-60 moves, so calculating the whole thing is possible. also- when memorizing, did you memorize like you did b4 with the 'one look'- or did you memorize by numbers? or was memorization needed at all due to ur calculation?...good job. > -bm > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey, you all! > > I am looking for a 4x4x4, but have not found one in stores. Is > there anywhere you could get one, besides buying online? If no, > then should I get one from rubiks.com? Thanks for all your help. > > Austin Chen My local Barnes & Nobel has them in stores. They're sitting on a little table labeled "Remember when..." Daniel

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Josef Jelinek" <gloom@e...> wrote: > Only several more notes..... > > The original Waterman's description of "bad luck cases" > and "complications" is too complicated and in fact can be > handled simpler with less algorithms with the same efficiency. > (about 4 + 2 algs) > > The algorithms mentioned in the previous message (see below) > are not the most efficient (and this is true for more algs > in the Waterman's method). You can use the following > replacements (found by myself): > > U M (R) U' M U M' (R)' U' > (instead of U2 (R) M U2 M' U M2 U (R)' U2) > - shorter, without half moves > > U M' U' (R) U' M' U2 M2 U' > (instead of U2 (R) U' M U2 M2 U' (R)' U2) > - less half moves, only one (R) in alg., 1 more M turn, > there is a hole in RU and not the flipped edge (!) > > In addition, I have found replacements for all algorithms > that use F turns (hard to perform quickly) and now > all algorithms use only U M R moves (!) and are of the > same length or even shorter (except for one or two algs.) > > Josef > Nicely done! I should have guessed that there was room for improvement with the original algs. On closer inspection of the algs in Waterman's method, I see that there are similar algs in table 4 which are similar to your second example: U M' U' (R) U' M' U2 M2 U'. Table 4, alg 17a: U M' U' (R) U M2 U2 M U This makes me wonder why they published Table 2 with less efficient algs borrowed from table 4 which accomplish the same thing! How many algs have you found which are more efficient for the method? I would love to see them. I am sort of glad that I never had the guts to try to master the original algs, given that I would have to spend a lot of time unlearning the algs with more efficient alternatives. Lucas

Hey everyone, Here's the video if you are interested. I didn't actually do it behind my back, however I was still blindfolded and unable to see the cube. Here's the URL, http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/3x3blindfold.wmv In the video I have already been memorizing the cube for 1 hour and 54 minutes. I then put on the blindfold, start Jess' timer and solve it, then stop Jess' timer. I show Jess' timer, which was only timing how long it took me to solve the cube. I then lift up my stopwatch (very dark) to show how long the whole thing took. The stopwatch is still counting and hits 1 hour 54 minutes 24 seconds when it is on camera. Sorry the stopwatch didn't come out so well. Enjoy, Chris

Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I do know that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a couple of video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. From the Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a cycle in the top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? Wayne

Not sure people understood you question including me. Anyway, I am trying to answer. Yes, it's possible. Contestants in Fewest Moves Challenge usually include an explanation of how the solution was put together. Try to follow these explanations. Did this answer your question? Mirek --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > I wish popularity for challenge fewest move. I dream the algorythm > god program with Dan Harris. Exemple 17 moves program and Goljan > solve 25 moves= + 8 moves for Goljan. Ex: Next week 21 moves > program and Petrus or Goljan :)) solve 26 moves= + 5 moves excellent > information for the cubist no? And good looking challenge? Give me > your opinion please? Is possible ? > > Gaétan

What is the Varasano method? Is it another cf method? jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I do know > that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a couple of > video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. From the > Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a cycle in the > top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > > Wayne

Congrats! That's excellent! But what is a "double extended cross"? Will you post your solution alg when the results are public? Oh, and about the video: You looked very excited ;-) Cheers! Stefan

Yes it's a corners first method whereas the top and bottom corners are first oriented(made one color), then permuted together. I don't know exactly how David & Gene are solving the corners, but I have the book on the Varasano method and they have to be using a more accelerated method for solving the edges. I can't imagine anyone getting sub-20 times solving them as shown in the book. Wayne --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth <no_reply@y...> wrote: > What is the Varasano method? Is it another cf method? > > jake > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" > <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > > Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I do > know > > that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a couple > of > > video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. From > the > > Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a cycle in > the > > top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > > > > Wayne

I think the Varasano method is in the book "Conquer the Cube." David Allen is kinda secretive about his method, or so I've heard. But he has said it's based on the Varasano method. Like Wayne said, it's probably impossible to get sub-20 average using the books solution for the edges. > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > What is the Varasano method? Is it another cf method? > > > > jake > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" > > <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > > > Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I do > > know > > > that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a couple > > of > > > video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. >From > > the > > > Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a cycle in > > the > > > top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > > > > > > Wayne

> But what is a "double extended cross"? Will you post your solution > alg when the results are public? Nevermind, found it (in the speedcubing.com records, just in case somebody else wondered, too).

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I just attempted a Division II solve for the first time (where only > the time to solve counts). My time was 18.50 seconds! I just watched the video. It is awesome! Congraturaltions! What's next? Masayuki

Interesting, I came up with the same method for corners two decades ago, not knowing it was Varasano method. Who is Varasano? I sticked to Fridrich method, though, because it didn't seem I would be faster than 20 sec with corners first. Mirek --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I think the Varasano method is in the book "Conquer the Cube." > David Allen is kinda secretive about his method, or so I've heard. > But he has said it's based on the Varasano method. Like Wayne said, > it's probably impossible to get sub-20 average using the books > solution for the edges. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > What is the Varasano method? Is it another cf method? > > > > > > jake > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" > > > <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > > > > Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I do > > > know > > > > that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a > couple > > > of > > > > video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. > From > > > the > > > > Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a cycle > in > > > the > > > > top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > > > > > > > > Wayne

Good choice, Mirek :) > I sticked to Fridrich method, though, because it didn't seem I would > be faster than 20 sec with corners first. > Mirek

David Allen's finger tricks were insane... he told me they had 0 of their method online or pusblished, but i imagine it is intense stuff. i saw him do a 12 like nothing.... but so did Ron in his seat waiting to be called up ;) -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

David Allen's finger tricks were insane... he told me they had 0 of their method online or pusblished, but i imagine it is intense stuff. i saw him do a 12 like nothing.... but so did Ron in his seat waiting to be called up ;) -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, apparently David /averages/ <14 seconds. In an interview he had, I overheard him saying that he had broken 10 seconds several times. But I don't know if they were lucky or not, or what.... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > David Allen's finger tricks were insane... he told me they had 0 of their method online or pusblished, but i imagine it is intense stuff. i saw him do a 12 like nothing.... but so did Ron in his seat waiting to be called up ;) > -bm > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I found some nice old Rubik's Newsletters I think you like the story they tell http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/ Ton

im doing a project on the history of the rubik's cube... does anyone know some places to get some information? ive got some good stuff from the main rubik's page, but if anyone knows any history about mr rubik himself, posting would be greatly appreciated. thanks. -cubekid

> Yeah, apparently David /averages/ <14 seconds. In an interview he > had, I overheard him saying that he had broken 10 seconds several > times. But I don't know if they were lucky or not, or what.... Yes, but I was chatting with Gene Means and he told me that He and David require much more inspection time than was allowed. They do quite a bit more planning ahead before the solve. Jon

I have some info and links on my site http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/rubik's.htm Ton --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gotsoup420" <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > im doing a project on the history of the rubik's cube... does anyone > know some places to get some information? ive got some good stuff > from the main rubik's page, but if anyone knows any history about mr > rubik himself, posting would be greatly appreciated. thanks. > > -cubekid

hey, if you need anymore info email me because my friend's uncle is Minh Thai. Ive never met the guy but i could ask for you. By the way, my friend is Yinja Qiu. -Richard --- turnthatcube <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have some info and links on my site > > http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/rubik's.htm > > Ton > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "gotsoup420" > <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > > im doing a project on the history of the rubik's > cube... does > anyone > > know some places to get some information? ive got > some good stuff > > from the main rubik's page, but if anyone knows > any history about > mr > > rubik himself, posting would be greatly > appreciated. thanks. > > > > -cubekid > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Hey, Thanks for the wonderful page Ton! The newsletters are really cool. Interesting to see that the editor Tom Parks suggests preparing a cube with "a thin coat of vaseline", I'm not so sure that's what would be recommended these days! Take care, Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, turnthatcube <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I found some nice old Rubik's Newsletters > > I think you like the story they tell > > http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/ > > Ton

Jeff Varasano competed against Minh Thai in the first US National Championship in 1981. He came in second so Minh Thai went on to the World Championship. Jeff authored the book "Conquer the Cube in 45 seconds". --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mirek_goljan" <goljan@s...> wrote: > Interesting, I came up with the same method for corners two decades > ago, not knowing it was Varasano method. Who is Varasano? > I sticked to Fridrich method, though, because it didn't seem I would > be faster than 20 sec with corners first. > Mirek > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" > <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > I think the Varasano method is in the book "Conquer the Cube." > > David Allen is kinda secretive about his method, or so I've heard. > > But he has said it's based on the Varasano method. Like Wayne > said, > > it's probably impossible to get sub-20 average using the books > > solution for the edges. > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, j_rueth > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > What is the Varasano method? Is it another cf method? > > > > > > > > jake > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" > > > > <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > > > > > Can anyone here shine any light on David Allen's method. I > do > > > > know > > > > > that he uses a hybrid of the Varasano method. I've seen a > > couple > > > > of > > > > > video clips but it's hard to tell how he solves the edges. > > From > > > > the > > > > > Gene means clip, it appeared that he finished up with a > cycle > > in > > > > the > > > > > top face. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > > > > > > > > > > Wayne

Do you know how much more? Or their times with 15 seconds inspection or without inspection? Cheers! Stefan > Yes, but I was chatting with Gene Means and he told me that He and > David require much more inspection time than was allowed. They do > quite a bit more planning ahead before the solve. > > Jon

I'd like to see exactly what everyone is talking about.

You are probably right Jessica, there are tons of folks who swear by your method :) Wayne --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jessica Fridrich" <Jess340@h...> wrote: > Good choice, Mirek :) > > > I sticked to Fridrich method, though, because it didn't seem I > would > > be faster than 20 sec with corners first. > > Mirek

Whats going on!? the first 9 records on the database are ridiculously low. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Someone might have some home videos from the WC. But you can get the documentary 'Minds Behind Cubing,' when it comes out, he's probably in it a lot. Speaking of which.... Anyone heard anything about this? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I'd like to see exactly what everyone is talking about.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > Whats going on!? > the first 9 records on the database are ridiculously > low. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover im wondering about that too, im supposed to be in the top 2 or 3(i dont know if qunn lewis actually did that time and im sure macky can destroy my time) b/c unlike the times before me, i actually did my solve josh

thanks, that's exactly what i was looking for. -cubekid turnthatcube <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have some info and links on my site http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/rubik's.htm Ton --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gotsoup420" <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > im doing a project on the history of the rubik's cube... does anyone > know some places to get some information? ive got some good stuff > from the main rubik's page, but if anyone knows any history about mr > rubik himself, posting would be greatly appreciated. thanks. > > -cubekid Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

People accidentally hit the spacebar to accept and dont want to reset their times. Doug hubexe wrote: >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> >wrote: > > >>Whats going on!? >>the first 9 records on the database are ridiculously >>low. >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >>http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover >> >> > >im wondering about that too, im supposed to be in the top 2 or 3(i dont know if qunn >lewis actually did that time and im sure macky can destroy my time) b/c unlike the times >before me, i actually did my solve > >josh > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

i explained myself in my profile -richard --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > Whats going on!? > the first 9 records on the database are ridiculously > low. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

its not the point, these records can be deleted can't they, separately from the accounts? there is no reason, I think, that records like that should be still up....This must just be me. My site (www.cubehead.org) allows for me to delete records (and the record holders to do so as well) apart from deleting entire accounts. -K- --- richard wang <aznneo88@...> wrote: > i explained myself in my profile > > -richard > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > > Whats going on!? > > the first 9 records on the database are > ridiculously > > low. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

where can i get an arxon cube or any cube besides the rubiks.com and studio one --- turnthatcube <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tay > Di-Hong" > <ditrix88@h...> wrote: > > hi all, > > is there such a thing as different original 3x3x3 > cubes? > > cos i had a feeling that some of those cubes i saw > in videos were > > different > > if there is, how are they different and which is > better? > > thanks > > There are many original 3x3x3 cubes type just look > at my collection. > The ones normally used for speedcubing are > > Rubiks.com cube > Rubiks Studio cube > Arxon Rubik's cube > Deluxe Rubik's cube > Arched Rubik's cube > > Which one is better? This depends on your style. I > prefer the Arxon > type then the Rubiks Studio cube. > Others prefer Rubik's.com cube. So you can choice, > the most important > is that it must be smooth and stable. > > Ton > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Kyle Bryant wrote: >its not the point, these records can be deleted can't >they, separately from the accounts? there is no > > No, I don't think they can. I might be mistaken. Doug >reason, I think, that records like that should be >still up....This must just be me. My site >(www.cubehead.org) allows for me to delete records >(and the record holders to do so as well) apart from >deleting entire accounts. >-K- >--- richard wang <aznneo88@...> wrote: > > >>i explained myself in my profile >> >>-richard >>--- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: >> >> >>>Whats going on!? >>>the first 9 records on the database are >>> >>> >>ridiculously >> >> >>>low. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >>> >>> >>> >>http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >>http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover >> >> >>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >> >>speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

hi, i'm billy crane.the one at the top of the list. that time i entered was an accedent. noboby can go that fast. Probably it was the same for other people.

Well, why don't you just reset your times? at a certain point you'll have to do that cuz you'll start to get some sub 30 times (or even sub 20), but you overall average will stay at one minute something. Well, that's just my point of view, but just do what you think... François speedster0909 <speedster0909@...> wrote: hi, i'm billy crane.the one at the top of the list. that time i entered was an accedent. noboby can go that fast. Probably it was the same for other people. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Exactly. It happened to me a while back, but I was only #3 for about 15 minutes. Long enough to show my friends, but not long enough to cause a major riff. And yea, I did reset my times. Doug Fran�ois SECHET wrote: >Well, why don't you just reset your times? at a certain point you'll have to do that cuz you'll start to get some sub 30 times (or even sub 20), but you overall average will stay at one minute something. Well, that's just my point of view, but just do what you think... >Fran�ois > >speedster0909 <speedster0909@...> wrote: >hi, i'm billy crane.the one at the top of the list. that time i >entered was an accedent. noboby can go that fast. Probably it was >the same for other people. > > >Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! >Cr�ez votre Yahoo! Mail > >Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis gr�ce � Yahoo! Messenger ! > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

I just thought about this and had an idea: Why not modify Fridrich (the method, not the person ;-) a bit? What I mean is to not solve the first layer correctly at first. Do F2L Fridrich-style but don't care about permutation and orientation inside the first layer. Then follow F2L with an OFL and PFL and then of course OLL and PLL. This would allow a shorter and easier F2L which might make planning ahead the whole solution easier/safer/faster. Also, execution of the planned solution would still be quite fast. If you really ignore permutation and orientation of the first layer then of course you only have a 1/12 chance that OFL/PFL works. But taking care of orientation is very simple (e.g. corners orientation with last CE pair during F2L, edges orientation during cross) which leaves a 1/2 chance because of permutation. Either you're lucky or you do it with the last two CE pairs or you apply a fixing alg between U and D sometime during the solution. What do you think? Cheers! Stefan

I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? tomahawk --

It's great. But real hard work Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > tomahawk > > --

Yes he does. In the 2003 World Championships he had problems in the last round, because five corners were disoriented. Does anyone know if he solves the edges in pairs ? > >Wayne > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

It is the F2L layer optimized to the extreem. It is a lot of work to master, especially for someone like me, I need many hours before I can use a finger trick at high speed. But with this method an average below 15 seconds must be possible Ton --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > It's great. But real hard work > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > > > tomahawk > > > > --

this is messed up, reset ur times folks...its not hard to do.... -K- --- Doug Reed <dougreed@...> wrote: > Exactly. > > It happened to me a while back, but I was only #3 > for about 15 minutes. > Long enough to show my friends, but not long enough > to cause a major > riff. And yea, I did reset my times. > > Doug > > Fran���ois SECHET wrote: > > >Well, why don't you just reset your times? at a > certain point you'll have to do that cuz you'll > start to get some sub 30 times (or even sub 20), but > you overall average will stay at one minute > something. Well, that's just my point of view, but > just do what you think... > >Fran���ois > > > >speedster0909 <speedster0909@...> wrote: > >hi, i'm billy crane.the one at the top of the list. > that time i > >entered was an accedent. noboby can go that fast. > Probably it was > >the same for other people. > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > >speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui > vous suit partout ! > >Cr���ez votre Yahoo! Mail > > > >Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis gr���ce ��� Yahoo! > Messenger ! > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > tomahawk > > -- IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for now........ but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have double size!! nikox

You are the human computer algorythm. You are excellent! My experience 2x2x2 with Richard Korf (rechearh algorythm god program)is special. 9 in 7 "yes Gaétan" After my step 1 don't use quater turn on F, B, L and R dooble turn move only. Ex: cubestion 7 may B2 F' L2 U R (D2 U' B)*3 (L2 D' R)*3 F B U2 L D2 my solution is UFRBR2D2F2D'F2D' step 1 all orient UFRB step 2 I don't use quarter turn F, B, L and R dooble turn move only R2D2F2D'F2D'. My average cubestation on 2x2x2 is 9 move. What your average time on rubik's cube sub 7-8 move scramble no sequence opposite face? Another method fast 2x2x2 by 2 step is not the best system fewest move for me and you? Email me Magic fun Gaétan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mirek_goljan" <goljan@s...> wrote: > Not sure people understood you question including me. > Anyway, I am trying to answer. > Yes, it's possible. Contestants in Fewest Moves Challenge usually > include an explanation of how the solution was put together. > Try to follow these explanations. > Did this answer your question? > Mirek > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond > <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > > I wish popularity for challenge fewest move. I dream the algorythm > > god program with Dan Harris. Exemple 17 moves program and Goljan > > solve 25 moves= + 8 moves for Goljan. Ex: Next week 21 moves > > program and Petrus or Goljan :)) solve 26 moves= + 5 moves > excellent > > information for the cubist no? And good looking challenge? Give > me > > your opinion please? Is possible ? > > > > Gaétan

You are incredible! I give each piece a number on one of its stickers long time ago. I give 6 stickers number on my 2x2x2 now, 1,2,3 and 1,2,3 and opposite diagonal face. thx for you personnel email. I work my english for U this week. best regard Gaétan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I'm not sure how Gaetan does his attempts, but I would assume it > would be something similar. > > Basically what I did was this: > > 1) after scrambling the cube I visually try to solve as much of the > F2L as I can. This means either solving an extended cross or a > double extended cross. You have virtually unlimited time so after a > while you start to see some pretty good ways to approach it. For my > 18.50 second solve I found a double extended cross after about 10 > minutes of visual examination. Of course you can't do any moves, so > you have to just follow all the pieces in your head. > > Once I found a potential way to solve an extended or double extended > cross I verified for each piece that it would work by doing all the > moves of my potential alg in my head, and tracking each piece one at > a time (I do this for each piece in the double extended cross). > Once I'm sure the move works and does indeed solve an extended or > double extended cross, then I number all the remaining pieces of the > cube. > > I give each piece a number on one of its stickers. This lets you > simultaneously memorize the position and orientation of every piece, > while still only memorizing one piece of information for each piece. > > I don't memorize any information for one top layer corner and one > top layer edge, since after solving the F2L you can figure out their > position and orientation based on where the other pieces are, and > how they're oriented. Also this makes each step where you have to > manipulate the pieces in your head much easier. > > 2) ok so at this point I have an algorithm memorized that will solve > an extended or double extended cross. From here up until I am ready > to time myself I don't need the cube at all, the rest is just mental > calculation. Now what I do is repeat my extended cross alg in my > head once for every remaining piece, and track where that piece ends > up after doing the algorithm. After doing this for each piece I > know the state the cube will be in after doing my extended cross > algorithm. > > 3) Now I examine the state of the cube in my head and find the > shortest way to solve the next corner/edge pair (finding the > shortest one is very important as it makes the mental calculation > easier). Once I find an alg to solve the next corner/edge pair I > repeat that alg in my head once for every piece whose > position/orientation I have memorized. By doing this I can find the > state the cube will be in after solving the next corner edge pair. > > 4) Now I do the same thing for all remaining corner/edge pairs. I > find an alg to solve one, then I repeat it for every remaining > unsolved piece to find the state the cube will be in after solving > that pair. > > 5) Now I've found an alg that solves the F2L and I know the state of > the LL except for one corner and one edge (the ones I originally > didn't memorize any information for). The positions of these pieces > are easy to find simply by locating all 6 pieces whose positions I > do know at this point. To find the orientation is easy, just > remember that the flips of the edges have to be congruent to 0 mod 2 > and the flips of the corners have to be congruent to 0 mod 3. Now I > know the positions and orientation of every piece in the LL. > > 6) I figure out the orientation of all LL pieces, and recall my OLL > algorithm to solve it. Then I repeat the OLL algorithm in my head 8 > times, once for every piece, to track its location after doing my > OLL alg. I also track all of their orientations, to verify that > each piece does indeed end up oriented correctly. > > 7) Once I have all the pieces oriented, I examine their locations > and recall my PLL algorithm to solve it. > > 8) Now I practice in my head the entire solution routine over and > over. I do this on an "air cube" to pretend that I am actually > doing the moves and so that my hands will be used to doing all the > steps quickly. I did this for about 5 minutes for my solve. > > 9) Now I pick up the cube again for the first time in almost 2 > hours, turn on the video camera, put on the blindfold and start > solving :) > > I have the video on my computer but it is a huge file. I'm trying > to shrink it down before I upload it to the internet. > > And that's how you do it :) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan > <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > > > So that's how Gaetan does those videos...awesome, man! also- was > calculation taken while memorization? interesting- it would only > take around 50-60 moves, so calculating the whole thing is > possible. also- when memorizing, did you memorize like you did b4 > with the 'one look'- or did you memorize by numbers? or was > memorization needed at all due to ur calculation?...good job. > > -bm > > > > > > > > :) > > --Brent > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes your answer is good. My distraction! Thx > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mirek_goljan" > <goljan@s...> wrote: > > Not sure people understood you question including me. > > Anyway, I am trying to answer. > > Yes, it's possible. Contestants in Fewest Moves Challenge usually > > include an explanation of how the solution was put together. > > Try to follow these explanations. > > Did this answer your question? > > Mirek > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond > > <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > > > I wish popularity for challenge fewest move. I dream the > algorythm > > > god program with Dan Harris. Exemple 17 moves program and Goljan > > > solve 25 moves= + 8 moves for Goljan. Ex: Next week 21 moves > > > program and Petrus or Goljan :)) solve 26 moves= + 5 moves > > excellent > > > information for the cubist no? And good looking challenge? Give > > me > > > your opinion please? Is possible ? > > > > > > Gaétan

Impossible? lol...no...not quite. perhaps it is ambitious, but not impossible. There are people that have memorized the entire bible. This is a feat that measures as impossible in my mind. But still people do it. Or people that memorize pi to thousands of decimal places. Anyway... As often as I can I work on putting this method into a visual standpoint on my website. There is still much work to be done, and maybe when I find the free time I will finish it. http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/ZBmethod.html -Richard --- nviennefr <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Tomasz Piotrowski > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem > method?? > > > > tomahawk > > > > -- > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for > now........ > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will > have double > size!! > > nikox > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Hello! I am an intermediate cuber with an average around 60 seconds. My long-term goal is to get sub-20 seconds, of course, but I am looking for something else to play with when I'm not memorizing more algs or looking at new finger tricks. Right now, I have two puzzles in mind. The first is the Square-1, which appeals to me because it is very different from the 3x3x3. The other is the 4x4x4, which I want to learn how to solve eventually. Which one do you think I should get first? Thanks for your input, Austin Chen

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hey, anyone know where i can get a 1980s cube made in hungary by ideal toy company besides ebay -richard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hello! > > I am an intermediate cuber with an average around 60 seconds. My > long-term goal is to get sub-20 seconds, of course, but I am looking > for something else to play with when I'm not memorizing more algs or > looking at new finger tricks. > > Right now, I have two puzzles in mind. The first is the Square-1, > which appeals to me because it is very different from the 3x3x3. > The other is the 4x4x4, which I want to learn how to solve > eventually. > > Which one do you think I should get first? Thanks for your input, > > Austin Chen Austin, I like them both, but honestly my 4x4x4 gets more use. The square- 1 is challenging and an interesting solve for sure, but it loses something after a while because it's very hard to randomly mix it up. That is, I start seeing certain things I want to "mix more" while I'm mixing it since it's a much more involved task than scrambling a symmetrical puzzle. That said though, the 4x4x4 is somewhat of an exercise of "more of the same." If you haven't ever played with a bigger than 3x3x3 cube, it's challenging and fun to figure out your own solution, but not quite as challenging to figure out a solution as the square-1 is. I hope I've made some sense and helped out a little! I say go for the 4x4x4, but you'll likely be happy with either! Best, Daniel

Hi all I just wanted to share that I tried out the concentration game tonight for the first time, and I already dropped my time to the astonishing (at least to me) 11.86!! oh yeah... Now let's try to go sub 10 As far as cubing goes, I really need something to speed up. I am sooo slow (avg 23). Michiel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

4x4x4 is awesome. not very hard to learn, if you know the 3x3x3. and a very durable and fun puzzle. although never tried a square 1 before.... ehh either is fine, but more chances to do 4x4x4 at competitions. -cubekid stradivariuscuber <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello! I am an intermediate cuber with an average around 60 seconds. My long-term goal is to get sub-20 seconds, of course, but I am looking for something else to play with when I'm not memorizing more algs or looking at new finger tricks. Right now, I have two puzzles in mind. The first is the Square-1, which appeals to me because it is very different from the 3x3x3. The other is the 4x4x4, which I want to learn how to solve eventually. Which one do you think I should get first? Thanks for your input, Austin Chen Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, richard wang <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > hey, anyone know where i can get a 1980s cube made in > hungary by ideal toy company besides ebay > > -richard Try http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/buy1.htm DJ

At someone's request, I went through the process of counting moves, and seeing how much time of my solution for the megaminx is spent in each phase of the solution. I've added the results of this to my megaminx solution page. Here's a direct link to the new content on the page: http://Grant.Tregay.net/cube/solutions/megaminx/index.html#2004-May-11 Any comments and/or questions would be appreciated! - Grant

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Tregay" <Grant@T...> wrote: > At someone's request, I went through the process of counting moves, > and seeing how much time of my solution for the megaminx is spent in > each phase of the solution. I've added the results of this to my > megaminx solution page. Here's a direct link to the new content on > the page: > http://Grant.Tregay.net/cube/solutions/megaminx/index.html#2004-May- 11 > > Any comments and/or questions would be appreciated! > > - Grant I did the same thing and it looks like I'm averaging closer to 205 moves. That's for 12 solves though. I haven't calculated how long it takes me to do each step yet. I have an excell spreadsheet with all of the move numbers broken down though. Daniel

Wow, That actualy helps out alot. I can't wait to play with my minx! I forgot it at home home :( jake

Thnx alot, I'll go with the 4x4x4. Austin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I am an intermediate cuber with an average around 60 seconds. My > > long-term goal is to get sub-20 seconds, of course, but I am > looking > > for something else to play with when I'm not memorizing more algs > or > > looking at new finger tricks. > > > > Right now, I have two puzzles in mind. The first is the Square- 1, > > which appeals to me because it is very different from the 3x3x3. > > The other is the 4x4x4, which I want to learn how to solve > > eventually. > > > > Which one do you think I should get first? Thanks for your input, > > > > Austin Chen > > Austin, > I like them both, but honestly my 4x4x4 gets more use. The square- > 1 is challenging and an interesting solve for sure, but it loses > something after a while because it's very hard to randomly mix it > up. That is, I start seeing certain things I want to "mix more" > while I'm mixing it since it's a much more involved task than > scrambling a symmetrical puzzle. > That said though, the 4x4x4 is somewhat of an exercise of "more of > the same." If you haven't ever played with a bigger than 3x3x3 cube, > it's challenging and fun to figure out your own solution, but not > quite as challenging to figure out a solution as the square-1 is. > > I hope I've made some sense and helped out a little! I say go for > the 4x4x4, but you'll likely be happy with either! > > Best, > Daniel

Hi Guys and Gals, Well I got myself a new cube again (3x3x3), but this time I bought five just in case I do something dumb again. Anyway my time is back up to the high 90� s down to the low 70�s averaging this morning 1:25.19 doing as fast as 1:11.13, I hope I can do sub-60�s after about a week of having no cube at hand.

Welcome back, unfortunatly I have to stop cubing too because lots of my stickers nearly lost all of their colors.

Tell me what you think guys. If you have any imput or questions...e- mail me at JwillywonkaS@.... 1: Build a 1x2x3 anywhere, and move it to the LDFB side 2: Build opposing 1x2x3 3: Orient centers, then place DF and Orient Remaining Edges (54 algs) 4: Place DB and orient corners (35) 5: Permute LL (21) Tell me if this is plausible, or any reactions. Thanks, Joey Spadafora

I'm not positive, but I think Gilles Roux invented a method very similar to this one. And if my memory proves correct, he averages sub-20 with it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jwillywonkas" <jwillywonkas@y...> wrote: > Tell me what you think guys. If you have any imput or questions...e- > mail me at JwillywonkaS@h... > > > 1: Build a 1x2x3 anywhere, and move it to the LDFB side > 2: Build opposing 1x2x3 > 3: Orient centers, then place DF and Orient Remaining Edges (54 algs) > 4: Place DB and orient corners (35) > 5: Permute LL (21) > > Tell me if this is plausible, or any reactions. > > Thanks, > Joey Spadafora

Hey guys! Sunil posting again, this time I have a question. I currently have a few oddzon 3x3x3's, and i changed their stickers a couple times and quite frankly I'm getting ridiculously frustrated by them. Do any of your knowledgeable people know where I can get some tiles? I was going to order from Mefferts, but I have no use for another cube...So I was wondering if there were any other places where I can get just the tiles? Any response would be great help, thank you very much all! -Sunil

Gilles Roulx's method is very similar, after building the 2 1x2x3, he orients + permutates the upper corners. After he places 1 edge of the layer, orient middle edges + place last layer edge. Permutate middle edges.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I'm not positive, but I think Gilles Roux invented a method very > similar to this one. And if my memory proves correct, he averages > sub-20 with it. On my sofa only ;-) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jwillywonkas" > <jwillywonkas@y...> wrote: > > Tell me what you think guys. If you have any imput or > questions...e- > > mail me at JwillywonkaS@h... > > > > > > 1: Build a 1x2x3 anywhere, and move it to the LDFB side > > 2: Build opposing 1x2x3 > > 3: Orient centers, then place DF and Orient Remaining Edges (54 > algs) > > 4: Place DB and orient corners (35) > > 5: Permute LL (21) > > > > Tell me if this is plausible, or any reactions. > > > > Thanks, > > Joey Spadafora Another idea: 1: 1x2x3 2: 1x2x3 3: Orientation of 4 corners, 6 edges and 4 centers. 4: Permutation of 4 corners, 6 edges. Step 3 looks difficult, but a simple "M" or "UM" before could reduce the number of cases drastically. It looks like an OLL step with more freedom and additional sequences. Solve centers+DF+DB before when it's easy. Step 4... well... I don't know, but it looks possible. I won't even try to think about it, because it requires to many sequences for me, but maybe mad people like the ZB brothers... ;-) Gilles.

On Tue, 11 May 2004, nviennefr wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > > > tomahawk > > > > -- > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for now........ > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have double > size!! > > nikox > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself but obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of optimized algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one. --

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" > <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > I'm not positive, but I think Gilles Roux invented a method very > > similar to this one. And if my memory proves correct, he averages > > sub-20 with it. > > On my sofa only ;-) > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jwillywonkas" > > <jwillywonkas@y...> wrote: > > > Tell me what you think guys. If you have any imput or > > questions...e- > > > mail me at JwillywonkaS@h... > > > > > > > > > 1: Build a 1x2x3 anywhere, and move it to the LDFB side > > > 2: Build opposing 1x2x3 > > > 3: Orient centers, then place DF and Orient Remaining Edges (54 > > algs) > > > 4: Place DB and orient corners (35) > > > 5: Permute LL (21) > > > > > > Tell me if this is plausible, or any reactions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Joey Spadafora > > > Another idea: > > 1: 1x2x3 > 2: 1x2x3 > 3: Orientation of 4 corners, 6 edges and 4 centers. > 4: Permutation of 4 corners, 6 edges. > > Step 3 looks difficult, but a simple "M" or "UM" before could reduce > the number of cases drastically. It looks like an OLL step with more > freedom and additional sequences. Solve centers+DF+DB before when it's > easy. > Step 4... well... I don't know, but it looks possible. > > I won't even try to think about it, because it requires to many > sequences for me, but maybe mad people like the ZB brothers... ;-) > > Gilles. I know this is a lot like Gilles' method, and I've actually talked to him a few times about different ideas based on his method. I'm not sure, but depending on how the algoritms are for this method, I think it could be quite fast. We'll see though. Thanks to all those who answered.

Hi, z-b is the one that does the last edge corner pair and orients the LL edges isn't it? I'm not sure how beneficial the extra effort will be. For comparison with my method (I'll refer to it as the DD method) I put in the "cross and one corner" first. I then do the remaining 3 corner edge pairs leaving me with one middle edge. (Actually I use the keyhole method but in principle and for comparison its simplest to stick with the Fridrich pair moves). I do the final middle edge and at the same time orient not only the LL edges but one corner. This is the "z-b like" part. This only needs 24 algorithms at an average of between 8 and 9 moves per algorithm. You are left with a 1 in 9 chance of a one look last layer with 4 OLL algorithms at an average of 8 moves if the last layer needs orienting. Compared to Fridrich, DD loses 0-2 moves by doing "cross + 1 corner" then on average another one move in the "z-b like" part - putting in the middle edge while orienting edges and 1 corner. It gains 2 moves on average on OLL but then there is the big bonus of the 1-in-9 chance of a 1 look LL. All in all I would say there isn't much to choose between DD and Fridrich and I would guess the same is true of z-b. The other big bonus of my method is that by learning the 24 algorithms for the last middle edge you cut down the number of OLL algorithms to learn to 4! And of course its pretty quick to recognise the 8 possible LL corner orientations too. It still looks very hard to expand either the middle edge algorithms to orient more or the PLL algorithms to cover corner orientation and get down to 1 look :(. Unless either my approach or z-b can be used to cut out a whole step i.e. get down to a one look LL then I wouldn't recommend spending time switching from Fridrich unless you really think the probabilities of the one look (1/9 or 1/16?) are worth all the extra effort. Obviously I'm biased and like DD best (and it has the fewest algorithms) but I would have to say that there are such good sites out there teaching Fridrich that I think its probably the easiest of the fast methods to learn at the moment. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomasz Piotrowski" <tomahawk@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: z-b > On Tue, 11 May 2004, nviennefr wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski > > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > > > > > tomahawk > > > > > > -- > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for now........ > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have double > > size!! > > > > nikox > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself but > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of optimized > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one. > > -- > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I would "stick" with stickers, because no matter how frustrating they are, tiles are only likely to get you lazy since you have less work to do to know where colors are while solving....just my two cents. -K- --- h4m573r1 <saiyanprince199@...> wrote: > Hey guys! > Sunil posting again, this time I have a > question. I currently > have a few oddzon 3x3x3's, and i changed their > stickers a couple > times and quite frankly I'm getting ridiculously > frustrated by them. > Do any of your knowledgeable people know where I can > get some tiles? > I was going to order from Mefferts, but I have no > use for another > cube...So I was wondering if there were any other > places where I can > get just the tiles? Any response would be great > help, thank you very > much all! > -Sunil > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861

And, in an official competition, you HAVE to use stickers. So if you get used to tiles, then suddenly switch for the big day, it'll mess with your mind. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > I would "stick" with stickers, because no matter how > frustrating they are, tiles are only likely to get you > lazy since you have less work to do to know where > colors are while solving....just my two cents. > -K- > --- h4m573r1 <saiyanprince199@h...> wrote: > > Hey guys! > > Sunil posting again, this time I have a > > question. I currently > > have a few oddzon 3x3x3's, and i changed their > > stickers a couple > > times and quite frankly I'm getting ridiculously > > frustrated by them. > > Do any of your knowledgeable people know where I can > > get some tiles? > > I was going to order from Mefferts, but I have no > > use for another > > cube...So I was wondering if there were any other > > places where I can > > get just the tiles? Any response would be great > > help, thank you very > > much all! > > -Sunil > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' > http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861

Hi Michael, Tiles are allowed in competition. I use Rubik's Deluxe cubes in both the regular and the Game/Challenge variety. Hi Kyle, I practice with stickered cubes too. Being used to tiles doesn't throw me. Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > And, in an official competition, you HAVE to use stickers. So if you > get used to tiles, then suddenly switch for the big day, it'll mess > with your mind. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > I would "stick" with stickers, because no matter how > > frustrating they are, tiles are only likely to get you > > lazy since you have less work to do to know where > > colors are while solving....just my two cents. > > -K-

Anyone know if a Canadian Championships is in the works? I'd love to compete. I don't think enough people would show up though :(

Um, for the July 10 tournament, as written in the official rules, you may use a Rubik's Deluxe Cube with tiles. I have to revise the wording but that's the idea. No nail polish or paint though. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 13, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Michael Atkinson wrote: > And, in an official competition, you HAVE to use stickers. So if you > get used to tiles, then suddenly switch for the big day, it'll mess > with your mind. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Everyone is invited to the tournament in Pasadena on July 10. Would you guys be interested in crowning a Canadian championship at the tournament also? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Will Pearson wrote: > Anyone know if a Canadian Championships is in the works? I'd love to > compete. I don't think enough people would show up though :( > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Tyson, For the July 10th tournament, am I allowed to use a regular rubiks.com cube with my own tiles? I have the real Rubiks logo on my cube if you take off my blue tile. Please tell me soon, thanks! ~Joseph *AZINJ05IEIPIH waz here* --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Um, for the July 10 tournament, as written in the official rules, you > may use a Rubik's Deluxe Cube with tiles. I have to revise the wording > but that's the idea. No nail polish or paint though. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 13, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Michael Atkinson wrote: > > > And, in an official competition, you HAVE to use stickers. So if you > > get used to tiles, then suddenly switch for the big day, it'll mess > > with your mind. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Sunil! (aka Hamster)! anyways, you know the tiled cube that I brought to school today? The tiles that I used are pretty good. I'm pretty sure there are places where they sell plastic tiles, latez~ ~Joseph *AZIN_J05IEIPIH waz here* --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "h4m573r1" <saiyanprince199@h...> wrote: > Hey guys! > Sunil posting again, this time I have a question. I currently > have a few oddzon 3x3x3's, and i changed their stickers a couple > times and quite frankly I'm getting ridiculously frustrated by them. > Do any of your knowledgeable people know where I can get some tiles? > I was going to order from Mefferts, but I have no use for another > cube...So I was wondering if there were any other places where I can > get just the tiles? Any response would be great help, thank you very > much all! > -Sunil

I haven't been here for a week, sorry for the delay. The way you solve 2x2x2 is amazing. I like the first stage the most. After 4 moves the corners are oriented!! Is the set of algorithms computer generated or is it "hand made"? Maybe I missed some discussion about it. I haven't seen this system before. My system (decades ago) has 3 stages and was intended for speed. 1. orientation of 4 white corners in U, 2. orientation of yellow corners in D, 3. permutation of both u and D layers. For 3x3x3 there is no best system for fewest moves so far. I use mostly an intuitive approach, preferably with 2x2x3 done as a middle stage (but not always). Mirek --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > You are the human computer algorythm. You are excellent! > > My experience 2x2x2 with Richard Korf (rechearh algorythm god > program)is special. 9 in 7 "yes Gaétan" > > After my step 1 don't use quater turn on F, B, L and R dooble turn > move only. > > Ex: cubestion 7 may B2 F' L2 U R (D2 U' B)*3 (L2 D' R)*3 F B U2 L > D2 my solution is UFRBR2D2F2D'F2D' step 1 all orient UFRB step 2 I > don't use quarter turn F, B, L and R dooble turn move only > R2D2F2D'F2D'. > > My average cubestation on 2x2x2 is 9 move. What your average time on > rubik's cube sub 7-8 move scramble no sequence opposite face? > Another method fast 2x2x2 by 2 step is not the best system fewest > move for me and you? > > Email me > Magic fun > Gaétan >

--- Tyson Mao wrote: > Um, for the July 10 tournament, as written in the official rules, > you may use a Rubik's Deluxe Cube with tiles. I have to revise the > wording but that's the idea. No nail polish or paint though. Why no nail polish/paint? I used my cube, which is painted with nail polish, at the 2003 Rubik's World Championship. I just had to have the center white sticker with the Rubik's logo, which I did. Is this no longer sufficient? I personally think this is a bad rule. Stickers wear off too easily, even if you have "good" ones. Tiles are hard to come by, and when you find them you may have to transfer them from another cube to use them on your own (preferred) cube. This leaves me with a single good choice of nail polish/paint... Can anyone give me a good reason for disqualifying nail polish/paint and not tiles? - Grant

Hi Grant, So, there's a sticky issue with allowing nail polish. If I allow nail polish, the cube will definitely be subjected to an inspection by the tournament director before the competition. Though your cube is probably fine, a lot of competitors had nail polish cubes with really indistinct colors. I wanted to try and get rid of this problem. I guess I can amend the rules but the six colors have to be very distinct. What do you think? Can you order stickers for your cubes instead? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 13, 2004, at 8:47 PM, Grant Tregay wrote: > > I personally think this is a bad rule.  Stickers wear off too easily, > even if you have "good" ones.  Tiles are hard to come by, and when > you find them you may have to transfer them from another cube to use > them on your own (preferred) cube.  This leaves me with a single good > choice of nail polish/paint... Can anyone give me a good reason for > disqualifying nail polish/paint and not tiles? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tyson, Thanks for your quick reply - my comments are below: --- Tyson Mao wrote: > So, there's a sticky issue with allowing nail polish. If I allow > nail polish, the cube will definitely be subjected to an > inspection by the tournament director before the competition. I would expect this to be the case - at the RWC, they checked to make sure your cube was satisfactory for competition. Even if someone has stickers on their cube, if they look nasty or are hard to tell what color is on each side because of wear, they should be required to replace them. > Though your cube is probably fine, a lot of competitors had nail > polish cubes with really indistinct colors. I wanted to try and > get rid of this problem. Understandably, judges need to be able to quickly and easily tell, for sure, whether or not a cube is solved when the solver puts it down as solved. If this is in question, then that cube should not be allowed into competition. If they have painted their cube such that two sides are distinguishable, but are similar, then it only hurts them in their recognition... Especially if lighting is less than optimal on the stage. > I guess I can amend the rules but the six colors have to be very > distinct. What do you think? Can you order stickers for your > cubes instead? I don't anticipate being in competitions very frequently, so I suppose I could sticker-up just before going to one, but part of my reason for using the nail polish is to avoid the extra cost of constantly replacing stickers. Also, with nail polish, you can get more brilliant colors - I much prefer the distinction between my green/blue and red/orange then that of the stickers. So, in the end, I think it would be better to allow for "painted" cubes, with an specification that cubes' colors must be distinct from one another. - Grant --- Grant Tregay wrote: > I personally think this is a bad rule.  Stickers wear off too > easily, even if you have "good" ones.  Tiles are hard to come by, > and when you find them you may have to transfer them from another > cube to use them on your own (preferred) cube.  This leaves me with > a single good choice of nail polish/paint... Can anyone give me a > good reason for disqualifying nail polish/paint and not tiles?

do you have your method or at least the algorythms(sp) for it online anywhere? im interested in checking it out. thanx for any information Evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@d...> wrote: > Hi, > z-b is the one that does the last edge corner pair and orients the LL edges > isn't it? > I'm not sure how beneficial the extra effort will be. > For comparison with my method (I'll refer to it as the DD method) I put in > the "cross and one corner" first. > I then do the remaining 3 corner edge pairs leaving me with one middle edge. > (Actually I use the keyhole method but in principle and for comparison its > simplest to stick with the Fridrich pair moves). > I do the final middle edge and at the same time orient not only the LL edges > but one corner. This is the "z-b like" part. This only needs 24 algorithms > at an average of between 8 and 9 moves per algorithm. > You are left with a 1 in 9 chance of a one look last layer with 4 OLL > algorithms at an average of 8 moves if the last layer needs orienting. > > Compared to Fridrich, DD loses 0-2 moves by doing "cross + 1 corner" then on > average another one move in the "z-b like" part - putting in the middle edge > while orienting edges and 1 corner. > It gains 2 moves on average on OLL but then there is the big bonus of the > 1-in-9 chance of a 1 look LL. > > All in all I would say there isn't much to choose between DD and Fridrich > and I would guess the same is true of z-b. The other big bonus of my method > is that by learning the 24 algorithms for the last middle edge you cut down > the number of OLL algorithms to learn to 4! And of course its pretty quick > to recognise the 8 possible LL corner orientations too. > > It still looks very hard to expand either the middle edge algorithms to > orient more or the PLL algorithms to cover corner orientation and get down > to 1 look :(. Unless either my approach or z-b can be used to cut out a > whole step i.e. get down to a one look LL then I wouldn't recommend spending > time switching from Fridrich unless you really think the probabilities of > the one look (1/9 or 1/16?) are worth all the extra effort. Obviously I'm > biased and like DD best (and it has the fewest algorithms) but I would have > to say that there are such good sites out there teaching Fridrich that I > think its probably the easiest of the fast methods to learn at the moment. > > Duncan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomasz Piotrowski" <tomahawk@l...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: z-b > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2004, nviennefr wrote: > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz Piotrowski > > > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > > > > > > > tomahawk > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for now........ > > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have double > > > size!! > > > > > > nikox > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself but > > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of optimized > > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry I don't yet Evan - mostly because I am always tinkering with the strategy to try to improve it. When I get a stable version i will try to put it up somewhere. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "evanmgates" <evan.gates@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: z-b > do you have your method or at least the algorythms(sp) for it online > anywhere? im interested in checking it out. thanx for any > information > > Evan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" > <duncan@d...> wrote: > > Hi, > > z-b is the one that does the last edge corner pair and orients > the LL edges > > isn't it? > > I'm not sure how beneficial the extra effort will be. > > For comparison with my method (I'll refer to it as the DD method) > I put in > > the "cross and one corner" first. > > I then do the remaining 3 corner edge pairs leaving me with one > middle edge. > > (Actually I use the keyhole method but in principle and for > comparison its > > simplest to stick with the Fridrich pair moves). > > I do the final middle edge and at the same time orient not only > the LL edges > > but one corner. This is the "z-b like" part. This only needs 24 > algorithms > > at an average of between 8 and 9 moves per algorithm. > > You are left with a 1 in 9 chance of a one look last layer with 4 > OLL > > algorithms at an average of 8 moves if the last layer needs > orienting. > > > > Compared to Fridrich, DD loses 0-2 moves by doing "cross + 1 > corner" then on > > average another one move in the "z-b like" part - putting in the > middle edge > > while orienting edges and 1 corner. > > It gains 2 moves on average on OLL but then there is the big bonus > of the > > 1-in-9 chance of a 1 look LL. > > > > All in all I would say there isn't much to choose between DD and > Fridrich > > and I would guess the same is true of z-b. The other big bonus of > my method > > is that by learning the 24 algorithms for the last middle edge you > cut down > > the number of OLL algorithms to learn to 4! And of course its > pretty quick > > to recognise the 8 possible LL corner orientations too. > > > > It still looks very hard to expand either the middle edge > algorithms to > > orient more or the PLL algorithms to cover corner orientation and > get down > > to 1 look :(. Unless either my approach or z-b can be used to cut > out a > > whole step i.e. get down to a one look LL then I wouldn't > recommend spending > > time switching from Fridrich unless you really think the > probabilities of > > the one look (1/9 or 1/16?) are worth all the extra effort. > Obviously I'm > > biased and like DD best (and it has the fewest algorithms) but I > would have > > to say that there are such good sites out there teaching Fridrich > that I > > think its probably the easiest of the fast methods to learn at the > moment. > > > > Duncan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomasz Piotrowski" <tomahawk@l...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: z-b > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 May 2004, nviennefr wrote: > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tomasz > Piotrowski > > > > <tomahawk@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what do You think about Zborowski-Bruchem method?? > > > > > > > > > > tomahawk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for > now........ > > > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have > double > > > > size!! > > > > > > > > nikox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself but > > > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of > optimized > > > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

ZB is a system for those who want to get below 15 (and be the best). What one can ask is if it is worth the memorizing. It's hard to improve Jiri and 1212 is just too much. Fridrich(7looks): cross 7moves F2L 4x7 OLL 9 PLL 11 total:55 ZB(6 looks): cross 7 3F2Lpairs 3x7 4th pair+EO 8 PE+CO&P 12 total: 48 VH(8 looks): (1/12+1/21 chance of skiping last step) cross 7 3F2Lpairs 3x7 group 4th pair 3.5 finishF2L+EO 6.5 C O&P 9 EP 10 total: 57 3 ideas for LBL methods for top speed I thought of, based on all these methods and (chris' extended cross;) : VH, my way (1/6+1/21 chance of 1look LL) cross 7 3F2Lpairs 3x7 group 4th pair 3.5 finishF2L+EO 6.5 EP 7 O&P C 12 total:57 -instead of 1/8, you get +than1/5 of the times a 1look LL -if your aim is a full ZB, then you won't need to check what each O&P alg does to EP (this way it does nothing) my expert method(6looks): Xcross 10.5moves 2F2Lpairs 2x7 group 4th pair 3.5 finishF2L+CO 7 CP+EP&O 12 total: 47 -The great difference is that taking CO out of the last step reduces A LOT the number of algs. If you, like me, haven't learned OLL, you can learn the last step instead. It's about 55algs, excluding mirrors. -the last step recognition is a bit easier my perfect method (5looks) :) Xcross 10.5moves 2F2Lpairs 2x7 4th pair+OC 8 CP+EP&O 12 total:44.5 -forget 1212 this is the ultimate aim hehe -the 4th pair has too many cases, but its easy to reduce them to 1/4 with a little trick, making this method have a bit less algs then ZB For a list algs to choose from and optimize, use http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ Tell me what you think of these methods > > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for > > now........ > > > > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have > > double > > > > > size!! > > > > > > > > > > nikox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself but > > > > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of > > optimized > > > > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one.

I spent 2 days really focusing on memorizing a cube. I attempted a solve and was off by 1 turn... drat. But i'm getting closer and closer, so thats cool. I was just wondering if working out a solution without turning the cube then solving it with a blindfold on, is that technicly blindfold cubing? I mean usually you guys memorize all the pieces and then work on the solution while blindfolded. But preplanning everything and then executing a sequence without looking is that considered blindfolded cubing too? jake

I want to find some algorithms for certain situations that havent been published as far as i can tell. I was just wondering how people go about doing that? Is there a certain program in which u can ignore the permutation and orientaion of certain peices? Or is the only way to find them by hand when the positions are too specific? thx Evan

I can do the whole thing really easily now except for one part: After I have done 4 of the center sets (3x3 pieces) and there are two opposites centers left to complete, I find it very difficult to match them up. I can get it eventually but it takes many minutes until I finally see a route out! =-o Thanks in advance for your help. -Louie

Yes, it is, but the other method is done in about 5 minutes while to memorize the whole combination of move you'll do to get the cube done is more than 1 hour.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > I want to find some algorithms for certain situations that havent > been published as far as i can tell. I was just wondering how > people go about doing that? Is there a certain program in which u > can ignore the permutation and orientaion of certain peices? Or is > the only way to find them by hand when the positions are too > specific? Hi Evan, I think what you want is Ron's cube solver (look under tools at speedcubing.com)...it's my favorite cube tool... Bill

May 12th: 54.76 56.62 59.29 57.51 55.26 56 59.98 51.81 59.78 45.03 56.25 48.7 Average: 55.08 Amazingly no pop's, and never went over 1 minute, 59.98 was closest though... Anyway, just thought I'd post this as all my other averages were like 1:15 ect.... So far fastest time is 34 seconds on a lucky case... I'm using petrus method and trying to get better at the F2L, but some of the moves just require a ton of twisting and I'm not super fast on that yet. thanks for reading!

Hi, that´a a very simple problem that should take only take about 5-10 sec. with a little practice. Try this: Let´s see the middle 3x3 pieces as a 3x3 cube. U normally have at least one edge connected with its middle piece on each side. Now try to get connected edge/corner pairs an and build a 2x2 then a 2x3 etc. For example: one the red side /r/r/o/ /o/r/o/ /r/o/r/ one the orange side /o/r/o/ /o/o/r/ /r/r/o/ A double slice move right connects the down/right red corner with the down middle red edge leaving red: /r/r/o/ /o/r/r/ /r/o/o/ orange: /o/r/o/ /o/o/o/ /r/r/r/ turning the orange side counterclockwise and taking back the slice move leaves a correct 2x2 on the red side. Just go on this way till u have a 2x3 correct. The last row has to be insert "as one". It´s only a hint how to do it, very difficult to describe but easy to do. Olli --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" <lclif@c...> wrote: > I can do the whole thing really easily now except for one part: > > After I have done 4 of the center sets (3x3 pieces) and there are two > opposites centers left to complete, I find it very difficult to match > them up. I can get it eventually but it takes many minutes until I > finally see a route out! =-o > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > -Louie

Amazingly with the Petrus method you should be reaching 40 seconds in nearly no time. Whats important is to really learn all the "advanced" steps and all the 4b tricks. But believe me, it starts getting hard to go sub 30. I hope your cube is lubed, and 34 on a lucky case when you average 20 seconds more, must have been hell of a lucky case.

i had the same problem when i first solved it. took me 45 minutes my first time, and im still aoround there. im also having a little trouble with the edge permutation. i always get one edge piece that isn't properly oriented.. its kinda wierd and im not sure what to do. the side looks like this... (r=red, w=white, y=yellow) r r w r r r r r r r r r r r r r r y r r btw, the whole cube is solved except these two edges. any ideas? -cubekid yodamunkey1 <lclif@...> wrote: I can do the whole thing really easily now except for one part: After I have done 4 of the center sets (3x3 pieces) and there are two opposites centers left to complete, I find it very difficult to match them up. I can get it eventually but it takes many minutes until I finally see a route out! =-o Thanks in advance for your help. -Louie Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

After some recent talks with representatives from Seven Towns, they have agreed that once a working prototype of the Rubik's timer is demonstrated, this timer will become the official Rubik's timing device for use in speed-cubing tournaments. The new tournament timer will then sell on the www.rubiks.com website. A web site has been set up to document the progress of the project. There are also links for communicating feedback from fellow speed- cubists to suggest design ideas for the timer. Please check out the new Rubik's tournament timer website is located at http://www.mission-designs.com/timer

Yeah, thats my problem, im having trouble keeping it all straight in my head. I find it easier to map out each turn before hand even thought it takes a couple hours. How do you guys keep it all straight? I tried the whole number thing, but that really confuses me. Oh well, I'll try and experiement with things... jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Yes, it is, but the other method is done in about 5 minutes while to > memorize the whole combination of move you'll do to get the cube done > is more than 1 hour.

Hey! There are actually 2 possible cases for this. Do the faces look like this : (top) (bottom) XXXXX OOOOO XXXXX OOOOO XXXXX OOOOO XXOXX OOXOO XXXXX OOOOO or like this : (top) (bottom) XXXXX OOOOO XXXXX OOOOO XXXXX OOOOO XXXOX OOOXO XXXXX OOOOO ???? (Hope u get what i mean) When u reply to this i will make some pictures and post in Photos section :-) -Per K Both of these are "fixed" by a simple 3-cycle on the centers. > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" <lclif@c...> wrote: > I can do the whole thing really easily now except for one part: > > After I have done 4 of the center sets (3x3 pieces) and there are two > opposites centers left to complete, I find it very difficult to match > them up. I can get it eventually but it takes many minutes until I > finally see a route out! =-o > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > -Louie

Well, it wasn't really super-lucky, it was just when I was clear headed and was turning perfectly.... I got the F2L remarkably fast, each step was only about 1 away from being solved, and I was able to skip the last step as the edges were correct. I only started cubing about a month ago, and the F2L is still very hard beacuse I can't always "see" a couple moves ahead, so I usually have to figure them out as they come.... And yes, luckily for me I managed to find some silcone spray and the cube is pretty loose. Thanks! Anyway I'm still working on getting down to a 30 second average, hopefully as I see the F2L better it will come faster. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Amazingly with the Petrus method you should be reaching 40 seconds in > nearly no time. Whats important is to really learn all the "advanced" > steps and all the 4b tricks. But believe me, it starts getting hard > to go sub 30. > > I hope your cube is lubed, and 34 on a lucky case when you average 20 > seconds more, must have been hell of a lucky case.

I finally understand it now! Thank you so much. You were right, it is really easy. :D Just get the 2x3 on one side, then use that 3x1 slice that isn't correct yet to make the final 3x1 on the opposite side. Wow thanks. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Oliver Wolff" <OliverWolff@t...> wrote: > Hi, > > that´a a very simple problem that should take only take about 5-10 > sec. with a little practice. > Try this: > Let´s see the middle 3x3 pieces as a 3x3 cube. > U normally have at least one edge connected with its middle piece on > each side. > Now try to get connected edge/corner pairs an and build a 2x2 then a > 2x3 etc. > > For example: one the red side > /r/r/o/ > /o/r/o/ > /r/o/r/ > > > one the orange side > /o/r/o/ > /o/o/r/ > /r/r/o/ > > A double slice move right connects the down/right red corner with the > down middle red edge leaving > > red: /r/r/o/ > /o/r/r/ > /r/o/o/ > > orange: /o/r/o/ > /o/o/o/ > /r/r/r/ > > turning the orange side counterclockwise and taking back the slice > move leaves a correct 2x2 on the red side. > > Just go on this way till u have a 2x3 correct. The last row has to be > insert "as one". > > It´s only a hint how to do it, very difficult to describe but easy to > do.

Evan - I found that I didn't have the computer speed or time beyond 10 move algorithms. And even that was a stretch. Josef Jelinek has used his own solver to find some specific moves for me (for which I am very grateful if you read this Josef!). he made a general offer a few months ago to help people as he wants to test his solver against others. I know he is pretty busy at the moment though. You could try asking him if you are able to communicate what you need clearly. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "bmcgaugh49" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:26 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] (unknown) > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > I want to find some algorithms for certain situations that havent > > been published as far as i can tell. I was just wondering how > > people go about doing that? Is there a certain program in which u > > can ignore the permutation and orientaion of certain peices? Or is > > the only way to find them by hand when the positions are too > > specific? > > Hi Evan, > > I think what you want is Ron's cube solver (look under tools at > speedcubing.com)...it's my favorite cube tool... > > Bill > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi, This was a great list of comparisons and includes some stuff I didn't know. Thanks. Does ZB really have a single algorithm approach for PE + CO+P? I figured this was too hard to find the algorithms for - even for my method which always has at least one corner oriented. If it does and the algorithms are known then I will have a look around and steal them to make mine a definite 1 look method. Currently and to follow your format I have: DD (7 looks): (1/9 chance of skipping OLL step) cross + 1 corner 9 moves 3F2L pairs 3x7 21 last ME + EO + 1 CO 8.5 number of algorithms 24 CO 7 number of algorithms 4 PLL 11 total: 57.5 I like the idea of taking out the CO early but haven't been able to think my way through it. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "brokulo" <brokulo@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] zb and my methods > ZB is a system for those who want to get below 15 (and be the best). > What one can ask is if it is worth the memorizing. It's hard to > improve Jiri and 1212 is just too much. > > Fridrich(7looks): > cross 7moves > F2L 4x7 > OLL 9 > PLL 11 > total:55 > > ZB(6 looks): > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > 4th pair+EO 8 > PE+CO&P 12 > total: 48 > > VH(8 looks): (1/12+1/21 chance of skiping last step) > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+EO 6.5 > C O&P 9 > EP 10 > total: 57 > > 3 ideas for LBL methods for top speed I thought of, based on all > these methods and (chris' extended cross;) : > > VH, my way (1/6+1/21 chance of 1look LL) > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+EO 6.5 > EP 7 > O&P C 12 > total:57 > > -instead of 1/8, you get +than1/5 of the times a 1look LL > -if your aim is a full ZB, then you won't need to check what each O&P > alg does to EP (this way it does nothing) > > my expert method(6looks): > Xcross 10.5moves > 2F2Lpairs 2x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+CO 7 > CP+EP&O 12 > total: 47 > > -The great difference is that taking CO out of the last step reduces > A LOT the number of algs. If you, like me, haven't learned OLL, you > can learn the last step instead. It's about 55algs, excluding mirrors. > -the last step recognition is a bit easier > > my perfect method (5looks) :) > Xcross 10.5moves > 2F2Lpairs 2x7 > 4th pair+OC 8 > CP+EP&O 12 > total:44.5 > > -forget 1212 this is the ultimate aim hehe > -the 4th pair has too many cases, but its easy to reduce them to 1/4 > with a little trick, making this method have a bit less algs then ZB > > For a list algs to choose from and optimize, > use http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ > > Tell me what you think of these methods > > > > > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for > > > now........ > > > > > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have > > > double > > > > > > size!! > > > > > > > > > > > > nikox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself > but > > > > > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of > > > optimized > > > > > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

This is all good and everything... except I was about to spend $220 on stackmats for club money. I guess it'll have to wait. Maybe your timer could have the same interface as the stackmat so that people don't have to buy new tournament displays. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 15, 2004, at 8:00 AM, rubikstimer wrote: > After some recent talks with representatives from Seven Towns, they > have agreed that once a working prototype of the Rubik's timer is > demonstrated, this timer will become the official Rubik's timing > device for use in speed-cubing tournaments.� The new tournament > timer will then sell on the www.rubiks.com website. > > A web site has been set up to document the progress of the project.� > There are also links for communicating feedback from fellow speed- > cubists to suggest design ideas for the timer. > > Please check out the new Rubik's tournament timer website is located > at http://www.mission-designs.com/timer > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well one must really understand all the steps of the blindfold cubing. Corner orientation and Edge orientation in my case is the easiest but I have never been able to understand really how the permutations worked. I'm beginning to understand Corner Permutation but the edge permutation is totally fogish to me. You should try to do it step by step to start with, after it's just to memorize numbers, understand numbers and apply the subsequent algorithms.

Try building the F2l completly at this pace : 1 move per second. IF you apply the solution properly, you should have the F2L done in about 35-40 seconds. And then go full out speed for the last layer. Hopefully you'll be able to do this at a faster speed. Assure yourself that you do about 50 moves to solve a cube, if you are doing more, there's a problem to fix.

Hey! Now i have prepared those pictures that i mentioned. I uploaded them to Photos section of this group. Cehck in folder "Per_5x5x5". I did all the moves with figures. This way they should be obvious even for those who know nothing about cube notation. Please also not that the second case has a shorter solution. But the one i gave is very consistent with the first one :-) -Cubix (apologies if this post appars twice ... posting is sometimes slow) > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > Hey! > > There are actually 2 possible cases for this. Do the faces look like > this : > > (top) (bottom) > XXXXX OOOOO > XXXXX OOOOO > XXXXX OOOOO > XXOXX OOXOO > XXXXX OOOOO > > or like this : > > (top) (bottom) > XXXXX OOOOO > XXXXX OOOOO > XXXXX OOOOO > XXXOX OOOXO > XXXXX OOOOO > > ???? (Hope u get what i mean) > > When u reply to this i will make some pictures and post in Photos > section :-) > > -Per K > > Both of these are "fixed" by a simple 3-cycle on the centers. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" > <lclif@c...> wrote: > > I can do the whole thing really easily now except for one part: > > > > After I have done 4 of the center sets (3x3 pieces) and there are > two > > opposites centers left to complete, I find it very difficult to > match > > them up. I can get it eventually but it takes many minutes until I > > finally see a route out! =-o > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > -Louie

I agree Tyson, I have also spent £50 on a Stackmat, and I'm sure a lot of guys have one too. It would be a shame if this became obsolete because the new timer has a different interface/method of measuring the time from the Stackmat. Especially because I am a poor sutdent! Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > This is all good and everything... except I was about to spend $220 on > stackmats for club money.

Watch my down page method another algorythm step 3 1 R2F2R2 (0 group of 2) lucky case 1 no change 2 R2D'R2DR2D'R2DR2 (1 group of 2) 2 LD'LF2L'DL' 3 R2D'F2D2R2D'R2 (2 group of 2) 3 no change 4 F2D2+(2 group of 2 )+D2F2 bad lucky case 4 L2DF'DFD'L2D'F'D'F 5 R2D'R2DR2B2DR2D'F2 (3 group of 2) 5 F'RF'L2FR'F'L2F2 I use 3, R2D'F2D2R2D'R2 (2 group of 2) My fewest move UFRB + R2D2F2D'F2 + D'. F2D2R2D'R2 same R2D2F2D'F2 axis another R = F. 20 secondes in slow move inspection is not difficult. Orient or permute first, that's the human question for alorythm god. All orient is fewest that 11 move. My english ? Option 2, I return my first case. Cube station 14/05 L R U2 (F' L B' L')*4 U R'(L' B' R2 U)*4 R' L' U2 my solution is FL' All orient corner I looked my bad lucky case. I return my first case for the function 5 to right F'RF'L2FR'F'L2F2 and I solve F2LDF2DR'D'RD'F2D fewest move 2x2x2. Is not very difficult! Hand man only! My sytem is probably the great one! The fastest cubist 3x3x3 or fastest 5x5x5 Who is the better? The fewest move cubist 3x3x3 or 2x2x2 who is the better? The fastest 40x40x40? :)) I don't Know but I had a beautifull theory for 3x3x3 fastest method for you Mirek. I need your experience. Beaucoup d'algorithme à trouver mais humainement réalisable. The magician Gaétan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mirek_goljan" <goljan@s...> wrote: > I haven't been here for a week, sorry for the delay. > The way you solve 2x2x2 is amazing. I like the first stage the most. > After 4 moves the corners are oriented!! > Is the set of algorithms computer generated or is it "hand made"? > Maybe I missed some discussion about it. I haven't seen this system > before. My system (decades ago) has 3 stages and was intended for > speed. 1. orientation of 4 white corners in U, 2. orientation of > yellow corners in D, 3. permutation of both u and D layers. > > For 3x3x3 there is no best system for fewest moves so far. I use > mostly an intuitive approach, preferably with 2x2x3 done as a middle > stage (but not always). > Mirek > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gaétan Guimond > <rubiks99ca@y...> wrote: > > You are the human computer algorythm. You are excellent! > > > > My experience 2x2x2 with Richard Korf (rechearh algorythm god > > program)is special. 9 in 7 "yes Gaétan" > > > > After my step 1 don't use quater turn on F, B, L and R dooble turn > > move only. > > > > Ex: cubestion 7 may B2 F' L2 U R (D2 U' B)*3 (L2 D' R)*3 F B U2 L > > D2 my solution is UFRBR2D2F2D'F2D' step 1 all orient UFRB step 2 > I > > don't use quarter turn F, B, L and R dooble turn move only > > R2D2F2D'F2D'. > > > > My average cubestation on 2x2x2 is 9 move. What your average time > on > > rubik's cube sub 7-8 move scramble no sequence opposite face? > > Another method fast 2x2x2 by 2 step is not the best system fewest > > move for me and you? > > > > Email me > > Magic fun > > Gaétan > >

well, i use the petrus method too and i think what you've said is true its very hard to go slower i would like to ask if anyone is below 30 seconds average with the petrus method and how long he/she took to do it as i am finding it difficult to go under 40 seconds. thanks --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Try building the F2l completly at this pace : 1 move per second. IF > you apply the solution properly, you should have the F2L done in > about 35-40 seconds. And then go full out speed for the last layer. > Hopefully you'll be able to do this at a faster speed. Assure > yourself that you do about 50 moves to solve a cube, if you are doing > more, there's a problem to fix.

My opinion is that the Stackmat was never intended to be used as a cube timer but was used only because nothing better was available. I figured that in time a timer specifically for Rubik's cubes would be invented and that is why I never purchased a stackmat. The new timer will be compatible with the stackmat displays. The only difference is the way the timer is started/stopped. I personally would prefer the photocell instead the hand pad things but this contradicts the "official" rules. But were these rules made because of the way the stackmat works or for another reason? I'm glad someone decided to make a timer. I'll be one of the first to buy one:) --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > I agree Tyson, > > I have also spent £50 on a Stackmat, and I'm sure a lot of guys have > one too. It would be a shame if this became obsolete because the new > timer has a different interface/method of measuring the time from > the Stackmat. Especially because I am a poor sutdent! > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > This is all good and everything... except I was about to spend > $220 on > > stackmats for club money.

What's this "concentration game"? Sounds like fun... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@z...> wrote: > Hi all > > I just wanted to share that I tried out the concentration game tonight for the first time, and I already dropped my time to the astonishing (at least to me) > > 11.86!! > > oh yeah... Now let's try to go sub 10 > > As far as cubing goes, I really need something to speed up. I am sooo slow (avg 23). > > Michiel > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I stopped cubing for some three or four months last year because I got bored of it. When I picked it up again late autumn (because at autumn in a military camp in northern Norway, there really isn't a lot to do) , I had to re-learn 90% of all the LL algorithms, but I ended up cutting a nice 5 seconds off my time when I got them in. Maybe you'll manage too! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals, > > Well I got myself a new cube again (3x3x3), but this time I bought five just > in case I do something dumb again. Anyway my time is back up to the high 90' > s down to the low 70's averaging this morning 1:25.19 doing as fast as > 1:11.13, I hope I can do sub-60's after about a week of having no cube at > hand.

Hey all, I uploaded a couple of pictures to my folder in the Photos section. Two pics of the 1x1x1 cube that I made for my Mother-in-Law and one pic of my collection. Although a few 3x3's and a 4x4 is missing from the collection picture. Jon

just a personal opinion but i think zb will be really effective after one memorized all 500-ish algs.. but it takes a lot of determination. but for most cubers, personalized fridrich is good enough for sub15..if your name is macky, you can definetly get sub15 on fridrich. most cubers that know more than one method usually combine algorithms...again, if your name is macky, you know a lot of methods..combined, its very effective. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "brokulo" <brokulo@y...> wrote: > ZB is a system for those who want to get below 15 (and be the best). > What one can ask is if it is worth the memorizing. It's hard to > improve Jiri and 1212 is just too much. > > Fridrich(7looks): > cross 7moves > F2L 4x7 > OLL 9 > PLL 11 > total:55 > > ZB(6 looks): > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > 4th pair+EO 8 > PE+CO&P 12 > total: 48 > > VH(8 looks): (1/12+1/21 chance of skiping last step) > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+EO 6.5 > C O&P 9 > EP 10 > total: 57 > > 3 ideas for LBL methods for top speed I thought of, based on all > these methods and (chris' extended cross;) : > > VH, my way (1/6+1/21 chance of 1look LL) > cross 7 > 3F2Lpairs 3x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+EO 6.5 > EP 7 > O&P C 12 > total:57 > > -instead of 1/8, you get +than1/5 of the times a 1look LL > -if your aim is a full ZB, then you won't need to check what each O&P > alg does to EP (this way it does nothing) > > my expert method(6looks): > Xcross 10.5moves > 2F2Lpairs 2x7 > group 4th pair 3.5 > finishF2L+CO 7 > CP+EP&O 12 > total: 47 > > -The great difference is that taking CO out of the last step reduces > A LOT the number of algs. If you, like me, haven't learned OLL, you > can learn the last step instead. It's about 55algs, excluding mirrors. > -the last step recognition is a bit easier > > my perfect method (5looks) :) > Xcross 10.5moves > 2F2Lpairs 2x7 > 4th pair+OC 8 > CP+EP&O 12 > total:44.5 > > -forget 1212 this is the ultimate aim hehe > -the 4th pair has too many cases, but its easy to reduce them to 1/4 > with a little trick, making this method have a bit less algs then ZB > > For a list algs to choose from and optimize, > use http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ > > Tell me what you think of these methods > > > > > > > > IMPOSSIBLE ! too much algos for human's Brain for > > > now........ > > > > > > but in a far futur , why not when human's brain will have > > > double > > > > > > size!! > > > > > > > > > > > > nikox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem now is not algorithms memorization itself > but > > > > > obtaining the algorithms to memorize. I didn't find any set of > > > optimized > > > > > algs. Lots of hard work is needed to be done to create one.

It's actually already written on the thing that it will have an interface which allows use of the speedstakcs tournament display. Oops. Yeah, I'm glad this news came out quickly. I would like approval from another governing body other than Seventowns just for safety though. I trust the timer process, and I trust Seventowns, but there are people other than Seventowns that run the competitions. Just as a safety net. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 16, 2004, at 5:41 AM, Dan wrote: > I agree Tyson, > > I have also spent £50 on a Stackmat, and I'm sure a lot of guys have > one too. It would be a shame if this became obsolete because the new > timer has a different interface/method of measuring the time from > the Stackmat. Especially because I am a poor sutdent! > > Dan :) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The rules I have written are because currently, the StackMat is the only commercially produced time for Rubik's cubing. When the new timer coms out, of course we'll have to revise the rules. It shouldn't be that much of a change. I think the judge can still cover the cube and everything. we just have to make sure that the competitor picks up the cube before making a move. Sure... it's a seemingly insignificant advantage to make an U or U' turn, but it's still something necessary in order to have a solid set of rules. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 16, 2004, at 9:09 AM, Chris Sz... wrote: > My opinion is that the Stackmat was never intended to be used as a > cube timer but was used only because nothing better was available. I > figured that in time a timer specifically for Rubik's cubes would be > invented and that is why I never purchased a stackmat. The new timer > will be compatible with the stackmat displays. The only difference > is the way the timer is started/stopped. I personally would prefer > the photocell instead the hand pad things but this contradicts > the "official" rules. But were these rules made because of the way > the stackmat works or for another reason? I'm glad someone decided > to make a timer. I'll be one of the first to buy one:) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey jon, That's a neat idea! (1x1x1) How big is it, and how did you make it? (materials, colors, etc.) Austin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey all, > > I uploaded a couple of pictures to my folder in the Photos section. > Two pics of the 1x1x1 cube that I made for my Mother-in-Law and one > pic of my collection. Although a few 3x3's and a 4x4 is missing > from the collection picture. > > Jon

50 moves? Accourding to Petrus's webpage he does 60 average.... Do you count 180 moves as 1, or as 2 quarter turns? Anyway, counting them as a full turn, I would say I do about 50-60 moves for F2L and about 30 or so for LL. About 40 moves for F2L counting a 180 twist as 1, and about 25 or so for LL(most of LL is triggers and fast column moves) I average about 30-35 seconds for F2L and then about 10-15 seconds for LL. Is that too many moves? I'm only using the basic algorithms, and for the most part I don't break up the completed sections for the F2L. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Try building the F2l completly at this pace : 1 move per second. IF > you apply the solution properly, you should have the F2L done in > about 35-40 seconds. And then go full out speed for the last layer. > Hopefully you'll be able to do this at a faster speed. Assure > yourself that you do about 50 moves to solve a cube, if you are doing > more, there's a problem to fix.

Hi Just to let you know I stay in the Vagabond Inn in Pasedena from 4- 12 July see http://www.vagabondinn.com/propdesc.asp?propID=063 I hope to see you there Ton www.speedcubing.com/ton

He averages 40 moves if he looks for solutions, going for speed he goes around 60. If you look a bit and go fast, I believe going 50 move is very possible. Although this should be about like the Fridrich Method, about 56 moves. Sorry I was mistaken, I forgot to calculate the cross into her method. 2x2x2 = 7 moves 2x2x3 = + 7 moves Orient edges = +5 2x2x3 + 2x2 = +7 Complete F2L = +7 Yields 35 moves about since I can never do the 2x2x3 in 7 moves if I go for speed, In fact I do about 10. Up to this stage I changed my last layer approach Orient all -> 9 moves Permutate all -> 12 moves 56 moves For Petrus - > Permutate corners -> 8 moves Orient corners -> 12 moves Permutate Edges -> 9 moves 66 moves. I believe it is very possible to shorten the number of moves for the first 2 steps although I'll leave it those case to the lucky situations. I dont average sub 30, I average 34 seconds. This is after 2 months of Speed cubing. Of course I lost a bit of time to do the different LL approach.

Hi, I've been using the Petrus method for some time now. I have gotten my time down to abou 1 minute 5 seconds on average. I have heard good things about the Fridrich method and wanted to try it but I don't completely understand the diagrams and explaination of the method on Jessica Fridrich's homepage. Could anyone point out a better explaination or explain it better to me? I understand the part of getting a cross on the bottom and getting corner and edge pairs locked into the four remaining corner positions on the first two layers but I don't know the fastest method to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Nealo

Generally, there is no "in stone" rules for how to approach the cross, since it is really intuitive, and a guy being able to solve the cube with Petrus' method should in any case be able to do the cross. You then go on placing each first layer corner in together with its corresponding second layer edge simultaneously. Several sites provide algorithms for this, and I do suggest you begin by learning a few algorithms, but when you get experienced at the F2L you'll notice how you don't need any strict step-by-step solving of this phase either. For the beginner, however, I'd suggest looking through the algorithms at www.rubiks.dk. Which is where I started. Should be more than enough to help you get started at the F2L. Note that for you to be able to execute one of the algorithms, the corner piece must either be on the last layer ("top" layer, if you have the F2L on bottom, which I recommend) or already in its correct position, same with the edge piece. There are no algorithms given for when the corner or the edge or both reside "stuck away" in one of the other F2L slots. If you ever reach a position where no F2L pair is solvable due to each of them having one or both pieces "stuck away" like this, you need to transfer the piece(s) in question to the top layer and then proceed. As mentioned, when you get a feel of the F2L method, you really can step out of this rigid rulebook and the F2L becomes more "fluid". Good luck on learning the LL algs, though! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "meat15k" <Nealo@b...> wrote: > Hi, > I've been using the Petrus method for some time now. I have > gotten my time down to abou 1 minute 5 seconds on average. I have > heard good things about the Fridrich method and wanted to try it but > I don't completely understand the diagrams and explaination of the > method on Jessica Fridrich's homepage. Could anyone point out a > better explaination or explain it better to me? I understand the part > of getting a cross on the bottom and getting corner and edge pairs > locked into the four remaining corner positions on the first two > layers but I don't know the fastest method to do this. Any help would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Nealo

At 9:55 PM +0000 5/16/04, pathfinder_netstorm wrote: >He averages 40 moves if he looks for solutions, going for speed he >goes around 60. If you look a bit and go fast, I believe going 50 >move is very possible. Something like that. To be honest, I haven't done a serious count for years. > >I dont average sub 30, I average 34 seconds. This is after 2 months >of Speed cubing. Of course I lost a bit of time to do the different >LL approach. That's seriously fast progress! -- "They say the grass is greener on the other side, but have you ever flipped it over?" Lars Petrus, San Francisco - lars@... http://lar5.com

what do you guys think of adam's solution? http://www.ai.sri.com/~cheyer/rubiks/rubiks.html its faster than the layer by layer, but not as fast as the fidrich. I like the website because i find it much easier to follow icons telling you what moves to do than just a series of letters like "F'L²B'R B L B'R'B". for some reason i just cant memorize patterns as well when they're in that letter form. right now i average about 1 minute 20 seconds using the layer by layer method. is there a website with icons that is better than adam's solution? any suggestions would be appreciated. -grant

I guess it will be impossible to take times for Rubik's Magic? Because some of us solve it while it's lying on the table. I love my stackmat, so even if your or any other timer should become official I'd still like to stackmat to be official, too, and be provided in tournaments. For some puzzles, at least the Magic, this might even be necessary. Why not give it 6 digits? Does that cost that much more? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Yes, it is, but the other method is done in about 5 minutes while to > memorize the whole combination of move you'll do to get the cube done > is more than 1 hour. Not necessarily. If you said this because of Chris's 18.50 blindfold solve then let me say I think he himself said it might be possible to be faster than one hour. Also, that's not the only way to do it. You can plan ahead the whole solution using a normal blindfold method and then it's far less than an hour. But I agree that planning ahead is still blindfold solving as long as you don't make any turns before you put on the blindfold. That's my opinion now after hearing that answer from others at the Dutch cube day. More strictly, during memorization/planning I don't allow myself to write anything down or any other help (e.g. a list of algorithms). It's just me and the puzzle(s). Cheers! Stefan

You could use the commutator [F E' F2 E2 F, U2]. Assuming the *four* rows in your diagram is a mistake ;-) Stefan

I've got an idea for a method to do the cube in just 4 looks. Read on, you might think the idea is rubbish but at least you will have a good laugh. So remember where you heard it first :-) 1. Do the whole of the first face in one look. (calm down, I'll explain later). 2. Solve two of the second layer edges in one move. 3. Solve the other two second layer edges and orient the last layer edges in one move. 4. Orient last layer corners and permute last layer edges and corners in one move (as per ZB method). I don't know how many turns this would take (I'd guess about 45) but at least there arent many looks (3 less than the standard Fridrich method) so pauses would be cut down. 'Yes but step 1 is impossible' I hear you say. You may well be correct but I think that it might be possible for an extremely gifted and dedicated cubist. Quite a few people can do the extended cross and sometimes even double-extended cross. I think step 1 might be slightly easier than the double extended cross because all the pieces you are trying to follow in your head during planning have the same color on them. This may never work but I think if people ever want to get down closer to 10 seconds it's going to take a real leap of faith. Anyway that's it. Fell free to laugh out loud. Cheers, Jim

> > That's seriously fast progress! > As if we dont expect that from such a great method. :D tbh its a bit more than 2 months, like 2 months and a week or so.

Does anyone here know anysite or anywhere that can teach you or show you how to do extended or double extended cross? or even the X cross. Thanks alot! ~AZIN_J05IEIPIH

>But I agree that planning ahead is still blindfold solving as long >as you don't make any turns before you put on the blindfold. That's >my opinion now after hearing that answer from others at the Dutch >cube day. > >More strictly, during memorization/planning I don't allow myself to >write anything down or any other help (e.g. a list of algorithms). >It's just me and the puzzle(s). I agree, I think that as long as you look at the cube without doing any turns, and don't use any aid other than your own brain, then put on the blindfold and solve the cube that you have done a true blindfolded solve. -------------------------------------------- Below is a response to a different message than the one above, I just didn't want to send two posts to the group. -------------------------------------------- > I just thought about this and had an idea: Why not modify Fridrich > (the method, not the person ;-) a bit? What I mean is to not solve > the first layer correctly at first. Do F2L Fridrich-style but don't > care about permutation and orientation inside the first >layer............................. Stefan, I've been thinking about your idea here and I think it would definitely decrease the memorization time, and yet still let you do very fast solves. I think if you are interested in getting a sub-20 blindfolded solve (not including memorization) that you need to use a purely Fridrich method based approach. I noticed for my solve that I actually wasn't going quite full speed for some steps (i.e. the first 9 moves and OLL and PLL) becuase I didn't want to get lost, or misturn a face and forget where I was. I think doing the memorizing and solving your way would be very fast, but due to nervousness and not wanting to apply your moves at full speed (to avoid pops and mess-ups) that it probably wouldn't achieve a sub-20 blindfolded solve unless you were turning the faces very quickly. I can definitely see sub-30 being very achievable doing it this way though. The key to memorizing fast for this method is to decrease the number of steps where you know what alg you have to apply to get to the next step, and you have to apply that alg over and over in your head to track where all the remaining pieces will end up. These steps take a lot of time to do. I thought a lot about how to reduce the number and complexity of these steps, which was why my second attempt at solving like this went a lot faster than my first. As long as you try to minimize those tracking steps and also decrease the length of each one, then I think that method would work out very well. You could do most of the F2L pairs as simple RUR' or RU'R' moves to solve the pairs since you don't care how the corners will be oriented and placed. This would make each tracking step only 3 or 4 moves long which would go very fast. I'd like to give this a shot at some point and see how it works out. You sound like you are already planning this method out or are about to try it, so let us know if it works out well if you try it soon. Chris > I just thought about this and had an idea: Why not modify Fridrich > (the method, not the person ;-) a bit? What I mean is to not solve > the first layer correctly at first. Do F2L Fridrich-style but don't > care about permutation and orientation inside the first layer. > > Then follow F2L with an OFL and PFL and then of course OLL and PLL. > This would allow a shorter and easier F2L which might make planning > ahead the whole solution easier/safer/faster. Also, execution of the > planned solution would still be quite fast. > > If you really ignore permutation and orientation of the first layer > then of course you only have a 1/12 chance that OFL/PFL works. But > taking care of orientation is very simple (e.g. corners orientation > with last CE pair during F2L, edges orientation during cross) which > leaves a 1/2 chance because of permutation. Either you're lucky or > you do it with the last two CE pairs or you apply a fixing alg > between U and D sometime during the solution. > > What do you think? > > Cheers! > Stefan

Thanks! I am able to do the cross fairly easily but as far as setting the corner edge sets I have not found an especially fast way to do this. I suppose I can do the method just not with much speed yet. Most likely it is due to lack of experience with the Fridrich method. Thanks for your help! -Nealo. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > Generally, there is no "in stone" rules for how to approach the cross, > since it is really intuitive, and a guy being able to solve the cube > with Petrus' method should in any case be able to do the cross. > > You then go on placing each first layer corner in together with its > corresponding second layer edge simultaneously. Several sites provide > algorithms for this, and I do suggest you begin by learning a few > algorithms, but when you get experienced at the F2L you'll notice how > you don't need any strict step-by-step solving of this phase either. > For the beginner, however, I'd suggest looking through the algorithms > at www.rubiks.dk. Which is where I started. Should be more than enough > to help you get started at the F2L. > > Note that for you to be able to execute one of the algorithms, the > corner piece must either be on the last layer ("top" layer, if you > have the F2L on bottom, which I recommend) or already in its correct > position, same with the edge piece. There are no algorithms given for > when the corner or the edge or both reside "stuck away" in one of the > other F2L slots. If you ever reach a position where no F2L pair is > solvable due to each of them having one or both pieces "stuck away" > like this, you need to transfer the piece(s) in question to the top > layer and then proceed. > > As mentioned, when you get a feel of the F2L method, you really can > step out of this rigid rulebook and the F2L becomes more "fluid". > > Good luck on learning the LL algs, though! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "meat15k" <Nealo@b...> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been using the Petrus method for some time now. I have > > gotten my time down to abou 1 minute 5 seconds on average. I have > > heard good things about the Fridrich method and wanted to try it but > > I don't completely understand the diagrams and explaination of the > > method on Jessica Fridrich's homepage. Could anyone point out a > > better explaination or explain it better to me? I understand the > part > > of getting a cross on the bottom and getting corner and edge pairs > > locked into the four remaining corner positions on the first two > > layers but I don't know the fastest method to do this. Any help > would > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > -Nealo

hello....i have had my rubik's cube for a few months now...originally learned how to solve it using a link from chris hardwick's page (thanks, btw), and, although it is a beginner's solution, it is the method i used to get 1:13 (about, timing wasnt exact, and i doubt if i have recorded 12 times in a row yet) and I am interested in becoming faster. My current average (nowhere near exact, as i dont have any reliable way of timing it) is about a minute and a half, not counting lucky cases. I have been looking at various speedcubing methods, but am boggling at the amount of algorithms to memorize. I figure that once i get started, it wont be that difficult to memorize (i have a good, sharp memory), but its like climbing everest... :P anyways, I just wanted to say hello, and welcome myself ot the world of speedcubing. -Dale

I posted some of my strategies to solving the extended cross on my webpage a while back. You can read it at http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/f2l.html I really only described how I went from practicing forming a 2x2x2 into direct solving the extended cross. I gave a few examples in the examples section, but not very many. If you are interested in double extended cross solves, there is a 7 or 8 move double cross for my "difficult" example on my examples page. I gave a 10 move extended cross alg, but it turns out that a 7 or 8 move double extended cross exists for that scramble. For the double extended cross in general there really isn't much I can say other than to practice solving it a lot. I can step you though an example of one, but really you just have to practice them a lot. I used a double extended cross to get started for my blindfolded solve that I posted about earlier. Here was the scramble, B' F' D' F' B L' U2 F L2 B' R L F2 U' D' B' U B L2 D2 L' U2 B' R2 F and the double extended cross I found was L' R D2 L' F' U D' L B' Here's how I found it: 1) The first thing I noticed when I saw this scramble is that the BR pair is already placed together and is in DFL-DL. I also noticed that by doing the move L' I would form a 2x2x1 piece in the DL-DFL- DF postion. So after 1 move, L', I have a 2x2x1 piece and a 2x1x1 piece placed together. 2) The FR piece (the piece in FR when the cube is solved) can be placed into it's correct location with the alg D2 F' so I want to try to incorporate this into my solution somehow if I can 3) If I do L' D2 F' D' then I solve the FR 2x2x2 cube 4) If I do L' D2 L' F' D' I still form the 2x2x2, but I also put the BR edge pair into the U layer, giving me more freedom to move it around later should I need to. The DL piece is also in a good location, I only need to do L to solve it from here. Also notice that after applying that first alg, if I do U B' then I place BR into it's correct location (without the DB edge piece solved though). 5) from the very beginning of the scramble there is a way to setup the DB piece such that I can use it later. Do L' R from the very beginning scramble. This puts the DB edge piece ready to be solved with a B' move and still sets up my original move to solve the 2x2x2. If you read #4, using that move I can solve the BR edge piece with the move U B'. So if from the very beginning I do L' R then I am ready to solve the BR edge pair and the DB piece, after having already formed a 2x2x2. 6) Now we have the whole solution: a) L' R (form a 2x2x1 and place the DB piece ready to be solved with a B' move) b) D2 (the FR piece can now be solved with only a F' turn) c) L' (get the BR edge pair into the top layer so that it has more freedom to move later) d) F' (place the FR piece into its correct location and prepare the DL piece to be solved with only a L turn) e) U (form a 2x2x1 on the B face) f) D' (finish the 2x2x2 around FR) g) L (solve the DB piece) h) B' (solve the 2x2x1 on the back face with the rest of the F2L) And that's how I found that particular one. I really don't have much more advice for extended or double extended cross solves other than what is on my website. All I can say is to practice finding them on scrambles as much and as often as you can. After a while you get just as comfortable doing an extended cross solve as with a normal cross solve. Hope that helps some, Chris P.S. what is the X cross? Is that the same thing as extended cross? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "azinj05ieipih" <azinj05ieipih@y...> wrote: > Does anyone here know anysite or anywhere that can teach you or show > you how to do extended or double extended cross? or even the X cross. > Thanks alot! > > ~AZIN_J05IEIPIH

> is there a website with icons that is better than adam's solution? > any suggestions would be appreciated. If you really need to look at the icons to learn the algorithms, then you could just save the icons to your hard drive from his webpage and learn Fridrich your own way using the icons. Just goto: http://www.speedcubing.com/peter/ or a simlular page and learn his F2L and LL algorithms using the icons. I really think it would take less effort, however, for you to sit down and practice a bit with the notation. It seems akward at first, but with little practice you don't even have to think about the notation to exectute the algs. -Chris

Hi Stefan :-) What do u mean "4 rows" ?? I suppose u refer to the first diagram, but i can't figure out exactly what u mean. And by the way, how do u prepare ur Rubik's Clock?? Is it possible to use silicone somehow. Is there a trick to disassemble it perhaps ? -Per >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > You could use the commutator [F E' F2 E2 F, U2]. Assuming the *four* > rows in your diagram is a mistake ;-) > > Stefan

Updated Average: 50.055 Run was: 48.32 45.14 56.84 54.14 54.98 42.15 46.48 58.9 47.07 pop 46.14 58.25 42.25 Hmm I just don't think I can see the moves fast enough yet... like I can't decide fast enough whether to use one method of F2L or another method(especially in S2 and S4), so it ends up being faster to just use a set method, but then sometimes you lose time when another method would have been faster but I just couldn't recognize it in time. I probably need to work on looking for pieces for the next step while I'm still finishing the twist on previous step, but I'm happy where I am after like 2 months. Here's my short history: April 13th 1.16.79 1.28.03 1.08.79 1.11.20 54.7 pop 1.10.46 1.13.96 1.00.34 1.06.04 1.11.17 1.08.51 1.22.01 Average: 70.927 1.10.92 May 12th 54.76 56.62 59.29 57.51 55.26 56 59.98 51.81 59.78 45.03 56.25 48.7 Average: 55.08 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Milamber98 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > May 12th: 54.76 56.62 59.29 57.51 55.26 56 59.98 51.81 59.78 45.03 > 56.25 48.7 > > Average: 55.08 > > Amazingly no pop's, and never went over 1 minute, 59.98 was closest > though... > > > Anyway, just thought I'd post this as all my other averages were like > 1:15 ect.... > > So far fastest time is 34 seconds on a lucky case... > > I'm using petrus method and trying to get better at the F2L, but some > of the moves just require a ton of twisting and I'm not super fast on > that yet. > > > thanks for reading!

You guys make me feel so slow! 2 months after I started cubing, I was nowhere near under a minute with my times! How do you all improve so fast! I think it is lucky that I have 2 years practice over you, or you would all be kicking my behind I'm sure. Keep on practicing, you can all be under 30 seconds at least! (Most probably under 20 too) Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Milamber98 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Updated Average: 50.055 > > Run was: > > 48.32 45.14 56.84 54.14 54.98 42.15 46.48 58.9 47.07 > pop 46.14 58.25 42.25 > > > Hmm I just don't think I can see the moves fast enough yet... like I > can't decide fast enough whether to use one method of F2L or another > method(especially in S2 and S4), so it ends up being faster to just > use a set method, but then sometimes you lose time when another > method would have been faster but I just couldn't recognize it in > time. > > I probably need to work on looking for pieces for the next step while > I'm still finishing the twist on previous step, but I'm happy where I > am after like 2 months. > > Here's my short history: > > > April 13th 1.16.79 1.28.03 1.08.79 1.11.20 54.7 pop > 1.10.46 1.13.96 1.00.34 1.06.04 1.11.17 1.08.51 1.22.01 > Average: 70.927 1.10.92 > > > > May 12th 54.76 56.62 59.29 57.51 55.26 56 59.98 > 51.81 59.78 45.03 56.25 48.7 > Average: 55.08 > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Milamber98 > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > May 12th: 54.76 56.62 59.29 57.51 55.26 56 59.98 51.81 59.78 45.03 > > 56.25 48.7 > > > > Average: 55.08 > > > > Amazingly no pop's, and never went over 1 minute, 59.98 was closest > > though... > > > > > > Anyway, just thought I'd post this as all my other averages were > like > > 1:15 ect.... > > > > So far fastest time is 34 seconds on a lucky case... > > > > I'm using petrus method and trying to get better at the F2L, but > some > > of the moves just require a ton of twisting and I'm not super fast > on > > that yet. > > > > > > thanks for reading!

Hi Nealo, The method isn't very hard to understand. Try my site showing diagrams and explications. If you don't understand something feel free to contact me. http://www.speedcubing-diagrams.fr.vu The method consists in forming the cross, The first two layers, oriente all the cube of the last layer and place them to the good place. I hope it will help you. A+ Loic ----- Original Message ----- From: meat15k To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Fridrich Method Clarification Hi, I've been using the Petrus method for some time now. I have gotten my time down to abou 1 minute 5 seconds on average. I have heard good things about the Fridrich method and wanted to try it but I don't completely understand the diagrams and explaination of the method on Jessica Fridrich's homepage. Could anyone point out a better explaination or explain it better to me? I understand the part of getting a cross on the bottom and getting corner and edge pairs locked into the four remaining corner positions on the first two layers but I don't know the fastest method to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Nealo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, I have printouts of the PLL from fridrich's method...because i read somewhere that it would be good to learn PLL, then F2L, then OLL....correct me if im wrong. I have a question though - what do little letters mean? Dale --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bobthewoodcutter" <themagician@d...> wrote: > hello....i have had my rubik's cube for a few months now...originally > learned how to solve it using a link from chris hardwick's page > (thanks, btw), and, although it is a beginner's solution, it is the > method i used to get 1:13 (about, timing wasnt exact, and i doubt if i > have recorded 12 times in a row yet) and I am interested in becoming > faster. My current average (nowhere near exact, as i dont have any > reliable way of timing it) is about a minute and a half, not counting > lucky cases. I have been looking at various speedcubing methods, but > am boggling at the amount of algorithms to memorize. I figure that > once i get started, it wont be that difficult to memorize (i have a > good, sharp memory), but its like climbing everest... :P > > anyways, I just wanted to say hello, and welcome myself ot the world > of speedcubing. > > -Dale

I entirely agree with you !!! That's why I created a site with diagrams for the jessica fridrich's method. I think it's easier to learn many and many algorithms. http://www.speedcubing-diagrams.fr.vu A+ Loic ----- Original Message ----- From: tennisgh22 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:33 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] adam's solution what do you guys think of adam's solution? http://www.ai.sri.com/~cheyer/rubiks/rubiks.html its faster than the layer by layer, but not as fast as the fidrich. I like the website because i find it much easier to follow icons telling you what moves to do than just a series of letters like "F'L²B'R B L B'R'B". for some reason i just cant memorize patterns as well when they're in that letter form. right now i average about 1 minute 20 seconds using the layer by layer method. is there a website with icons that is better than adam's solution? any suggestions would be appreciated. -grant Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The 1x1x1 is just a die from some childrens game that I found and applied 4x4 stickers to. Jon --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey jon, > > That's a neat idea! (1x1x1) How big is it, and how did you make it? > (materials, colors, etc.) > > Austin > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I uploaded a couple of pictures to my folder in the Photos section. > > Two pics of the 1x1x1 cube that I made for my Mother-in-Law and > one > > pic of my collection. Although a few 3x3's and a 4x4 is missing > > from the collection picture. > > > > Jon

r means moving R and the middle slice next to it as well. .K. bobthewoodcutter <themagician@...> wrote: Well, I have printouts of the PLL from fridrich's method...because i read somewhere that it would be good to learn PLL, then F2L, then OLL....correct me if im wrong. I have a question though - what do little letters mean? Dale --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bobthewoodcutter" wrote: > hello....i have had my rubik's cube for a few months now...originally > learned how to solve it using a link from chris hardwick's page > (thanks, btw), and, although it is a beginner's solution, it is the > method i used to get 1:13 (about, timing wasnt exact, and i doubt if i > have recorded 12 times in a row yet) and I am interested in becoming > faster. My current average (nowhere near exact, as i dont have any > reliable way of timing it) is about a minute and a half, not counting > lucky cases. I have been looking at various speedcubing methods, but > am boggling at the amount of algorithms to memorize. I figure that > once i get started, it wont be that difficult to memorize (i have a > good, sharp memory), but its like climbing everest... :P > > anyways, I just wanted to say hello, and welcome myself ot the world > of speedcubing. > > -Dale Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you are using corners first, you can probably get fast enough just by learning the algs to permute/orient the second layer corners at once. I have been using : 1) First layer corners 2) First Layer edges(except one) 3) Second layer conrners in one look 4) Three second layer edges 5) Last first or second layer edge, whichever is fastest 6) Last remaining layer edge while orienting the middle edges 7) Position middle edges. I have been avg 23-24 with this method. Not sub-20 like some here, but then I wasn't able to do sub-20 using Fridrich either. You don't need to know a ton of algs for the above method but you have to spin lightning fast. Wayne --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bobthewoodcutter" <themagician@d...> wrote: > hello....i have had my rubik's cube for a few months now...originally > learned how to solve it using a link from chris hardwick's page > (thanks, btw), and, although it is a beginner's solution, it is the > method i used to get 1:13 (about, timing wasnt exact, and i doubt if i > have recorded 12 times in a row yet) and I am interested in becoming > faster. My current average (nowhere near exact, as i dont have any > reliable way of timing it) is about a minute and a half, not counting > lucky cases. I have been looking at various speedcubing methods, but > am boggling at the amount of algorithms to memorize. I figure that > once i get started, it wont be that difficult to memorize (i have a > good, sharp memory), but its like climbing everest... :P > > anyways, I just wanted to say hello, and welcome myself ot the world > of speedcubing. > > -Dale

i would use the sollution at http://lar5.com/cube/

Amazingly I got under 1 minute that fast because I wanted to beat this kid at school who would do it in 1 min 10. Then when I beat him with 47 seconds he started trying to beat me again and mainly I just wanted to stay on top of him :D I mostly never look ahead on my steps, I probably just have the advantage of fast twisting speed, with looking ahead I'm sure i'll break the 30 seconds average mark. The only steps where I look infront are transition from step 2-3 which makes it look like 1 step. With the Petrus method, you should be able to enter the last edge/corner piece (4B) in maximum 2 seconds, go all speed for that one. I also look for 3-4. When you can easily look for the corner you need (I just watch for the corner, the edges are easier). After you're done orienting edges you can already attempt to match the corner to an edge. Keep going, the if you've reached 55 seconds, you'll reach 40 in no time. Under that is the big deal.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "speedster0909" <speedster0909@y...> wrote: > i would use the sollution at http://lar5.com/cube/ I would too. The Petrus method is a simple yet very efficient. After you can start blending it with other methods.

oh...ok. thanks! :D -Dale --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > r means moving R and the middle slice next to it as well. > .K. > > bobthewoodcutter <themagician@d...> wrote: > Well, I have printouts of the PLL from fridrich's method...because i > read somewhere that it would be good to learn PLL, then F2L, then > OLL....correct me if im wrong. > > I have a question though - what do little letters mean? > > Dale > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bobthewoodcutter" > wrote: > > hello....i have had my rubik's cube for a few months now...originally > > learned how to solve it using a link from chris hardwick's page > > (thanks, btw), and, although it is a beginner's solution, it is the > > method i used to get 1:13 (about, timing wasnt exact, and i doubt if i > > have recorded 12 times in a row yet) and I am interested in becoming > > faster. My current average (nowhere near exact, as i dont have any > > reliable way of timing it) is about a minute and a half, not counting > > lucky cases. I have been looking at various speedcubing methods, but > > am boggling at the amount of algorithms to memorize. I figure that > > once i get started, it wont be that difficult to memorize (i have a > > good, sharp memory), but its like climbing everest... :P > > > > anyways, I just wanted to say hello, and welcome myself ot the world > > of speedcubing. > > > > -Dale > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, i was looking at the fridrich method, and it looks like it wouldnt be that difficult, either....ill have a go at petrus's method, though. Dale --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "speedster0909" > <speedster0909@y...> wrote: > > i would use the sollution at http://lar5.com/cube/ > > I would too. The Petrus method is a simple yet very efficient. After > you can start blending it with other methods.

If you think you can start directly with the Fridrich Method, have a go at it, but it only becomes efficient if you understand how the algorithms are conceived. If you start a bit the Petrus Method, the Fridrich will come very fast.

http://jeays.net/rubiks.htm the second one there is THE BEST beginner's solution... it is a very good solution which you can implement on any type of cube and is the groundworks for many much more advanced solutions. my $.02 -cubekid pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If you think you can start directly with the Fridrich Method, have a go at it, but it only becomes efficient if you understand how the algorithms are conceived. If you start a bit the Petrus Method, the Fridrich will come very fast. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When I first started cubing, (18 months ago roughly), there weren't really that many people that were breaking 20 seconds on average. Currently however, there are plenty of people doing it. I always figured that if you were sub-20 you were part of an 'elite' group of cubers. With people breaking 16 seconds now, does breaking 20 really put you in an extraordinary position in the cubing community? I suppose it's all a matter or judgment, or perception. I'm using F2L and a 3 look right now. (i still have to learn about half of the orientations.) Tonight I broke my previous PB average. It ended up being 21.52 seconds. 21.7 21.67 29.42 POP 20.77 19.97 22.06 19.22 23.1 20.1 22.97 22.88 19.99 We won't pay attention to that 29.42 that snuck in there :P Of course, a personal best average doesn't represent a persons consistent times. Usually my times are floating around 23 seconds. A better understanding of the F2L has made cubing a little faster when I'm 'in the zone'. Anyway, sorry about the long post, but I figured I'd throw something out here on the forum. Good luck with cubing! :) =Richard

I just ordered myself a 2x2, 4x4, and 5x5 last night to give me something to do over the summer. Does anyone have any solving videos of the 4x4 or 5x5...I want to watch someone solve 'em. I've managed to drop my 3x3 average down to 31.19 seconds (I started 1-1-04) and I want to see someone solve the 4x4 or 5x5, quickly, for a little motivation :) -Chris

Take a look, it 's the world champion http://rokumentai.akimoto3.com/indexe.htm ... Regards Guillaume. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I just ordered myself a 2x2, 4x4, and 5x5 last night to give me > something to do over the summer. Does anyone have any solving videos > of the 4x4 or 5x5...I want to watch someone solve 'em. I've managed > to drop my 3x3 average down to 31.19 seconds (I started 1-1-04) and I > want to see someone solve the 4x4 or 5x5, quickly, for a little > motivation :) > > -Chris

Looks like you'll be sub20 soon! Good Luck with that. Just out of interest, if your times are only just over 20 secs, and you use a 3 look LL, what does that make your F2L times like? DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > When I first started cubing, (18 months ago roughly), there weren't > really that many people that were breaking 20 seconds on average. > Currently however, there are plenty of people doing it. I always > figured that if you were sub-20 you were part of an 'elite' group of > cubers. With people breaking 16 seconds now, does breaking 20 > really put you in an extraordinary position in the cubing > community? I suppose it's all a matter or judgment, or perception. > I'm using F2L and a 3 look right now. (i still have to learn about > half of the orientations.) Tonight I broke my previous PB average. > > It ended up being 21.52 seconds. > 21.7 21.67 29.42 POP 20.77 19.97 22.06 19.22 23.1 20.1 22.97 22.88 > 19.99 > > We won't pay attention to that 29.42 that snuck in there :P > > Of course, a personal best average doesn't represent a persons > consistent times. Usually my times are floating around 23 seconds. > A better understanding of the F2L has made cubing a little faster > when I'm 'in the zone'. Anyway, sorry about the long post, but I > figured I'd throw something out here on the forum. > > Good luck with cubing! :) > > =Richard

> Does ZB really have a single algorithm approach for PE + CO+P? I figured > If it does and the algorithms are > known then I will have a look around and steal them to make mine a definite > 1 look method. http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ check this site, DD nice method, by the way :) can anyone tell me what software can I use to find algs ignoring permutation?

F2L: 13 seconds O/E: 02 seconds O/C: 02 seconds PLL: 03 seconds Ttl: 20 seconds 1.5-3.0 seconds too for transitions and such 21.5-23.0 Total --- Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > Looks like you'll be sub20 soon! > > Good Luck with that. Just out of interest, if your > times are only > just over 20 secs, and you use a 3 look LL, what > does that make your > F2L times like? > > DanH :) > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "richy_jr_2000" > <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > When I first started cubing, (18 months ago > roughly), there > weren't > > really that many people that were breaking 20 > seconds on average. > > Currently however, there are plenty of people > doing it. I always > > figured that if you were sub-20 you were part of > an 'elite' group > of > > cubers. With people breaking 16 seconds now, does > breaking 20 > > really put you in an extraordinary position in the > cubing > > community? I suppose it's all a matter or > judgment, or > perception. > > I'm using F2L and a 3 look right now. (i still > have to learn > about > > half of the orientations.) Tonight I broke my > previous PB average. > > > > It ended up being 21.52 seconds. > > 21.7 21.67 29.42 POP 20.77 19.97 22.06 19.22 23.1 > 20.1 22.97 22.88 > > 19.99 > > > > We won't pay attention to that 29.42 that snuck in > there :P > > > > Of course, a personal best average doesn't > represent a persons > > consistent times. Usually my times are floating > around 23 > seconds. > > A better understanding of the F2L has made cubing > a little faster > > when I'm 'in the zone'. Anyway, sorry about the > long post, but I > > figured I'd throw something out here on the forum. > > > > > Good luck with cubing! :) > > > > =Richard > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

Hi Per :-) > What do u mean "4 rows" ?? I suppose u refer to the first diagram, > but i can't figure out exactly what u mean. This diagram looks like a 5x4x? to me: > r r w r r > r r r r r > r r r r r > r r y r r > And by the way, how do u prepare ur Rubik's Clock?? Is it possible to > use silicone somehow. Is there a trick to disassemble it perhaps ? Break it ;-) Well, that's what I did. It's glued together so I don't see another way. But if you do it carefully you can do it with only very little damage. I can post pictures later of my clock with which I did this. I used a sharp rectangular knife like this one: http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/images/Center_Remove.JPG However, my current records at speedcubing.com (9.03 single, 10.59 average) and at the German Open (9.54) were all done on an unprepared clock! Cheers! Stefan

> Quite a few people can do the extended > cross and sometimes even double-extended cross. Wow ... do you mean in the 15 seconds inspection? Can you name a few of those people? I think even Jessica once wrote somewhere that she can't always plan the whole cross, so people who can do an extended cross on a regular basis, that's news to me and I'd like to learn more about it (will read Chris's F2L page now...). Cheers! Stefan

As I say, 'leap of faith'. No, I know this idea is a bit far fetched. I would be interested to hear from people like chris hardwick though on how much inspection time he would need to do step one (I'm sure someone could do this in say an hour!). And could that time ever be minimised enough with a lot of practice to use this method ? Also I'm not too sure about how efficient the second layer would be but I'm still interested to know if anyone can do a 'one look first layer' just for the hell of it. Party on, Jim

Remember back when they said "billions of combinations"? Today I saw the German text on the 3x3 box says "43 Quintillionen (10^30)" ;-) Not to mention the invalid cube pictures ;-) Cheers! Stefan

Hey Jim, Interesting idea for a new cube method. I also read your post about whether or not it would be possible to solve the first layer in one look, so I'll mention my thoughts on that too. As far as inspecting and solving the first layer in one look, I think it would be possible but rather difficult. You have to follow and track 8 pieces in your head during inspection to try to solve the first layer like that, which is equivalent to doing a double extended cross (2x2x3 and one other edge or two 2x2x2's on opposite edges of the cube). I have done double extended cross solves before with only 15 seconds of inspection, and gotten fast times, however those cases are very, very rare. You have to already have a corner/edge pair put together and some first layer edges already in the first layer, or a very easy to solve 2x2x2 setup in order to even consider doing a double extended cross solve. The analog to this in your method would be to already have 2 or 3 pieces placed together, such that you can manuever them into their correct spots easily. You might be able to figure out half of the first layer during inspection, and try to look ahead to do that rest when you start solving. If you're interested in this just in general I would estimate that you could solve the first layer in one look with 5-20 minutes of inspection every time depending on how hard of a case it is. If it is one of those very rare easier cases you could do it in 15 seconds, so it all depends. As far as solving the middle edges once you have the first layer done, I think that would possibly be efficient, however it might take a lot of algs to memorize. After finishing the F2L there are 8*7*4 = 224 positions that any two given middle layer edges can be in. If you take out rotational symmetries of spinning the cube with the move y then you'll probably get around 56 positions. There will of course be other symmetries and things like that to reduce this number, but you may end up having to learn around 100 algs including inverses and reflections and all. For the last two edges, and orientations of the top layer edges there are 2*6*5*32 = 1920 total positions the cube can be in. Again there will be things like symmetries to reduce this number, but it will still probably end up being a large number of algs. Doing the LL as per the ZB method takes a lot of algs to memorize already, so in total this method will probably be extremely fast however it will take a very large number of algs to be memorized. As a rough guess I'd say 550-600 algs. ------------------- Also to clear things up a bit, I do use the extended cross approach frequently when I'm solving and even on timed speedsolves, but only if things are already set up fairly well for me. If they aren't, I definitely solve using just the cross. I can't solve using the extended cross every time and get good averages. I've read that Macky and some others use the extended cross, and maybe they can do this, but I definitely can't. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lordmorrisonofcoventry" <jimmorrison101@h...> wrote: > I've got an idea for a method to do the cube in just 4 looks. > Read on, you might think the idea is rubbish but at least you will > have a good laugh. > So remember where you heard it first :-) > > 1. Do the whole of the first face in one look. (calm down, I'll > explain later). > 2. Solve two of the second layer edges in one move. > 3. Solve the other two second layer edges and orient the last layer > edges in one move. > 4. Orient last layer corners and permute last layer edges and > corners in one move (as per ZB method). > > I don't know how many turns this would take (I'd guess about 45) but > at least there arent many looks (3 less than the standard Fridrich > method) so pauses would be cut down. > 'Yes but step 1 is impossible' I hear you say. You may well be > correct but I think that it might be possible for an extremely > gifted and dedicated cubist. Quite a few people can do the extended > cross and sometimes even double-extended cross. I think step 1 might > be slightly easier than the double extended cross because all the > pieces you are trying to follow in your head during planning have > the same color on them. > This may never work but I think if people ever want to get down > closer to 10 seconds it's going to take a real leap of faith. > Anyway that's it. Fell free to laugh out loud. > Cheers, > Jim

The only easy-to-follow methods for solving the 4x4 and 5x5 I have be able to find are on this page: http://jjorg.chem.unc.edu/personal/monroe/cube/rubik.html My question is, What methods are people currently using to solve the 4x4 and 5x5? Should I spend my time learning the above methods, or are there more effiecient methods floating around somewhere that would be more usefull to look at. Thanks all. -Chris

Ok Thanks a lot for that. To be honest with you I'm not even going to attempt this, I'm way too lazy but it's interesting stuff anyway. I might try to get a one look first layer just to see if I can do it. I suppose it will take me a long time though. Overall I'll stick with the Fridrich method. I just got a new best average of 27.88 secs. Cheers, Jim

I have an article on www.speedcubing.com/ton about Mark Longridge, a Canadian speedcuber, collector and puzzle builder Ton

I wouldn't be able to make it to Pasadena. Thanks, Will --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Everyone is invited to the tournament in Pasadena on July 10. Would > you guys be interested in crowning a Canadian championship at the > tournament also? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 13, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Will Pearson wrote: > > > Anyone know if a Canadian Championships is in the works? I'd love to > > compete. I don't think enough people would show up though :( > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Small update: New Average: 44.47583333 SECONDS!!!!!! Finally a run taken when I wasn't tired or distracted. My 2x2x2 is alot faster, and I'm thinking about learning some sequences to solve 4 or 6 bad edges instead of doing them in pairs of 2.... Thanks for reading, good luck with your cubing everyone! May 18th 37.17 47.79 42.79 47.37 37.71 45.37 44.79 50 pop 42.17 43.7 49.78 45.07 Average: 44.47583333 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Amazingly I got under 1 minute that fast because I wanted to beat > this kid at school who would do it in 1 min 10. Then when I beat him > with 47 seconds he started trying to beat me again and mainly I just > wanted to stay on top of him :D > > I mostly never look ahead on my steps, I probably just have the > advantage of fast twisting speed, with looking ahead I'm sure i'll > break the 30 seconds average mark. > > The only steps where I look infront are transition from step 2-3 > which makes it look like 1 step. > > With the Petrus method, you should be able to enter the last > edge/corner piece (4B) in maximum 2 seconds, go all speed for that > one. > > I also look for 3-4. When you can easily look for the corner you need > (I just watch for the corner, the edges are easier). After you're > done orienting edges you can already attempt to match the corner to > an edge. > > Keep going, the if you've reached 55 seconds, you'll reach 40 in no > time. Under that is the big deal.

Well, get this. I began using the first solution, and got about halfway through memorizing it, but i got stuck somewhere....so for some reason i went to nerdparadise.com...and i finished off with that method. if you want any idea of how fast ive gotten this method down - here is an average i got during first period today... 70.67, 65.02, 63.86, 58.90, 66.02, 56.66, (44.07), 51.17, 66.62, 70.70, 62.57, 57.62, (75.50) => 61.92 That 44.07 was actually not a lucky solve, i just had the easiest cases for each step (that is, the fastest for me). I don't consider it a lucky solve, because i sort of molded the two part OLL into one...even though it is still basically two steps. Also, it is thirteen solves, but im too lazy to re-average it. I used the Cube Timer program off of this website. The only real problem i have with this method is that i only have one algorithm for OLL, which is something like R'U'RU'R'U2R (i solve with the cross on the bottom). Basically, there are only like twelve possible posititions of the corners using this pattern, but the obvious problem is that there is only one orientation in which you can get this algorithm to orient the corners correctly, so you end up having to do the algorithm multiple times, with U turns or cube turns to get the orientation cases right. I am, however, considering pursuing Petrus's method, because it doesn't seem to be too hard (at least, i think). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sapan you <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > http://jeays.net/rubiks.htm > the second one there is THE BEST beginner's solution... it is a very good solution which you can implement on any type of cube and is the groundworks for many much more advanced solutions. > > my $.02 > > -cubekid

For step 3, there arent "sequences" to learn but rather how the move works, then you can do it REALLY fast and just save a move because you've spotted it while turning. As you know, you can both do R and R- to fix the edges. If you do R U R-, then the edge that was initially at the UR still remains there, if its not well oriented, you can then follow doing : R U R2 (instead of R-) and like F- R to fix the Originally at DF. Its basically learning how it works, I doubt the sequences there will help you go quicker. Instead learn the 4B sequences.

I took it apart and I didn't really pay attention. How do you put it back together? I tried, but it doesn't turn some ways.

yea,... the first solution really kinda sucks... but the second solution is really good... like i had started with the first solution and it usually took me about 2 minutes... but after a week with the second solution, i was down to sub-minute times. but the petrus method is good too, except you have to rely a lot on intuition. anyways, whichever one you choose, itll be better than the first solution. -cubekid bobthewoodcutter <themagician@...> wrote: Well, get this. I began using the first solution, and got about halfway through memorizing it, but i got stuck somewhere....so for some reason i went to nerdparadise.com...and i finished off with that method. if you want any idea of how fast ive gotten this method down - here is an average i got during first period today... 70.67, 65.02, 63.86, 58.90, 66.02, 56.66, (44.07), 51.17, 66.62, 70.70, 62.57, 57.62, (75.50) => 61.92 That 44.07 was actually not a lucky solve, i just had the easiest cases for each step (that is, the fastest for me). I don't consider it a lucky solve, because i sort of molded the two part OLL into one...even though it is still basically two steps. Also, it is thirteen solves, but im too lazy to re-average it. I used the Cube Timer program off of this website. The only real problem i have with this method is that i only have one algorithm for OLL, which is something like R'U'RU'R'U2R (i solve with the cross on the bottom). Basically, there are only like twelve possible posititions of the corners using this pattern, but the obvious problem is that there is only one orientation in which you can get this algorithm to orient the corners correctly, so you end up having to do the algorithm multiple times, with U turns or cube turns to get the orientation cases right. I am, however, considering pursuing Petrus's method, because it doesn't seem to be too hard (at least, i think). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sapan you <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > http://jeays.net/rubiks.htm > the second one there is THE BEST beginner's solution... it is a very good solution which you can implement on any type of cube and is the groundworks for many much more advanced solutions. > > my $.02 > > -cubekid Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually there is a lot less than that. The move you mention is a "Sune". You can do it both ways, like, with your left hand or with your right hand. Which cuts a few positions. And, also, doing sunes, the MAXIMUM number of times you'll have to do it is TWICE to have all the corners oriented. Since the move takes basically 1.5 seconds to do.. its not much of a problem.

wow...you're right. I've taken a closer look at the Petrus method (specifically, held my cube and gone along with the method a couple of times) heh, i think its cool that so many methods use certain algorithms and move sets together. well...ill get working on the petrus method.

I guess they did a bad translation from an american page then because in the American system Quintillion = 10 ^ 18 http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Quintillion.html Terje -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Pochmann [mailto:pochmann@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:53 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] 43 * 10^30 ?!? Remember back when they said "billions of combinations"? Today I saw the German text on the 3x3 box says "43 Quintillionen (10^30)" ;-) Not to mention the invalid cube pictures ;-) Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Got my first sub-30 average today. 29.19 seconds. :) I realized that the 'slower' I solved the cube, the faster my times were. Strange. I read everywhere to slow down the F2L...so I gave it a try, and it worked. thanks all. -Chris

Hello guys, Which methode that I must use to solve 2x2x2 quickly? Thank's. Guillaume.

Aha!! That is not my diagram ;-) Well anyway i have come up with a way to do those 2 cases that are both of them pure 3-cycles. The alg given in the second of my pictures/diagrams was really a 5-cycle (see Photos/Per_5x5x5). Here are the new algs written in commutator notation: 1: [U',MB'd2BM'] 2: [U',r'B'd2Br] They are not in any way optimised for speed, just clean solutions :-) Not sure if i dare to break my Clock. On my clock (original Matchbox) it seems the upper and lower part are not glued together, but there are 4 points of "screw-welding"/snaplock. Anyhow it looks like that ;- ) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Hi Per :-) > > > What do u mean "4 rows" ?? I suppose u refer to the first diagram, > > but i can't figure out exactly what u mean. > > This diagram looks like a 5x4x? to me: > > > r r w r r > > r r r r r > > r r r r r > > r r y r r > > > And by the way, how do u prepare ur Rubik's Clock?? Is it possible > to > > use silicone somehow. Is there a trick to disassemble it perhaps ? > > Break it ;-) > > Well, that's what I did. It's glued together so I don't see another > way. But if you do it carefully you can do it with only very little > damage. I can post pictures later of my clock with which I did this. I > used a sharp rectangular knife like this one: > http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/images/Center_Remove.JPG > > However, my current records at speedcubing.com (9.03 single, 10.59 > average) and at the German Open (9.54) were all done on an unprepared > clock! > > Cheers! > Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "becubik" <becubik@y...> wrote: > Which methode that I must use to solve 2x2x2 quickly? If it is a fast solution that you are after, then you could use the 2-look method that I use. First I solve the bottom layer intuitively, much like you would solve the cross on a 3x3x3. Then I solve the final layer in one look, using one of 40 odd COLL algorithms (which I also use for the 3x3x3) These Orient and Permute the corners simultaneously, thus solving the layer in one go. Dan :) - www.cubestation.co.uk

Ok Dan :o) ! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "becubik" > <becubik@y...> wrote: > > > Which methode that I must use to solve 2x2x2 quickly? > > If it is a fast solution that you are after, then you could use the > 2-look method that I use. > > First I solve the bottom layer intuitively, much like you would > solve the cross on a 3x3x3. Then I solve the final layer in one > look, using one of 40 odd COLL algorithms (which I also use for the > 3x3x3) These Orient and Permute the corners simultaneously, thus > solving the layer in one go. > > Dan :) - www.cubestation.co.uk

What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped 8 pieces at once! This cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I can just as well start with a corner as with an edge. And frequently I find that I rotate a corner while solving, too! While performing a finger trick a corner just rotates about while in its place... I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad too loose... Share your extreme looseness experiences... :)

my friend rishi kumar popped all but the axis on his old cube during one lunchtime. we laughed so hard. =] - richard --- betrayedfiber <htkra1d@...> wrote: > What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? > > I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped 8 > pieces at once! This > cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I can > just as well start > with a corner as with an edge. And frequently I find > that I rotate a > corner while solving, too! While performing a finger > trick a corner > just rotates about while in its place... > > I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad too > loose... > > Share your extreme looseness experiences... :) > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

Whatever you do don't throw that cube away. If you have any interest in one handed 3x3x3 cubing at all, then your cube is just about perfect for it. My one handed cube used to be my main speedcube. However, it too got to the point where I would rotate a corner by hitting it during a finger trick, things like that. Once a cube starts to get as loose as yours is, it's pretty much perfect for one handed cubing. So whatever you do, don't think that it is "worn out" or "too old". It's actually just starting to turn into a good cube :) Chris P.S. I too popped about 8 pieces off my loose cube one time, so I know the feeling :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? > > I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped 8 pieces at once! This > cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I can just as well start > with a corner as with an edge. And frequently I find that I rotate a > corner while solving, too! While performing a finger trick a corner > just rotates about while in its place... > > I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad too loose... > > Share your extreme looseness experiences... :)

Really... one handed... I've got to try that once. Well, you see, I recently switched to my "backup" cube (one I just had lying around) which is really equally smooth and doesn't pop nearly as much. But this cube lacks the orange center cap, so I got that center cap from my pop-a-lot cube. So my "one handed cube" now has a big gaping black hole instead of an orange center sticker. I guess it's ok for practice, but ... well ... I guess you know. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Whatever you do don't throw that cube away. If you have any > interest in one handed 3x3x3 cubing at all, then your cube is just > about perfect for it. My one handed cube used to be my main > speedcube. However, it too got to the point where I would rotate a > corner by hitting it during a finger trick, things like that. > > Once a cube starts to get as loose as yours is, it's pretty much > perfect for one handed cubing. So whatever you do, don't think that > it is "worn out" or "too old". It's actually just starting to turn > into a good cube :) > > Chris > > P.S. I too popped about 8 pieces off my loose cube one time, so I > know the feeling :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" > <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > > What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? > > > > I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped 8 pieces at once! > This > > cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I can just as well > start > > with a corner as with an edge. And frequently I find that I rotate > a > > corner while solving, too! While performing a finger trick a > corner > > just rotates about while in its place... > > > > I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad too loose... > > > > Share your extreme looseness experiences... :)

Hi, since some people are currently searching for their own methods to solve the cube (or trying to improve some particular steps) I have released a new version of my ACube program - 3.1a. It requires only Java runtime 1.1+ installed and can be run on any Java enabled platform. The program accepts incomplete cube configurations - can ignore permutation and/or orientation of specified cubies - supports quarter, face, and slice turn metrics - supports slice moves - suports defining leading and trailing moves not counted in a solution (e.g. leading and trailing U turs in OLL of F2L) - turns allowed in a solution can be restricted (e.g. to U, M, and R turns for Waterman's method or to U, D, R2, L2, F2, and B2 for Rubik's domino) - allows searching for optimal or sub-optimal (Kociemba-like) sequences in the supported metrics Warning: the program is controlled from command line and defining the proper input is quite tricky... The link is: http://software.rubikscube.info/JACube/index.html I would appreciate any comments and bu reports. Josef

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gogeta1500" <Gogeta1500@y...> wrote: > I took it apart and I didn't really pay attention. How do you put it > back together? I tried, but it doesn't turn some ways. The problem is that three axes are fixed (the small black boxes with four pins have square shaped holes) and one corner should be fixed in the position between those fixed axes. It is done using two bigger and one little different pie shaped pieces (the latter is hard to distinguish). Try to find these three pie pieces and use them for the fixed corner. Josef

Seeing from the features this looks like a really useful piece of software. Such a shame I don't have (and can't get) Java on this computer. And besides, no graphical interface is a serious drawback... :( Sounds great though... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Josef Jelinek" <gloom@e...> wrote: > Hi, > > since some people are currently searching for their own methods > to solve the cube (or trying to improve some particular steps) > I have released a new version of my ACube program - 3.1a. > It requires only Java runtime 1.1+ installed and > can be run on any Java enabled platform. > > The program accepts incomplete cube configurations > - can ignore permutation and/or orientation of specified cubies > - supports quarter, face, and slice turn metrics > - supports slice moves > - suports defining leading and trailing moves not counted > in a solution (e.g. leading and trailing U turs in OLL of F2L) > - turns allowed in a solution can be restricted > (e.g. to U, M, and R turns for Waterman's method or > to U, D, R2, L2, F2, and B2 for Rubik's domino) > - allows searching for optimal or sub-optimal (Kociemba-like) > sequences in the supported metrics > > Warning: the program is controlled from command line and > defining the proper input is quite tricky... > > The link is: > http://software.rubikscube.info/JACube/index.html > > I would appreciate any comments and bu reports. > > Josef

Have to agree with Chris. The main thing holding back my twohanded times is the extreme looseness of my cube because I solve one-handed mostly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Record pop > Really... one handed... I've got to try that once. Well, you see, I > recently switched to my "backup" cube (one I just had lying around) > which is really equally smooth and doesn't pop nearly as much. But > this cube lacks the orange center cap, so I got that center cap from > my pop-a-lot cube. So my "one handed cube" now has a big gaping black > hole instead of an orange center sticker. I guess it's ok for > practice, but ... well ... I guess you know. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > Whatever you do don't throw that cube away. If you have any > > interest in one handed 3x3x3 cubing at all, then your cube is just > > about perfect for it. My one handed cube used to be my main > > speedcube. However, it too got to the point where I would rotate a > > corner by hitting it during a finger trick, things like that. > > > > Once a cube starts to get as loose as yours is, it's pretty much > > perfect for one handed cubing. So whatever you do, don't think that > > it is "worn out" or "too old". It's actually just starting to turn > > into a good cube :) > > > > Chris > > > > P.S. I too popped about 8 pieces off my loose cube one time, so I > > know the feeling :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" > > <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > > > What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? > > > > > > I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped 8 pieces at once! > > This > > > cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I can just as well > > start > > > with a corner as with an edge. And frequently I find that I rotate > > a > > > corner while solving, too! While performing a finger trick a > > corner > > > just rotates about while in its place... > > > > > > I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad too loose... > > > > > > Share your extreme looseness experiences... :) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Thats awesome Richard! Congrats on your new AV!!! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson < richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > F2L: 13 seconds > O/E: 02 seconds > O/C: 02 seconds > PLL: 03 seconds > Ttl: 20 seconds > 1.5-3.0 seconds too for transitions and such > 21.5-23.0 Total > --- Dan <dan_j_harris@n...> wrote: > > Looks like you'll be sub20 soon! > > > > Good Luck with that. Just out of interest, if your > > times are only > > just over 20 secs, and you use a 3 look LL, what > > does that make your > > F2L times like? > > > > DanH :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "richy_jr_2000" > > <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > > When I first started cubing, (18 months ago > > roughly), there > > weren't > > > really that many people that were breaking 20 > > seconds on average. > > > Currently however, there are plenty of people > > doing it. I always > > > figured that if you were sub-20 you were part of > > an 'elite' group > > of > > > cubers. With people breaking 16 seconds now, does > > breaking 20 > > > really put you in an extraordinary position in the > > cubing > > > community? I suppose it's all a matter or > > judgment, or > > perception. > > > I'm using F2L and a 3 look right now. (i still > > have to learn > > about > > > half of the orientations.) Tonight I broke my > > previous PB average. > > > > > > It ended up being 21.52 seconds. > > > 21.7 21.67 29.42 POP 20.77 19.97 22.06 19.22 23.1 > > 20.1 22.97 22.88 > > > 19.99 > > > > > > We won't pay attention to that 29.42 that snuck in > > there :P > > > > > > Of course, a personal best average doesn't > > represent a persons > > > consistent times. Usually my times are floating > > around 23 > > seconds. > > > A better understanding of the F2L has made cubing > > a little faster > > > when I'm 'in the zone'. Anyway, sorry about the > > long post, but I > > > figured I'd throw something out here on the forum. > > > > > > > > Good luck with cubing! :) > > > > > > =Richard > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Got my first sub-30 average today. 29.19 seconds. :) > > I realized that the 'slower' I solved the cube, the faster my times > were. Strange. I read everywhere to slow down the F2L...so I gave it > a try, and it worked. thanks all. > > -Chris Great result, slowing down is the best way to practice your look-a- head for the F2L. After a while you can speedup your turning. I normally practice without timing but it is about 32 seconds (my avarage is 28), only when setting a new avarage I first warm-up with a few slow sloves. And then start turning as fast as I can. Ton

the input is not too tricky, just takes too much time. graphical interface would be great. good program and very usefull, as usual, Josef --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > Seeing from the features this looks like a really useful piece of > software. Such a shame I don't have (and can't get) Java on this > computer. > > And besides, no graphical interface is a serious drawback... :( > > Sounds great though... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Josef Jelinek" > <gloom@e...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > since some people are currently searching for their own methods > > to solve the cube (or trying to improve some particular steps) > > I have released a new version of my ACube program - 3.1a. > > It requires only Java runtime 1.1+ installed and > > can be run on any Java enabled platform. > > > > The program accepts incomplete cube configurations > > - can ignore permutation and/or orientation of specified cubies > > - supports quarter, face, and slice turn metrics > > - supports slice moves > > - suports defining leading and trailing moves not counted > > in a solution (e.g. leading and trailing U turs in OLL of F2L) > > - turns allowed in a solution can be restricted > > (e.g. to U, M, and R turns for Waterman's method or > > to U, D, R2, L2, F2, and B2 for Rubik's domino) > > - allows searching for optimal or sub-optimal (Kociemba-like) > > sequences in the supported metrics > > > > Warning: the program is controlled from command line and > > defining the proper input is quite tricky... > > > > The link is: > > http://software.rubikscube.info/JACube/index.html > > > > I would appreciate any comments and bu reports. > > > > Josef

ok i nee dquite i a few things i dunno if ill be able to think of them all. well i started earlier this month with te solution on nerdparadise.com or whatever becuase all the other ones were too hard for me to understand. if you are not familiar with it then its just a simple way of looking at the layer by layer method.SO my average is about 1 minute 20-30 seconds but in sum lucky ocassions ive gotten 54- 56 seconds, is there any way of simply learning more algorithms for bottom layer or anyhting else you can think of to drastically change my time, prefereably under a minute. OR anything else you may think will help me. as far as lubing my cube i only very lightly put vaseline on the inside edges and whatnot being afraid of the results, i havent had any problems but i think it can be better. should i use a silicone spray, if so what kind or wheres and easy place to get it. also the platic layers on my stickersa are coming off and ive already had to use sum paint pen to fix it. wats an easy way to fix that problem, ive heard of vinyl tape, but can you buy all the colors and will they not fall off. also to do with the first subject, what are sum finger movements i could use and wat is this F2L thing i hear so much about... anyways thanks -clayno

I too use that method, and, although its not very good ive gotten my times with it down to about a minute 10 secs on average. I also solve with the cross on the bottom, because it gives the freedom for finger tricks. Like the guys here told me, you should take a look at the Petrus method...at http://www.lar5.com/cube i think. It will be a different way of solving the cube (its a corners first method), but it will teach you how to form your own algorithms, and you can blend his algorithms smoothly with most others. As for lubrication, use silicone spray. I bought a big can of it at wal-mart for about 3 dollars, and it will probably last me years. One thing though, before the silicone dries it will act like a glue...making it harder to turn. However, if you just cube with it, or dry it out using a hair-dryer, then once it dries, it will turn much easier, and the lube will last for months. As for the stickers, mine are coming off as well, but im not too worried about it. as long as i can still distinguish the colors i don't want to replace them. I've heard vinyl tape is pretty good. some people even paint theirs. If you're worried about colors, you have to remember that your cube doesnt have to have the same color patterns as everyone elses. For finger tricks, go to dan knight's page at http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/CubeInfo1.html#hints , he even has videos of the tricks, to help you. Here is a rundown of the acronyms: F2L: This just stands for 'First two layers', and refers to algorithms used to place a number of cubies in their respective spots in the F2L. The F2L in any solve are usually the slowest, because you have to look for the colors, and where they are, and all that. OLL: Orientation of Last Layer: This is just algorithms to flip and twist cubies as necessary to get the LL color on the actual LL. PLL: Permutation of Last Layer: These algorithms are used to permute (move) the corners and edges of the LL, so that they are in the right spot, regarless of orientation. Some moves will flip orientations, some wont. Well, after that longwinded response, i hope i answered everything...if not, tell me, and i'll help in any way that i can. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > ok i nee dquite i a few things i dunno if ill be able to think of > them all.

Like the guys here told me, you should take a look at the > Petrus method...at http://www.lar5.com/cube i think. It will be a > different way of solving the cube (its a corners first method), but it > will teach you how to form your own algorithms, and you can blend his > algorithms smoothly with most others. I dont know what you've been reading but this is NOT a corners first method. This is a f2L method very close to the Fridrich.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Like the guys here told me, you should take a look at the > > Petrus method...at http://www.lar5.com/cube i think. It will be a > > different way of solving the cube (its a corners first method), but > it > > will teach you how to form your own algorithms, and you can blend > his > > algorithms smoothly with most others. > > I dont know what you've been reading but this is NOT a corners first > method. This is a f2L method very close to the Fridrich. dont you mean lbl? but yeah...my mistake. sorry for the misinformation. i probably should've mention that i, too, am still a cubing noob, so if the other guys correct me, assume that they're right. :(

Does anyone know a store in the US that sells a Megaminx? The only store I've found so far was Meffert's in Hong Kong.

thanks i think that answers pretty much everything but now another question awakes. i try and use the finger tricks but my cube wont turn exactly all the way and will not turn the next move without ajusting the previous one, i dunno how to prevent that or if there is a way . thanks

I am still using the original cube I started with. At one point it was turning to well...so i did mean things to my cube to make it worse. I put very rough sand in there to make evil scratches inside. I also switched in some new edges and swapped the axel. This way it maintained a decent speed but I slowed it down enough to stop over turning. --- Duncan Dicks <duncan@...> wrote: > Have to agree with Chris. The main thing holding > back my twohanded times is > the extreme looseness of my cube because I solve > one-handed mostly. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 2:59 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Record pop > > > > Really... one handed... I've got to try that once. > Well, you see, I > > recently switched to my "backup" cube (one I just > had lying around) > > which is really equally smooth and doesn't pop > nearly as much. But > > this cube lacks the orange center cap, so I got > that center cap from > > my pop-a-lot cube. So my "one handed cube" now has > a big gaping black > > hole instead of an orange center sticker. I guess > it's ok for > > practice, but ... well ... I guess you know. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > > wrote: > > > Whatever you do don't throw that cube away. If > you have any > > > interest in one handed 3x3x3 cubing at all, then > your cube is just > > > about perfect for it. My one handed cube used > to be my main > > > speedcube. However, it too got to the point > where I would rotate a > > > corner by hitting it during a finger trick, > things like that. > > > > > > Once a cube starts to get as loose as yours is, > it's pretty much > > > perfect for one handed cubing. So whatever you > do, don't think that > > > it is "worn out" or "too old". It's actually > just starting to turn > > > into a good cube :) > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > P.S. I too popped about 8 pieces off my loose > cube one time, so I > > > know the feeling :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "betrayedfiber" > > > <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > > > > What's the worst cube pop you have ever had? > > > > > > > > I swear to the allmighty powers, I just popped > 8 pieces at once! > > > This > > > > cube is so loose that when I disassemble it, I > can just as well > > > start > > > > with a corner as with an edge. And frequently > I find that I rotate > > > a > > > > corner while solving, too! While performing a > finger trick a > > > corner > > > > just rotates about while in its place... > > > > > > > > I reckon this is a sure sign my cube is a tad > too loose... > > > > > > > > Share your extreme looseness experiences... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Hi it me again, I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the stores here selling one at the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw this in a hobby shop and it says on the tube body that its good for lubricating plastics to plastic contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better yet, is there any other lube suitable for the cube other than silicon that I can use as a temporary lube?

try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] - richard --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@...> wrote: > Hi it me again, > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > stores here selling one at > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw this > in a hobby shop and it > says on the tube body that its good for lubricating > plastics to plastic > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better yet, > is there any other lube > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I can > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Fridrich Method - 43.46s Petrus Method - 1:22.89 Liao/Bryant Ring Method - 1:41.15 Corners First - 2:18.71 Edges First - 1:54.01 Roux Method - 2:23.57 Richy Jr's "Triad Method" (My own name for it, it doesn't have one yet) - 2:51.42 all attempts were made tonight :) -Kyle- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

hi all, I see some questions from newbies, and I would like to answer them in a way that would have made me happy when I started learning the Fridrich method. Now to start with Jessica's pages themselves: terrible, sorry to say. No applets, not a lot of explanation. But well, ok, all the algs are there. For any situation you can find two or more algs. Especially difficult to read in the beginning is the Fa, Fs, Ba', etc. Remember that 's' stand for slice and 'a' for antislice. Then, an Fs must mean FB', since it is a slice move in the direction of F. And Fa must mean FB, since the B moves in the opposite direction of F (that is what the anti means). My applet page (under construction) will show you a lot of these moves and how they work. I translated all the algs in the more well known 6 letter notation (FRUBLD). http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet_test.asp About the funny pictures you see everywere, with the nine little squares: these depict the cube seen from above, looking at the last layer. The small dash next to a square means this cubie is rotated/flipped. So the color that normally is on top, is now on the side where you see the dash (or x, or whatever). The other notation, seen on Ron's site: the little squares have a + or - in them. This is mostly used for corners, and it means that the corner is rotated clockwise (+) or counter clockwise (-). Second, I find the explanations on most pages rather cryptic. I suggest to always use a page with java applets so that people can actually see what is happening. I have to say, Dan Harris's pages are the best in that aspect: www.cubestation.co.uk Of course you should check out his notation page, and remember that a lowercase character means: move a 'two layer thick layer' at once. So when you perform 'u' for instance, you hold the D layer steady and move the upper two layers clockwise. This is equivalent to a D followed by a cube turn clockwise (also called Y). Oh, right, these are also cryptic. This is a handy translation of the cube rotations: X - R Y - U Z - F So just remember RUF, and then for X you look at the R face, and turn the cube clockwise. Another incredibly good overview is given by Jon Morris, the pages may take a long time to load: http://www.geocities.com/nascarjon2001/ I hope this will help, and I have been there. I think the applet pages help a lot, and I don't think Mark Jeays simple solution is simple: there are no applets and the page takes forever to read. I prefer Jasmine's pages for a simple solution. http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html My last tip for every one who asked: 'I am averaging one minute and I want to become faster without any effort'. Start using the working corner method - cross - three corners - three f2l edges - last corner - last edge now you can continue with the easiest (but still very very fast) - oell (2 algs) - pcll (1 or 2 algs) - ocll (1 alg) - pell (3 algs) good luck Michiel --------------------------------------------------- Michiel van der Blonk

Not all kinds of cubes are good with finger tricks. I know, for instance, one kind of "assembly" cube just doesn't work with them at all, and there are numerous kinds of "bogus" chinese/taiwanese etc. cubes around that just don't work very well. If you have one of these, then I suggest just get a new one right away. If you have an "good" cube on the other hand, like an old IDEAL or Arxon cube, or an Oddzon (rubiks.com) cube, or maybe a Studio Cube, then I reckon your cube is just really stiff and rigid. Stretching the centers with toothsticks, lubrication and just lots of random turning and twisting should allow finger tricks after a while. If you have never replaced the stickers on your cube, you can probably decide on wether it's a "bad" or "good" cube by checking if there's a logo on the center white sticker. If you have a logo like the one seen here: http://dev.rubiks.com/index.cfm ... you've got a rubiks.com (Oddzon) cube which should work okay. I don't really know a lot about distinguishing different cube types. Maybe someone else can help you with that. By the way, I'd recommend against using vaseline. Vaseline is a petroleum based product and it will eat away the plastic. I used vaseline on my cube once and it didn't really ruin it, but I wiped it off and sprayed with silicone instead. Now it works really good. Cheers, Eivind Fonn --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > thanks i think that answers pretty much everything but now another > question awakes. i try and use the finger tricks but my cube wont > turn exactly all the way and will not turn the next move without > ajusting the previous one, i dunno how to prevent that or if there is > a way . thanks

Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to smell olive oil. =) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, richard wang <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > - richard > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > Hi it me again, > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > > stores here selling one at > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw this > > in a hobby shop and it > > says on the tube body that its good for lubricating > > plastics to plastic > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better yet, > > is there any other lube > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I can > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

it actually doesnt smell at all. - richard --- betrayedfiber <htkra1d@...> wrote: > Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to > smell olive oil. =) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > richard wang > <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > > > - richard > > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > > > Hi it me again, > > > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > > > stores here selling one at > > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw > this > > > in a hobby shop and it > > > says on the tube body that its good for > lubricating > > > plastics to plastic > > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better > yet, > > > is there any other lube > > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I > can > > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > ok i nee dquite i a few things i dunno if ill be able to think of > them all. > well i started earlier this month with te solution on > nerdparadise.com or whatever becuase all the other ones were too hard > for me to understand. if you are not familiar with it then its just a > simple way of looking at the layer by layer method.SO my average is > about 1 minute 20-30 seconds but in sum lucky ocassions ive gotten 54- > 56 seconds, is there any way of simply learning more algorithms for > bottom layer or anyhting else you can think of to drastically change > my time, prefereably under a minute. OR anything else you may think > will help me. as far as lubing my cube i only very lightly put > vaseline on the inside edges and whatnot being afraid of the results, > i havent had any problems but i think it can be better. should i use > a silicone spray, if so what kind or wheres and easy place to get it. > also the platic layers on my stickersa are coming off and ive already > had to use sum paint pen to fix it. wats an easy way to fix that > problem, ive heard of vinyl tape, but can you buy all the colors and > will they not fall off. also to do with the first subject, what are > sum finger movements i could use and wat is this F2L thing i hear so > much about... > anyways thanks > -clayno Greetings, I think Rubiks.com sells lubricant and stickers together. I use 3M non-oil-based silcone spray. I got it at an auto supply. 3m has a website maybe you can find a store that carries it. You don't want to use vaseline. As for finding ways to go faster, you could always try to figure out some yourself. For me that's the real fun of the cube. Everyone assumes that speedcubing is all about memory and fast hands, but remember that when Rubik's cube first came out that many people solved it with no help at all. Regards, David J

Hi Everyone, this is just a note to say the Rubik's competition timer journal has been updated. a new 65x132 pixel graphical LCD has been chosen, which will enable the timer to display random cube scrambles, and other graphic images. this is obviously a great improvement over the original 5 digit numeric LCD i was looking at. the cost difference is so small that it's a no-brainer to go with it. You can visit the competition timer home page at: http://www.mission-designs.com/timer thanks for everyone's great feedback on the timer!

wait, olive oil has a smell???? -cubekid richard wang <aznneo88@yahoo.com> wrote: it actually doesnt smell at all. - richard --- betrayedfiber wrote: > Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to > smell olive oil. =) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > richard wang > wrote: > > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > > > - richard > > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." wrote: > > > Hi it me again, > > > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > > > stores here selling one at > > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw > this > > > in a hobby shop and it > > > says on the tube body that its good for > lubricating > > > plastics to plastic > > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better > yet, > > > is there any other lube > > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I > can > > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

well...the one that i use doesnt ( just in case you're wondering i use olive oil thats sold at costco. it comes in a pack of two) - richard --- sapan you <gotsoup420@...> wrote: > wait, olive oil has a smell???? > > -cubekid > > richard wang <aznneo88@...> wrote: > it actually doesnt smell at all. > > - richard > --- betrayedfiber wrote: > > Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to > > smell olive oil. =) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > richard wang > > wrote: > > > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > > > > > - richard > > > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." wrote: > > > > Hi it me again, > > > > > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of > the > > > > stores here selling one at > > > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw > > this > > > > in a hobby shop and it > > > > says on the tube body that its good for > > lubricating > > > > plastics to plastic > > > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better > > yet, > > > > is there any other lube > > > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that > I > > can > > > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only > $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Hey everyone, For those of you who are interested I downloaded an arbitrary precision calculator and used my cube calculations formula to find the exact and expanded number (38 416 digits!!) of combinations to the 100x100x100 cube. I uploaded the file as a windows text file, it's in the files section. Chris

How the heck long did that take? (and I thought 43quintillion was a big number) Also, where did you get that calculator? I've been looking for something like that. Fox --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > For those of you who are interested I downloaded an arbitrary > precision calculator and used my cube calculations formula to find > the exact and expanded number (38 416 digits!!) of combinations to > the 100x100x100 cube. > > I uploaded the file as a windows text file, it's in the files > section. > > Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sapan you <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > wait, olive oil has a smell???? > > -cubekid > > richard wang <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > it actually doesnt smell at all. > > - richard > --- betrayedfiber wrote: > > Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to > > smell olive oil. =) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > richard wang > > wrote: > > > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > > > > > - richard > > > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." wrote: > > > > Hi it me again, > > > > > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > > > > stores here selling one at > > > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw > > this > > > > in a hobby shop and it > > > > says on the tube body that its good for > > lubricating > > > > plastics to plastic > > > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better > > yet, > > > > is there any other lube > > > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I > > can > > > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

just wondering.....how often do you guys replace the stickers on your cube. - richard

I got this calculator from the following URL, http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~howell/calculator/calc.html You can either use the online versions or download the offline version at the bottom, which is what I did. Using the interface takes a while, but also some of the calculations, like (24!)^2450 take about 10 to 12 seconds to perform. I'd say it takes 1-2 minutes to calculate it since the interface takes a while to just put all the numbers in. By the way, just because I'm on a roll I guess, here are the combinations to the other most popular cubes, the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 4x4x4: 7 401 196 841 564 901 869 874 093 974 498 574 336 000 000 000 5x5x5: 282 870 942 277 741 856 536 180 333 107 150 328 293 127 731 985 672 134 721 536 000 000 000 000 000 Yeah 43 quintillion doesn't seem like such a big number after looking at the number of combinations to these larger cubes. I can't even begin to comprehend how large the 100x100x100 number is. And what weirds me out is that since these numbers are finite, you can easily dwarf them by infinitely many other finite numbers. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "qwerty1110" <qwerty1110@h...> wrote: > How the heck long did that take? (and I thought 43quintillion was a > big number) > > Also, where did you get that calculator? I've been looking for > something like that. > > Fox

Mathematica or Maple can sometimes do these things. Learn to love it... they certainly save my life. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 20, 2004, at 9:16 PM, qwerty1110 wrote: > How the heck long did that take? (and I thought 43quintillion was a > big number) > > Also, where did you get that calculator?  I've been looking for > something like that. > > Fox > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> > wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > For those of you who are interested I downloaded an arbitrary > > precision calculator and used my cube calculations formula to find > > the exact and expanded number (38 416 digits!!) of combinations to > > the 100x100x100 cube. > > > > I uploaded the file as a windows text file, it's in the files > > section. > > > > Chris > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

--- Chris wrote: > Does anyone have any solving videos of the 4x4 or 5x5... I haven't made any videos for my 5x5x5 yet, and my 4x4x4 videos are a little slower than average, now, but you can see what I have, at: http://Grant.Tregay.net/cube/videos.shtml Enjoy! - Grant

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznneo88" <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > just wondering.....how often do you guys replace the stickers on > your cube. > > - richard Never, only if it is required for a competion My cubes have strong vynil stickers,they do wear on the side of the sticker but not that fast Ton

ok well i ask my mom to take me to walmart to get the silicone crap and she says okay. next thing i know its 12am and we still havent left.i go see wats going on and i found out that she took all my orange stickers off and was sanding down the plastic she said the sticker edges peeling was annoying her...well for one all the colors were peeling a bit and i had no prob with it why does she care anyways i dunno its my cube and she never asked me or anything. oh wait maybe she did but im pretty sure i said no, actually im positive. then she gets a painnt pen and starts on it with that it barely works and just kinda sit on the plastic and drops together. and shes kinda getting it to work after like the third layer but it still looks like crap. i guess ill live..but no theres more. i get her to take me to wal mart and its almost 1 o clock am now, we go there and i find a kind, but "oh my god" theres propane in it, and you kno what that means "EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE" and "CAN BE HARMFUL BY ANY CONTACT".... WELL NO ****ING DUH ITS A FRICKIN SPRAY BOTTLE WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. so not only did she screw my cube without my permission but she made the trip to walmart worthless and i need that goddamn spray. well i dunno what im going to do now... she may do sum more weird and mysterious things with my cube and that means i may just be forced to spend my freshly earned cash on a new friggin cube and going to the store to get the goddamn silicone myself... anyone have any ideas...wanna help..anything..okay well at least i got that out...excuse my french

> Never, only if it is required for a competion > My cubes have strong vynil stickers,they do wear on the side of the > sticker but not that fast were do you ge that vynil stuff. i look but no findy. thanks

Excellent and well explained Michiel. However I have to disagree about Jessica's pages. I have found these the very best pages. The algorithms and pictures are set out in what seems to me a very logical way. I have never found a lot of use for applets because I like to print out the pictures with the algorithms and carry them around with me. I guess it all depends on were you are coming from and how you learn! Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Explanation for newbies > hi all, > I see some questions from newbies, and I would like to answer them in a way > that would have made me happy when I started learning the Fridrich method. > > Now to start with Jessica's pages themselves: terrible, sorry to say. No > applets, not a lot of explanation. But well, ok, all the algs are there. For > any situation you can find two or more algs. Especially difficult to read in > the beginning is the Fa, Fs, Ba', etc. Remember that 's' stand for slice and > 'a' for antislice. Then, an Fs must mean FB', since it is a slice move in > the direction of F. And Fa must mean FB, since the B moves in the opposite > direction of F (that is what the anti means). > My applet page (under construction) will show you a lot of these moves and > how they work. I translated all the algs in the more well known 6 letter > notation (FRUBLD). > http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet_test.asp > About the funny pictures you see everywere, with the nine little squares: > these depict the cube seen from above, looking at the last layer. The small > dash next to a square means this cubie is rotated/flipped. So the color that > normally is on top, is now on the side where you see the dash (or x, or > whatever). > The other notation, seen on Ron's site: the little squares have a + or - in > them. This is mostly used for corners, and it means that the corner is > rotated clockwise (+) or counter clockwise (-). > > Second, I find the explanations on most pages rather cryptic. I suggest to > always use a page with java applets so that people can actually see what is > happening. I have to say, Dan Harris's pages are the best in that aspect: > www.cubestation.co.uk > Of course you should check out his notation page, and remember that a > lowercase character means: move a 'two layer thick layer' at once. So when > you perform 'u' for instance, you hold the D layer steady and move the upper > two layers clockwise. This is equivalent to a D followed by a cube turn > clockwise (also called Y). Oh, right, these are also cryptic. > This is a handy translation of the cube rotations: > X - R > Y - U > Z - F > So just remember RUF, and then for X you look at the R face, and turn the > cube clockwise. > > Another incredibly good overview is given by Jon Morris, the pages may take > a long time to load: http://www.geocities.com/nascarjon2001/ > > I hope this will help, and I have been there. I think the applet pages help > a lot, and I don't think Mark Jeays simple solution is simple: there are no > applets and the page takes forever to read. I prefer Jasmine's pages for a > simple solution. > http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html > > My last tip for every one who asked: 'I am averaging one minute and I want > to become faster without any effort'. Start using the working corner method > - cross > - three corners > - three f2l edges > - last corner > - last edge > now you can continue with the easiest (but still very very fast) > - oell (2 algs) > - pcll (1 or 2 algs) > - ocll (1 alg) > - pell (3 algs) > > good luck > Michiel > > --------------------------------------------------- > Michiel van der Blonk > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> I'd like to give this a shot at some point and see how it works > out. You sound like you are already planning this method out or are > about to try it, so let us know if it works out well if you try it > soon. I do want to try it, but just like blindsolving Fridrich-style I'll probably postpone it until I can always do a 2-look LL. You know, I don't really want to trace the cubies through a 4-look one ;-) I'm learning the remaining algs now anyway (motivated by the European Championships) so hopefully I'll be ready in a few months. Cheers! Stefan

> That is not my diagram ;-) I never claimed it was yours ;-) > Not sure if i dare to break my Clock. On my clock (original Matchbox) > it seems the upper and lower part are not glued together, but there > are 4 points of "screw-welding"/snaplock. Anyhow it looks like that ;- I have several clocks, all of them original Matchbox. Yes, they do have these "points". But they're also glued along the whole border (just not where the wheels are ;-). And these points are no "snaplocks". The main problem is to break the glue along the border, the points aren't that bad. One of the four broke while disassembling, the other three are fine. For reassembling I used transparent duct tape, not glue. So now I can open it again easily. Note however that I would've never done this to one of my old clocks that I have emotional connections to. I did it to a clock I got from ebay. Here in Germany they get frequently sold for a single euro, while I've seen prices around $15 on ebay.com :-) Cheers! Stefan

Its been said before here that nail varnish works really well and you can get lots of colours if you can get past the embarrassment of buying it. Maybe your mom owes you that! I started using it myself and once you get used to the colours you've chosen its great. And following on from someone elses post I also use olive oil and it works fine. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "cad182" <cad182@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] ok im pissed > ok well i ask my mom to take me to walmart to get the silicone crap > and she says okay. next thing i know its 12am and we still havent > left.i go see wats going on and i found out that she took all my > orange stickers off and was sanding down the plastic > she said the sticker edges peeling was annoying her...well for one > all the colors were peeling a bit and i had no prob with it why does > she care anyways i dunno its my cube and she never asked me or > anything. oh wait maybe she did but im pretty sure i said no, > actually im positive. then she gets a painnt pen and starts on it > with that > it barely works and just kinda sit on the plastic and drops together. > and shes kinda getting it to work after like the third layer but it > still looks like crap. i guess ill live..but no theres more. i get > her to take me to wal mart and its almost 1 o clock am now, we go > there and i find a kind, but "oh my god" theres propane in it, and > you kno what that means "EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE" and "CAN BE HARMFUL BY > ANY CONTACT".... WELL NO ****ING DUH ITS A FRICKIN SPRAY BOTTLE WHAT > DO YOU EXPECT. so not only did she screw my cube without my > permission but she made the trip to walmart worthless and i need that > goddamn spray. well i dunno what im going to do now... she may do sum > more weird and mysterious things with my cube and that means i may > just be forced to spend my freshly earned cash on a new friggin cube > and going to the store to get the goddamn silicone myself... anyone > have any ideas...wanna help..anything..okay well at least i got that > out...excuse my french > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

You can also easily compute these large numbers using Java and its BigInteger class. I just wrote and uploaded a program into the files section, look for: RubiksCubeCombinations.java In Prolog or LISP this should be even shorter. They have large numbers as default, have a slim syntax and Prolog even uses caching so it might be faster. But I think there are more Java coders here than Prolog or LISP coders so I chose Java ;-) cu Stefan

Ok, just for the fun of it I did it in LISP, too. I do not claim this is the best way to do it in LISP, I'm by far no expert there. But it *is* shorter than my Java version. Look for RubiksCubeCombinations.lsp Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > You can also easily compute these large numbers using Java and its > BigInteger class. I just wrote and uploaded a program into the files > section, look for: > > RubiksCubeCombinations.java > > In Prolog or LISP this should be even shorter. They have large > numbers as default, have a slim syntax and Prolog even uses caching > so it might be faster. But I think there are more Java coders here > than Prolog or LISP coders so I chose Java ;-) > > cu > Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > > > Never, only if it is required for a competion > > My cubes have strong vynil stickers,they do wear on the side of the > > sticker but not that fast > > > were do you ge that vynil stuff. i look but no findy. thanks Well, they come with the cube (Rubik's Studio), soon I will get more. I will sell some via my site, please note I will get only a few sets, most of them I want to reserve for the speedcubers that are on the championships 10 Juli and 7/8 August. I got them from the Rubik's Studio (The firm of Mr Rubik) Ton

jus wondering, how do you think graphite would work, like the dust powder stuff

> jus wondering, how do you think graphite would work, like the dust > powder stuff I used that once and it was bad. It took about 30 minutes to apply it to the cubies and the cube became stiff again after a few days. Basically, using graphite is a time-consuming process that must be done a couple of times a week. Silicone works best since you only have to spray (taking less than 10 seconds and then letting them dry) it to a few cubes and reapply it once or twice a month. Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

Ok, just to keep up with Stefan, I wrote an ActiveX DLL, that you can use in Excel, Visual Basic, Windows Scripting, ASP, VBScript, you name it.... It's called Math.DLL, I put it in the files section. Usage (VB): Dim M As BigMath.BigInteger It works with numbers (when small enough) or strings Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Ok, just for the fun of it I did it in LISP, too. I do not claim > this is the best way to do it in LISP, I'm by far no expert there. > But it *is* shorter than my Java version. Look for > > RubiksCubeCombinations.lsp > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > You can also easily compute these large numbers using Java and its > > BigInteger class. I just wrote and uploaded a program into the > files > > section, look for: > > > > RubiksCubeCombinations.java > > > > In Prolog or LISP this should be even shorter. They have large > > numbers as default, have a slim syntax and Prolog even uses > caching > > so it might be faster. But I think there are more Java coders here > > than Prolog or LISP coders so I chose Java ;-) > > > > cu > > Stefan

Someone uses lubricant for the machines for clothes (how do you write this, Sowing machine?!?) If you're french and you have walmarts, im assuming you must be in Quebec, then you have Canadian tires who sell silicon lubricants. I have a brand that's called : Gigaloo or something close to that, you'll find it for sure, it works pretty good, although it leaves some kind of black residue in it after like a month, I'm scared its my cube but the lubricant works wonders so I dont really care.

o, i tried that before, it doesnt work that well on a lubed cube or wet cube, i would stick with silicone or cube lube though~ AZIN_J05IEIPIH --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > jus wondering, how do you think graphite would work, like the dust > powder stuff

How long does it take you guys to get sub 20's? ~AZIN_J05IEIPIH

Just thought I would second that. I've had my cube for a bit over a year now, and I'd say that for about 9 months of that time, it's had nail polish on it. It's great! The colors are the tricky part. Nail polish tends to look darker than most other things, so picking "tropical" colors would be a good idea. That way your eye can distinguish the colors quickly, since they are a little bit brighter. Oh yeah, for some reason green is hard to find. If it turns out to be the same for you, dont pick a "bad" green, like aqua, 'cause it will blend too much with blue. Instead get purple or something completely different. If you're looking for good lubricant, "Castle" is the best brand... Raul G. --- Duncan Dicks <duncan@...> wrote: > Its been said before here that nail varnish works > really well and you can > get lots of colours if you can get past the > embarrassment of buying it. > Maybe your mom owes you that! I started using it > myself and once you get > used to the colours you've chosen its great. > > And following on from someone elses post I also use > olive oil and it works > fine. > > Duncan ===== - hmmm... forbidden donut - __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ��� Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer

Hi friends, One of the last records from the ol' days that still stands is Mark Waterman's record for the cube marathon: 42 cubes in 15 minutes. Which is 21.4 seconds per cube, so an excellent record. (In Europe a marathon is 42.195 kilometers.) I would love to see a new record set for that category. Who is going to break that last 'old' record? Maybe one of the weekly contests can have that event until we break it? Have fun, Ron http://www.speedcubing.com

Right now I am solving the centers and pairing up the edges so that I can finish solving the cube as a 3x3. What are others here doing to solve the 4x4? I would like to continue solving it as a 3x3, but about half the time one of the edges are flipped when I try to orient the top layer. I have read somewhere to 'turn half the cube 90 degrees' to fix this problem, but it always takes me forever to flip the edge. Any tips on the 4x4 would be great. thanks. -Chris

Hey, Just recently I bought an old cube from the the 80's (Ideal) at Ebay. I've heard these make excellent speedcubes so I thought I might give it a shot. The problem is that these come in a color configuration that I'm not used to. I use white opposite blue, but the cube I'm getting has white opposite yellow. I was wondering if it is possible to resticker them by simply removing the yellow/blue stickers and switching them around? I doubt it is, but I need to ask because if it really is possible then that would be ideal (no pun intended ;)). Will gluing them back on work? I can of course resticker the entire cube like I usually do with Oddzon cubes when their stickers wear out, but the orange I have is really dark and if it's possible for me to keep the original stickers for as long as possible then that's great. Anyone have any tips?

Yea, its as easy as just switching the colors on those 2 sides as long as the orientation is the same. Actually it's even easier. Only 8 stickers need to be removed. the b/o and y/o edges can be swapped. the b/r and y/r edges can be swapped. the b/y edge can be flipped, and the b/y/r anb b/y/o corners can be swapped. Also the center caps can be swapped (or it might just be easier to switch the stickers if you aren't planning on removing the caps). This leaves only the row of 3 stickers farthest away from b/y column to be switched and the r and o stickers on the corners you swapped. I've done this a few times and never needed any additional glue. Hope this helps! --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > Hey, > > Just recently I bought an old cube from the the 80's (Ideal) at Ebay. > I've heard these make excellent speedcubes so I thought I might give > it a shot. The problem is that these come in a color configuration > that I'm not used to. I use white opposite blue, but the cube I'm > getting has white opposite yellow. I was wondering if it is possible > to resticker them by simply removing the yellow/blue stickers and > switching them around? I doubt it is, but I need to ask because if it > really is possible then that would be ideal (no pun intended ;)). Will > gluing them back on work? > > I can of course resticker the entire cube like I usually do with > Oddzon cubes when their stickers wear out, but the orange I have is > really dark and if it's possible for me to keep the original stickers > for as long as possible then that's great. > > Anyone have any tips?

Great, thanks! Your piece and center cap swapping idea hadn't really occured to me, but it is obviously a nice approach to it. Although I think you're slightly mistaken about switching the b/y/r and b/y/o corners, as doing so will require you to also switch their red and orange stickers respectively. Otherwise, thanks for the idea! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Sz..." <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > Yea, its as easy as just switching the colors on those 2 sides as > long as the orientation is the same. Actually it's even easier. Only > 8 stickers need to be removed. the b/o and y/o edges can be swapped. > the b/r and y/r edges can be swapped. the b/y edge can be flipped, > and the b/y/r anb b/y/o corners can be swapped. Also the center caps > can be swapped (or it might just be easier to switch the stickers if > you aren't planning on removing the caps). > This leaves only the row of 3 stickers farthest away from b/y column > to be switched and the r and o stickers on the corners you swapped. > I've done this a few times and never needed any additional glue. > Hope this helps! > > --barefoot Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" > <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Just recently I bought an old cube from the the 80's (Ideal) at > Ebay. > > I've heard these make excellent speedcubes so I thought I might > give > > it a shot. The problem is that these come in a color configuration > > that I'm not used to. I use white opposite blue, but the cube I'm > > getting has white opposite yellow. I was wondering if it is > possible > > to resticker them by simply removing the yellow/blue stickers and > > switching them around? I doubt it is, but I need to ask because if > it > > really is possible then that would be ideal (no pun intended ;)). > Will > > gluing them back on work? > > > > I can of course resticker the entire cube like I usually do with > > Oddzon cubes when their stickers wear out, but the orange I have > is > > really dark and if it's possible for me to keep the original > stickers > > for as long as possible then that's great. > > > > Anyone have any tips?

Oh, sorry, you did mention the r/o corner stickers. =) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > Great, thanks! Your piece and center cap swapping idea hadn't really > occured to me, but it is obviously a nice approach to it. Although I > think you're slightly mistaken about switching the b/y/r and b/y/o > corners, as doing so will require you to also switch their red and > orange stickers respectively. Otherwise, thanks for the idea! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Sz..." > <s2chris2@h...> wrote: > > Yea, its as easy as just switching the colors on those 2 sides as > > long as the orientation is the same. Actually it's even easier. Only > > 8 stickers need to be removed. the b/o and y/o edges can be swapped. > > the b/r and y/r edges can be swapped. the b/y edge can be flipped, > > and the b/y/r anb b/y/o corners can be swapped. Also the center caps > > can be swapped (or it might just be easier to switch the stickers if > > you aren't planning on removing the caps). > > This leaves only the row of 3 stickers farthest away from b/y column > > to be switched and the r and o stickers on the corners you swapped. > > I've done this a few times and never needed any additional glue. > > Hope this helps! > > > > --barefoot Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "betrayedfiber" > > <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > Just recently I bought an old cube from the the 80's (Ideal) at > > Ebay. > > > I've heard these make excellent speedcubes so I thought I might > > give > > > it a shot. The problem is that these come in a color configuration > > > that I'm not used to. I use white opposite blue, but the cube I'm > > > getting has white opposite yellow. I was wondering if it is > > possible > > > to resticker them by simply removing the yellow/blue stickers and > > > switching them around? I doubt it is, but I need to ask because if > > it > > > really is possible then that would be ideal (no pun intended ;)) . > > Will > > > gluing them back on work? > > > > > > I can of course resticker the entire cube like I usually do with > > > Oddzon cubes when their stickers wear out, but the orange I have > > is > > > really dark and if it's possible for me to keep the original > > stickers > > > for as long as possible then that's great. > > > > > > Anyone have any tips?

I thought the "legal" color configuration was a red/white/blue corner white opposite to yellow. Red opposite to orange. Thats what the most "rubik's" brand use, the studio cubes, the rubiks.com, the ideal.

I've got an 80's cube too, and it really needs tightening, but I can't get the center caps off. How do you guys reccomend going about it? Daniel

I've removed the center caps once or twice on my Oddzon cube(s), and I really just force a knife in between the cap and the center piece. >From pictures I've seen the center caps are the same form on Studio / 80's cubes and I reckon it should work on them too. Be careful though so you don't cut yourself. I recommend putting the center cap in question on the side of a table with the rest of the cube skeleton in "free air", so you won't have to hold against with fingers. Use a table you don't care much for, too. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > I've got an 80's cube too, and it really needs tightening, but I > can't get the center caps off. How do you guys reccomend going about > it? > > Daniel

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I just finished a 3D-Imaging class in school. I made some images involving the cube. I've uploaded the files to the group. The links to the images are in the previous two posts. I hope everyone likes them! Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

heh! they look cool! I like them :D -bobthewoodcutter, aka "Merik", aka "Dale"

Ok, so in my boredom today, I came up with what I think is a completely new speedsolving method, and I believe it could be very fast if practiced and refined. Here are the steps: 1. four "F2L" pairs (4 1x2x2 blocks in solved position) a. place 3 corners b. use unsolved corner as a "working corner" to place 3 adjacent edges c. 4th pair fridrich style 2. Orient and Permute "LL" corners (1 alg) 3. position centers (with M and S moves) 4. position top layer edges with M and D moves 5. Orient and Permute last edges (one alg) Right now, I am averaging 40ish seconds with it, and with practice, I hope to get sub 20. Any comments? Thanks a lot, Quinn

I'm a bit confused. Which edges are you referring to in step B ? It sounds like any remaining edges after the first four F2L pairs are taken care of in steps 4&5. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "juggleman411" <quinn@l...> wrote: > Ok, so in my boredom today, I came up with what I think is a > completely new speedsolving method, and I believe it could be very > fast if practiced and refined. Here are the steps: > > 1. four "F2L" pairs (4 1x2x2 blocks in solved position) > a. place 3 corners > b. use unsolved corner as a "working corner" to place 3 > adjacent edges > c. 4th pair fridrich style > 2. Orient and Permute "LL" corners (1 alg) > 3. position centers (with M and S moves) > 4. position top layer edges with M and D moves > 5. Orient and Permute last edges (one alg) > > Right now, I am averaging 40ish seconds with it, and with practice, > I hope to get sub 20. Any comments? Thanks a lot, > Quinn

Sorry about that, steps a through c were meant as a subset to step 1. Like, I meant that the way I get the F2L pairs is by placing three corners, then usingthe unsolved corner as a workig corner to place 3 F2L edges, then line everything up, then place the last pair fridrich style. An alternate approach could be taken as well, just as simply pairing up the corners and edges like the fridrich method. I've tried both ways, and I like them both, so we'll see what the times reflect. So basically, you get 3 1x1x3 columns, then place the centers, then one layer's 4 edges, then Orient and Permute the last remaining edges. I hope that cleared things up for you! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne" <mylib_2000@y...> wrote: > I'm a bit confused. Which edges are you referring to in step B ? > It sounds like any remaining edges after the first four F2L pairs > are taken care of in steps 4&5. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "juggleman411" > <quinn@l...> wrote: > > Ok, so in my boredom today, I came up with what I think is a > > completely new speedsolving method, and I believe it could be very > > fast if practiced and refined. Here are the steps: > > > > 1. four "F2L" pairs (4 1x2x2 blocks in solved position) > > a. place 3 corners > > b. use unsolved corner as a "working corner" to place > 3 > > adjacent edges > > c. 4th pair fridrich style > > 2. Orient and Permute "LL" corners (1 alg) > > 3. position centers (with M and S moves) > > 4. position top layer edges with M and D moves > > 5. Orient and Permute last edges (one alg) > > > > Right now, I am averaging 40ish seconds with it, and with > practice, > > I hope to get sub 20. Any comments? Thanks a lot, > > Quinn

Hey Chris, I too solve the 4x4x4 with a centers first approach. Basically, there is a way to avoid the two "parity errors" when solving however it takes a lot of mental calculation and is not very practical for speedsolving. I'm currently trying ideas to possibly design a new 4x4 speedsolve method around the idea of avoiding both types of edge parities every time. If you solve using a centers first approach, there isn't an easy way to avoid the parity errors and you just have to fix them when they come up. I list some useful moves for this on my solution page, http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-step3.html The reason that particular situation that you are getting, where one edge group is flipped when solving like a 3x3x3, comes up because your edges are an odd number of quarter turns away from being perfectly solved, i.e. they have odd parity. To change them back to even parity just turn any inner slice by one quarter turn. Your center groups and edge groups will be messed up, however if you place them back together with an even number of quarter turns, i.e. use commutators, then you will not have an edge group flipped anymore. So anyway the easy answer is to learn the algs on my solution page, or you can design your own algs that scramble and solve the centers and/or edges again in an odd number of quarter turns. Hope this helps some, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Right now I am solving the centers and pairing up the edges so that I > can finish solving the cube as a 3x3. What are others here doing to > solve the 4x4? I would like to continue solving it as a 3x3, but > about half the time one of the edges are flipped when I try to orient > the top layer. I have read somewhere to 'turn half the cube 90 > degrees' to fix this problem, but it always takes me forever to flip > the edge. > > Any tips on the 4x4 would be great. thanks. > > -Chris

Hey!! Chris, why don't u simply show him ur "edgeflip" from ur Revenge solution. Well anyway, here it is : http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-step2.html (part 1.2, near the middle of the page) Good luck! -Per K PS! If u end up with another position where u must swap 2 edges only, then u can rearrange those into the "edgeflip" and then do the "repair moves". This means u do : A-(edgeflip)-A' (A' = inverse of A). This will probably mess up the facecenters, so u have to learn to repair those :D > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey Chris, > > I too solve the 4x4x4 with a centers first approach. Basically, > there is a way to avoid the two "parity errors" when solving however > it takes a lot of mental calculation and is not very practical for > speedsolving. I'm currently trying ideas to possibly design a new > 4x4 speedsolve method around the idea of avoiding both types of edge > parities every time. > > If you solve using a centers first approach, there isn't an easy way > to avoid the parity errors and you just have to fix them when they > come up. I list some useful moves for this on my solution page, > http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-step3.html > > The reason that particular situation that you are getting, where one > edge group is flipped when solving like a 3x3x3, comes up because > your edges are an odd number of quarter turns away from being > perfectly solved, i.e. they have odd parity. To change them back to > even parity just turn any inner slice by one quarter turn. Your > center groups and edge groups will be messed up, however if you > place them back together with an even number of quarter turns, i.e. > use commutators, then you will not have an edge group flipped > anymore. > > So anyway the easy answer is to learn the algs on my solution page, > or you can design your own algs that scramble and solve the centers > and/or edges again in an odd number of quarter turns. > > Hope this helps some, > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Right now I am solving the centers and pairing up the edges so > that I > > can finish solving the cube as a 3x3. What are others here doing > to > > solve the 4x4? I would like to continue solving it as a 3x3, but > > about half the time one of the edges are flipped when I try to > orient > > the top layer. I have read somewhere to 'turn half the cube 90 > > degrees' to fix this problem, but it always takes me forever to > flip > > the edge. > > > > Any tips on the 4x4 would be great. thanks. > > > > -Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "juggleman411" <quinn@l...> wrote: > Ok, so in my boredom today, I came up with what I think is a > completely new speedsolving method, Many cubers considered such a strategy. It's becoming very hard to find something completely new, you know ;-) > and I believe it could be very > fast if practiced and refined. Here are the steps: > > 1. four "F2L" pairs (4 1x2x2 blocks in solved position) 1x1x2 > a. place 3 corners > b. use unsolved corner as a "working corner" to place 3 > adjacent edges > c. 4th pair fridrich style > 2. Orient and Permute "LL" corners (1 alg) > 3. position centers (with M and S moves) > 4. position top layer edges with M and D moves > 5. Orient and Permute last edges (one alg) > > Right now, I am averaging 40ish seconds with it, and with practice, > I hope to get sub 20. Any comments? Thanks a lot, > Quinn A few comments: *) Step 1: I would start with 2x(1x1x2) (prepared during inspection). *) Step 1: David Salvia has another way of solving 4x(1x1x2). *) After steps 1 & 2, you get 2x(1x1x3). You could think of doing it another way: - Step 1: 8 corners. - Step 2: Add 4 edges -> 2x(1x1x3). Forget centers of course. *) Ok, 2x(1x1x3) in less than 30 moves looks good. But I'm skeptical about how fast the rest can be (that's why I gave up). Your 4th step is easy, but maybe not that fast. And then, your cube looks like after F2L+CLL. There are other possible approaches, for example U/D orientation of the 8 edges (intuitive), and then 8-edge permutation (requires optimised sequences and symetries). *) Sub-25? Sure! Sub-20? Possible, but... need to be proven. Sub-17?... I don't think so. Good luck, Gilles.

Hey all Apparently my emails have been 'bouncing' from the group. Anyway, I was looking through the message archive for a one-algorithm blindfold solution I remember reading about using (I think) the PLL T-permutation. Can anybody point me in the direction of the original post? Thanks Doug

I have a 5x5x5 cube and I am having a problem with the solution. I have gotten the centers solved as well as all but one of the edge groups. I am trying to turn the cube into a 3x3x3 by combining the edge and center groups. I have combined every edge group except for one. The one group that I cannot solve has a flipped center edge peice. For example, imagine the below is a row of edge pieces: YO OY YO The Y stands for yellow and the O stands for orange. The center piece is flipped but every other group is completely solved. What am I doing wrong and how can I correct this error? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! -Nealo

I just want to say I added my personnal video. Here I solve the cube in 34 secondes. I'm not a very good speedcubers but I want to improve myself. On my video : CROSS : 5 s F2L : 19 s OLL : 4 s PLL : 6 s So I notice that I have to improve my cross. I think my F2L and the last layer will be faster with some pratice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Thanks, I just tried the corners first approach, and it was faster, i.e., 30 second average. SInce my main method is fridrich, I am still faster with just putting in the corner edge pairs using the fridrich algs, which gets me to about a 28 second average. I thought of this also, after I posted. My friend joey spadafora is creating a new method, similar to yours, Gilles, and combining this and that could be a ver fast method. Here would be the steps: 1. 4x(1x1x3) columns, done in one of the ways mentioned in the previous post 2. orient centers with M and S moves 3. place DR and DL edges, so the cube is equivalently solved to Gilles Roux method step 3 (2x(1x2x3) with corners solved) 4. place DF edge+orient LL edges 5. Place DB edge+permute edges I would of course have to find these algs with ron's cube solving applet, but before I do, I would first like to see someone else's thoughts on this new method. Thanks! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "juggleman411" > <quinn@l...> wrote: > > Ok, so in my boredom today, I came up with what I think is a > > completely new speedsolving method, > > Many cubers considered such a strategy. It's becoming very hard to > find something completely new, you know ;-) > > > and I believe it could be very > > fast if practiced and refined. Here are the steps: > > > > 1. four "F2L" pairs (4 1x2x2 blocks in solved position) > > 1x1x2 > > > a. place 3 corners > > b. use unsolved corner as a "working corner" to place 3 > > > adjacent edges > > c. 4th pair fridrich style > > 2. Orient and Permute "LL" corners (1 alg) > > 3. position centers (with M and S moves) > > 4. position top layer edges with M and D moves > > 5. Orient and Permute last edges (one alg) > > > > Right now, I am averaging 40ish seconds with it, and with practice, > > I hope to get sub 20. Any comments? Thanks a lot, > > Quinn > > > A few comments: > > *) Step 1: I would start with 2x(1x1x2) (prepared during inspection). > > *) Step 1: David Salvia has another way of solving 4x(1x1x2). > > *) After steps 1 & 2, you get 2x(1x1x3). You could think of doing it > another way: > - Step 1: 8 corners. > - Step 2: Add 4 edges -> 2x(1x1x3). > Forget centers of course. > > *) Ok, 2x(1x1x3) in less than 30 moves looks good. But I'm skeptical > about how fast the rest can be (that's why I gave up). Your 4th step > is easy, but maybe not that fast. And then, your cube looks like after > F2L+CLL. There are other possible approaches, for example U/D > orientation of the 8 edges (intuitive), and then 8-edge permutation > (requires optimised sequences and symetries). > > *) Sub-25? Sure! Sub-20? Possible, but... need to be proven. > Sub-17?... I don't think so. > > > Good luck, > > > Gilles.

Thanks Chris. I took a look at your 4x4 method on your page and the algs were very helpful. -Chris

Hello all, I have a couple of questions about inspection time for the cube. I was curious about the times that people post in this digest and on the web. Is there time allowed for inspection before the solve or are the times given from the moment the unsolved cube is first seen until solved? It seems as though getting down to about 20 seconds is pretty good, but how is this measured? I always start timing right when I see the cube and I am at about 30-35 seconds usually. My second question is on a similar note. If you were to try to get your fastest total time and inspection time was included in your total time (i.e. inspection+solving=total) how long would you look at it before you started? Would you start immediately and find peices as you go or find a couple to start with and go from there? Thanks, Nate

In a competition, you are allowed fifteen seconds before solving to look at the cube. The way you're timing is referred to as no pre- inspection, and if that's the way you normally solve then you can probably get much better times if you take the fifteen seconds beforehand. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, CUAVSFAN@a... wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a couple of questions about inspection time for the cube. > > I was curious about the times that people post in this digest and on the web. Is there time allowed for inspection before the solve or are the times given from the moment the unsolved cube is first seen until solved? It seems as though getting down to about 20 seconds is pretty good, but how is this measured? I always start timing right when I see the cube and I am at about 30-35 seconds usually. > > My second question is on a similar note. If you were to try to get your fastest total time and inspection time was included in your total time (i.e. inspection+solving=total) how long would you look at it before you started? Would you start immediately and find peices as you go or find a couple to start with and go from there? > > Thanks, > Nate

To further clarify, it is commonly accepted to allow 15 seconds of pre inspection of the cube before solving. Even if you don't use the whole 15 seconds, you won't get any benefits on the solving time, so using the 15 seconds is well advised. So, the average times people post here are usually done as such: - Scramble - Start timer (counting down from 15 to 0) - Inspecting (NOT moving) - Timer reaches zero, gives beep, starts counting from 0 - Solving - Stop timer Jess Bonde's timer (www.rubiks.dk) does this automatically, and is really good for home-averages. I would suggest starting to time yourself with 15 seconds of preinspection, since your average times will then be more comparable to everyone elses. Once you get used to it it will cut your time by quite a few seconds. IF there was a competition where the timer would start right away, without any free preinspection, I would start turning right away, but go really slow in order to get the max move efficiency as early as possible. Going full speed at early steps like the cross or the 2x2x2 (whatever method you're using) is not in any way recommended, especially not if you haven't got the entire first step planned out already. Hope this was helpful, Eivind --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, CUAVSFAN@a... wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a couple of questions about inspection time for the cube. > > I was curious about the times that people post in this digest and on the web. Is there time allowed for inspection before the solve or are the times given from the moment the unsolved cube is first seen until solved? It seems as though getting down to about 20 seconds is pretty good, but how is this measured? I always start timing right when I see the cube and I am at about 30-35 seconds usually. > > My second question is on a similar note. If you were to try to get your fastest total time and inspection time was included in your total time (i.e. inspection+solving=total) how long would you look at it before you started? Would you start immediately and find peices as you go or find a couple to start with and go from there? > > Thanks,. > Nate

Thank you all for your suggestion -----Original Message----- From: h4m573r1 [mailto:saiyanprince199@...] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 12:55 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Lube Question --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sapan you <gotsoup420@y...> wrote: > wait, olive oil has a smell???? > > -cubekid > > richard wang <aznneo88@y...> wrote: > it actually doesnt smell at all. > > - richard > --- betrayedfiber wrote: > > Are you serious? I don't think I want my cube to > > smell olive oil. =) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > richard wang > > wrote: > > > try using olive oil. it worked for me. =] > > > > > > - richard > > > --- "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." wrote: > > > > Hi it me again, > > > > > > > > I ran out of silicon and I can't find any of the > > > > stores here selling one at > > > > the moment. Is ceramic grease any good? I saw > > this > > > > in a hobby shop and it > > > > says on the tube body that its good for > > lubricating > > > > plastics to plastic > > > > contact. Has anybody tried this yet? or better > > yet, > > > > is there any other lube > > > > suitable for the cube other than silicon that I > > can > > > > use as a temporary lube? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains � Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

HI NAte, I think the usual is 15 seconds now, but I think in some of the Official USA championships in the early 80s it was 30 seconds. I think the main record should be "no inspection solves," where the entire time spent solving is counted. An "average" record could then be ten cubes uncovered at once, solved in one go; with a second different average of ten from 12 cubes done at once videotaped with a visible timer, throwing out the high and low, perhaps allow for a pop. I don't know who will go for this. The "pre-inspectiion" record may soon be forever pegged with no one ever passing it except for lucky cubes. And people may stop trying. No-inspection solves leave some elbow room and people can devise more and more elegant ways to get going quickly. I think the no inspection record if done today may be around 20 seconds. I hope that answers your quesions. Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, CUAVSFAN@a... wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a couple of questions about inspection time for the cube. > > I was curious about the times that people post in this digest and on the web. Is there time allowed for inspection before the solve or are the times given from the moment the unsolved cube is first seen until solved? It seems as though getting down to about 20 seconds is pretty good, but how is this measured? I always start timing right when I see the cube and I am at about 30-35 seconds usually. > > My second question is on a similar note. If you were to try to get your fastest total time and inspection time was included in your total time (i.e. inspection+solving=total) how long would you look at it before you started? Would you start immediately and find peices as you go or find a couple to start with and go from there? > > Thanks, > Nate

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I thought the "legal" color configuration was a red/white/blue corner > white opposite to yellow. Red opposite to orange. > > Thats what the most "rubik's" brand use, the studio cubes, the > rubiks.com, the ideal. Those "official" colors are only in the last few years. It is the scond "official" color scheme. In the 1980s the majority of Ideal Rubik's cubes, the first Pocket 2x2x2 cubes, the 4x4x4 Revenge, the C*4 cube, the Deluxe cubes, and the Game/Challenge cubes were all Blue opposite White, Yellow opposite Green and Red opposite Orange with one corner Red Blue Green clockwise. IIRC it was declared the offical color scheme with the C*4 cube launch. Regards, David J

Some methods require a lot less inspection time.

Well, whatever is official now.

my spray i got doesnt have the straw thing, so is it okay to take the cube apart, spray it, then put it back together?!? thank you

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On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 08:05:31PM -0000, juggleman411 wrote: > My friend joey spadafora is > creating a new method, similar to yours, Gilles, and combining this > and that could be a ver fast method. Here would be the steps: > > 1. 4x(1x1x3) columns, done in one of the ways mentioned in the > previous post This opening has some nice properties. For example, with the columns standing upright, it becomes possible to solve the remaining cubies without ever regripping your right *or* left hand. However, I don't know of any "nice" way to build this opening. Maybe the corners first people have some idea. Ryan

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > my spray i got doesnt have the straw thing, so is it okay to take the > cube apart, spray it, then put it back together?!? > > thank you yes. -Dale

I you need me on AIM I am "TheGiantBug". Do realize that I will be AWOL from the internet from tuesday (tomorrow) until june 18th though. If any of you have MSN instead (which I highly prefer over AIM), my address is htkra1d@... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > I'm Dog Cannibal > > bobthewoodcutter wrote: > > >I'm F3xp5 > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Here is mine: MorrisJandJ --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another > section on my buddy list. > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > crazed pyro 1989 > > im whenver ya want > > later

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> Ok, just to keep up with Stefan, I wrote an ActiveX DLL, that you can > use in Excel, Visual Basic, Windows Scripting, ASP, VBScript, you > name it.... Could you upload the source code as well? Cheers! Stefan

I thought Lars might have beaten it sometime during his 860 cube marathon (http://lars.studentenweb.org/cube/marathon.php), but he didn't. Best run of 42 cubes were cubes 157 to 198, total time 15:40. 97, averaging 22.4 seconds. What was Mark's exact time? Did he use some inspection time before the first cube? Were the cubes given to him in a certain orientation? Any description online that I could just go and read? ;-) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <rvb@c...> wrote: > Hi friends, > > One of the last records from the ol' days that still stands is Mark > Waterman's record for the cube marathon: 42 cubes in 15 minutes. > Which is 21.4 seconds per cube, so an excellent record. > > (In Europe a marathon is 42.195 kilometers.) > > I would love to see a new record set for that category. > Who is going to break that last 'old' record? > Maybe one of the weekly contests can have that event until we break > it? > > Have fun, > > Ron > http://www.speedcubing.com

> I've removed the center caps once or twice on my Oddzon cube(s), and I > really just force a knife in between the cap and the center piece. > From pictures I've seen the center caps are the same form on Studio / > 80's cubes and I reckon it should work on them too. They're slightly different, but it shouldn't really matter. I'd recommend using a rectangular thin knife like this one: http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/images/Center_Remove.JPG Also, I've had two Ideal cubes where I destroyed the yellow cap because they used too much glue on them. So be careful, maybe especially with the yellow one ;-) Cheers! Stefan

Yet another cube solution I came up with recently: Divide the cube into four equally shaped areas of five cubies each. The five top-front cubies UL, ULF, UF, UFR and UR are the first area. If you turn the cube around the x axis you have the next area at the same positions. Do it again and again to get the last two areas. The first part of the solution would be to bring each cubie into its goal area and maybe fix parities between the areas. Then solve each area independently one after the other. With parities already fixed you'd need 71 algorithms I think (factor 6 for EP, 1 for CP, 4 for EO, 3 for CO, together 6*1*4*3-1). What do you think of it? I like the idea of treating four areas the same way, solving each with a single algorithm. Unfortunately it only offers mirror symmetry, not rotation symmetry (like OLL and PLL do, I hope you know what I mean). I'm not sure, but I may have invented this while thinking about a blindsolving method. Could be nice for speedsolving as well, at least once the areas can be solved independently ;-) Cheers! Stefan

Here's mine: Sir Minxalot01 CMG -----Original Message----- From: cad182 [mailto:cad182@...] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 12:22 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] AIM UNITE all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another section on my buddy list. if you do have it add my name, it is crazed pyro 1989 im whenver ya want later Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129t6vkjm/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085458972/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:// companion.yahoo.com> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=729430663> ________________________________ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub scribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

First note that it's not the center edge that's wrong, but the other two edge cubies. Chris's solution to fix this for the 4x4 might work for the 5x5 as well, but I'm not sure and I don't have a 5x5 with me. But try it: http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-step3.html (he shows two algorithms, try them both) There are probably shorter ways to fix this if you fix it earlier (his algs are intended to use when the cube is almost finished). Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, meat15k <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have a 5x5x5 cube and I am having a problem with the solution. I > have gotten the centers solved as well as all but one of the edge > groups. I am trying to turn the cube into a 3x3x3 by combining the > edge and center groups. I have combined every edge group except for > one. The one group that I cannot solve has a flipped center edge > peice. For example, imagine the below is a row of edge pieces: > > YO > OY > YO > > The Y stands for yellow and the O stands for orange. The center piece > is flipped but every other group is completely solved. What am I > doing wrong and how can I correct this error? Any help would be much > appreciated. > Thanks! > > -Nealo

Hey AIM = Krue Guy MSN = qwerty1110@... Fox

> Anyway, I was looking through the message archive for a one-algorithm > blindfold solution I remember reading about using (I think) the PLL > T-permutation. Can anybody point me in the direction of the original post? You probably mean this one: http://games.groups.yahoo. com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/9576 Unfortunately my webspace provider died and I had to move to another one so my website is offline right now. But I'll upload it again this week. I've also improved the system a bit and will update the page accordingly. Cheers! Stefan

I'd recommend you create a table for this in the database section of this group. Each entry could consist of (Name,AIM,ICQ,MSN,???). Cheers! Stefan (who can't remember or look up his handles right now ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another > section on my buddy list. > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > crazed pyro 1989 > > im whenver ya want > > later

Thank you all for your help. I'll start trying some solves with inspection time and see how that goes. Thanks, Nate 847.63

> I'd recommend you create a table for this in the database section > of this group. Done. Everyone can put their IM Handles in the database. Jon

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Yet another cube solution I came up with recently: > > Divide the cube into four equally shaped areas of five cubies each. > The five top-front cubies UL, ULF, UF, UFR and UR are the first area. > If you turn the cube around the x axis you have the next area at the > same positions. Do it again and again to get the last two areas. > > The first part of the solution would be to bring each cubie into its > goal area and maybe fix parities between the areas. Then solve each > area independently one after the other. With parities already fixed > you'd need 71 algorithms I think (factor 6 for EP, 1 for CP, 4 for EO, > 3 for CO, together 6*1*4*3-1). > > What do you think of it? I like the idea of treating four areas the > same way, solving each with a single algorithm. Unfortunately it only > offers mirror symmetry, not rotation symmetry (like OLL and PLL do, I > hope you know what I mean). > > I'm not sure, but I may have invented this while thinking about a > blindsolving method. Could be nice for speedsolving as well, at least > once the areas can be solved independently ;-) > > Cheers! > Stefan I find this idea really interesting, but I think step 1 (bringing each piece to its goal area) would be way too time consuming, so I suggest another approach... Why not just do the first two "areas" intuitively, and then "separate" the last two (put the pieces in their respective goal areas), and then do the last two one by one? I'll be interested to hear what you find out.

Hi. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I'm repeating some of you others. Anyways, here's my question: Is there a standard notation than includes all the possible manipulations of the cube within the boundaries of "the rules"? (i.e. don't rearrange any stickers or mirror reverse it). for example: let mP be the move that transfers FU tu UB by moving a middle slice, and mFR the "move" (manipulation would be better) that turns the cube so that L replace F which replaces R. this means that (mP mFR)^4 is a well known pattern. However, since there is no rules for notation of slice moves and cube turns (that I know of), it takes a while for me to describe what I mean (and not all may get it while reading the first time). I think nothing would be lost and much would be gained if a notation system was used that allowed us to describe the most common manipulations in short, unambiguous ways, but still didn't prevent us from describing more complex maneuvers. What I had in mind is a system that was suggested in 80' or '81, on the cube-lovers mailing list (using my words): Thinking only 3x3x3 for now The move R103 means: "find the rightmost layer, perform one quater turn; do zero on the next layer, three on the layer following that, and zero on all other layers" go on, read it again. It basically means that R103 = "Antislice"; Likewise, (L03 U333)^4 is the movement I was talking about before. L03 means "turn centerslice couterclockwise (CCW) as seen from face L", and U333 means turn top three (i.e. all) layers CCW as seen from the U face, i.e. move the whole cube so L -> F -> R. Also, as always x' (x apostrophe) means "do x reverse", whether x is L100 or (L03 U333)^4; Pros: it can (imho) very accurately describe any cube manipulation within the rules (afaik) Cons: it's lengthy. Consider this "R100 U100 R300 U100 R100 U200 R300" versus this "R U R' U R U2 R'". Which is why I suggest that traling zeroes are omitted, and that single leftover 1's are omitted too. Thus R100 = R1 = R; Extending this to 4x4x4 and 5x5x5: it's still as useful; we can of course define f = F01 or F11 - I must admit that I don't know which it is - and likewise for the other faces. I believe that it might be especially useful for the 5x5x5, where for example F022 L022 U022 would form an interesting pattern that would be slightly longer to describe using only upper- and lowercase face names. I don't know, since I don't own any cubes save for a single 3x3x3 bought through gamesweb.dk (thanks again, Jess). Still, the most potent strength of the notation system (IMHO) is that it, per my example of (L01 U333)^4, clearly describes what to do in a way that would take up more space using only {"U","D","F","B","L","R"} * {"","2","'"}. So, basically, is there a de facto notation system that does what I suggest here or not? Jonas Koelker PS. apologies if this is found overly lenghty or tiresome PPS. The idea is taken from the cube lovers mailing list archive (http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Martin.Schoenert/Cube-Lovers/), posted some time in or before May '81 ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

I find that system very difficult to follow, but then again I found the commonly accepted notation also difficult in the beginning. After your simplifications your system really starts looking a lot like the existing one except for that X' (X prime) is written as X3. I think an "official" notation should be devised from already existing and commonly accepted norms. My suggestion is as follows: Use F, B, R, L, U and D to denote faces as usual. Use f, b, r, l, u and d to denote slices next to their respective faces. Use M, S and E to denote middle slices on 3^3 and 5^3 cubes (cubes of odd degree). Consider making these lowercase too? So that on a 3^3 cube, the slices from left to right would be L, M and R. On a 4^3, they would be L, l, r and R. While on a 5^3, they'd be L, l, M, r and R. Use face notation coupled with rotation element to denote simple face turns as usual - i.e. X, X' and X^2 (or just X2). Use letters as necessary to denote pieces and/or slots on the cube. Use x, y and z for entire cube rotations as used by speedcubing.com. Use Xw for "double turns" like Macky does on his site (nice twist I think). So, Rw on a 3^3 means RM', Rw on a 4^3 or 5^3 means Rr. If you absolutely need "triple turns" perhaps consider making Xv "double" turns and Xw "triple" turns. Use paranthesis to explain which moves are performed together and which aren't. This is just a suggestion for a system that is compiled out of heaps of standards that different people have come up with for themselves of course. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > Hi. > > I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I'm repeating > some of you others. > > Anyways, here's my question: > Is there a standard notation than includes all the > possible manipulations of the cube within the > boundaries of "the rules"? (i.e. don't rearrange any > stickers or mirror reverse it). > > for example: > > let mP be the move that transfers FU tu UB by moving a > middle slice, and mFR the "move" (manipulation would > be better) that turns the cube so that L replace F > which replaces R. > > this means that (mP mFR)^4 is a well known pattern. > However, since there is no rules for notation of slice > moves and cube turns (that I know of), it takes a > while for me to describe what I mean (and not all may > get it while reading the first time). > > I think nothing would be lost and much would be gained > if a notation system was used that allowed us to > describe the most common manipulations in short, > unambiguous ways, but still didn't prevent us from > describing more complex maneuvers. > > What I had in mind is a system that was suggested in > 80' or '81, on the cube-lovers mailing list (using my > words): > > Thinking only 3x3x3 for now > > The move R103 means: "find the rightmost layer, > perform one quater turn; do zero on the next layer, > three on the layer following that, and zero on all > other layers" > > go on, read it again. It basically means that R103 = > "Antislice"; > > Likewise, (L03 U333)^4 is the movement I was talking > about before. L03 means "turn centerslice > couterclockwise (CCW) as seen from face L", and U333 > means turn top three (i.e. all) layers CCW as seen > from the U face, i.e. move the whole cube so L -> F -> > R. > > Also, as always x' (x apostrophe) means "do x > reverse", whether x is L100 or (L03 U333)^4; > > Pros: it can (imho) very accurately describe any cube > manipulation within the rules (afaik) > > Cons: it's lengthy. > Consider this "R100 U100 R300 U100 R100 U200 R300" > versus this "R U R' U R U2 R'". Which is why I suggest > that traling zeroes are omitted, and that single > leftover 1's are omitted too. Thus R100 = R1 = R; > > Extending this to 4x4x4 and 5x5x5: > > it's still as useful; we can of course define f = F01 > or F11 - I must admit that I don't know which it is - > and likewise for the other faces. I believe that it > might be especially useful for the 5x5x5, where for > example F022 L022 U022 would form an interesting > pattern that would be slightly longer to describe > using only upper- and lowercase face names. I don't > know, since I don't own any cubes save for a single > 3x3x3 bought through gamesweb.dk (thanks again, Jess). > > Still, the most potent strength of the notation system > (IMHO) is that it, per my example of (L01 U333)^4, > clearly describes what to do in a way that would take > up more space using only {"U","D","F","B","L","R"} * > {"","2","'"}. > > So, basically, is there a de facto notation system > that does what I suggest here or not? > > Jonas Koelker > > PS. apologies if this is found overly lenghty or > tiresome > PPS. The idea is taken from the cube lovers mailing > list archive > (http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Martin.Schoenert/Cube-Lovers/), > posted some time in or before May '81 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

I'm was trying on the web to look for algorithms and or variation of algorithms that places two edges at once on the mid-layer also tried to find F2L envolving edges only, but so far could not find any that really says or illustrates it clearly. Anybody got any ideas where? I tried to find it on my own using my cube, but all I got are alot of half-cooked and half-baked ideas. And on a lighter note : So far I've influenced two other people here in the Philippines to start cubing. So, as far I'm concerned I can count three cubers. The other two, I think is averaging in the high three minutes (3:49 or so) re: Lube Question I bought and used the ceramic grease on my other cube and so far it works fine. Tell you how it goes when it slowly dries-up. I'm also trying that Olive oil idea but since my palms sweat a lot I think I can start to smell something. Tell you how it goes as well. Arturo N. Diocton, Jr. Quezon City, Philippines TXT Messages/SMS : +639178911343

--- Eivind Fonn <htkra1d@...> wrote: > I find that system very difficult to follow, but then again I found the commonly accepted notation also difficult in the beginning. That's because I suck at phrasing it right. basically my L100=L1=L and my R003 (on a 3^3 cube) is the same as a Singmaster/default L, and my F100=F1=F and B003 is the ... you get the picture. Likewise, B003' = B001 = F1' = F' > After your simplifications your system really starts looking a lot like the existing one... this is, sorry for not making it clear, intentional. > except for that X' (X prime) is written as X3. guess that wasn't clear either. I'd use primes the same way as in "default". so far L * L' = e in both notations (this is the group theoretical * and e). The way 3 should be used is something like L23 > I think an "official" notation should be devised from already existing and commonly accepted norms. I'm glad you put the word official in quotes, I forgot that. <cut> long talk, you all know what he's talking about. Otherwise read his mail. It's the notation system I call "default" </cut> > Use paranthesis to explain which moves are performed together and which aren't. This is to illustrate finger tricks, right? so a Sune is (R U R') (U R) (U2 R') instead of just R U R' U R U2 R'? > This is just a suggestion for a system that is > compiled out of heaps > of standards that different people have come up with > for themselves of > course. like you said, a big mixup with no underlying structure :p Also note that "Default" is fine for 2^3 to 5^3 cubes, it either fails or gets more "clunky" (the opposite of elegant I s'pose it means) for bigger cubes, since you need both upper, lower and inexistent medium case letters, or just more letters with no obvious connection to FURBLD. perhaps ETQAKC? (hint: what's the letter after E and T, respectively?) Mine, on the other hand, adds more numbers that each have a clear relation to the distance of the corresponding slice and the selected "outer"/extremum slice, based on the numbers position. I guess this has more value for theoretical discussions than for explaining the craft of solving the physcial puzzles, since they are limited to 2-5. That being said, I still think that (L02 U333)^4 in a way looks better than (M #)*4 where # is either x, y, z, X, Y or Z; didn't look it up. Also note that I use ^4 where "default" uses *; I don't know if it's "official" but I saw it used on a site you mention. (ALG)^4 is "more correct" when looking at the cube from a group theoretical standpoint; it means ALG * ALG * ALG * ALG; ALG, short for algorithm, means "any sequence of moves", which is the elements of the group's set, and * is the composition rule (ALG1 * ALG2 means "ALG1 followed by ALG2). "Default" uses (M #) * 4 which means (reaing it as group theory notation) M * # * 4, but 4 is not an element of the group's set as "default" defines it. Of course I know what is meant by it, just saying. <turn the silly smileys on> So I guess if this was GroupTheoryWithRubiksCube@..., you'd all appreciate my rant. btw, does anyone know of a GroupTheoryWithRubiksCube or similar group... er... better use another word :p Just my two bits. Well, kilobytes, really, but hey :D Jonas PS. my mail session timed out, so forgive me if I'm double-sending. Didn't say I sent it, so don't think so... ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hi Jonas, The question comes up often. Try this notation U = Upper or top layer (or face) u = middle layer or slice between U and D D = Down or bottom layer F = Front layer f = middle layer or slice between F and B B = Back layer R = Right layer or right side r = middle layer or slice between R and L L = Left layer or left side d, b and l may be used as well. All the lower case letters are middle layers, so "r" is the center slice between the "R" side and the "L" and it is turned in the same direction as the "R" side. U = top turned clockwise 90 degrees With a single quotation mark, like L' = Left side turned counter-clockwise 90 degrees or with a "2" U2 = top turned 180 degrees For orienting the cube for finger tricks: Q for cube, QU2 means rotate the cube in your hand 180 as you would turn the Up side. One of the benefits is the same notation is used for the 4x4x4. As for any notation being official, there is no consensus. Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > Hi. > > I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I'm repeating > some of you others. > > Anyways, here's my question: > Is there a standard notation than includes all the > possible manipulations of the cube within the > boundaries of "the rules"? (i.e. don't rearrange any > stickers or mirror reverse it). > > for example: > > let mP be the move that transfers FU tu UB by moving a > middle slice, and mFR the "move" (manipulation would > be better) that turns the cube so that L replace F > which replaces R. > > this means that (mP mFR)^4 is a well known pattern. > However, since there is no rules for notation of slice > moves and cube turns (that I know of), it takes a > while for me to describe what I mean (and not all may > get it while reading the first time). > > I think nothing would be lost and much would be gained > if a notation system was used that allowed us to > describe the most common manipulations in short, > unambiguous ways, but still didn't prevent us from > describing more complex maneuvers. > > What I had in mind is a system that was suggested in > 80' or '81, on the cube-lovers mailing list (using my > words): > > Thinking only 3x3x3 for now > > The move R103 means: "find the rightmost layer, > perform one quater turn; do zero on the next layer, > three on the layer following that, and zero on all > other layers" > > go on, read it again. It basically means that R103 = > "Antislice"; > > Likewise, (L03 U333)^4 is the movement I was talking > about before. L03 means "turn centerslice > couterclockwise (CCW) as seen from face L", and U333 > means turn top three (i.e. all) layers CCW as seen > from the U face, i.e. move the whole cube so L -> F -> > R. > > Also, as always x' (x apostrophe) means "do x > reverse", whether x is L100 or (L03 U333)^4; > > Pros: it can (imho) very accurately describe any cube > manipulation within the rules (afaik) > > Cons: it's lengthy. > Consider this "R100 U100 R300 U100 R100 U200 R300" > versus this "R U R' U R U2 R'". Which is why I suggest > that traling zeroes are omitted, and that single > leftover 1's are omitted too. Thus R100 = R1 = R; > > Extending this to 4x4x4 and 5x5x5: > > it's still as useful; we can of course define f = F01 > or F11 - I must admit that I don't know which it is - > and likewise for the other faces. I believe that it > might be especially useful for the 5x5x5, where for > example F022 L022 U022 would form an interesting > pattern that would be slightly longer to describe > using only upper- and lowercase face names. I don't > know, since I don't own any cubes save for a single > 3x3x3 bought through gamesweb.dk (thanks again, Jess). > > Still, the most potent strength of the notation system > (IMHO) is that it, per my example of (L01 U333)^4, > clearly describes what to do in a way that would take > up more space using only {"U","D","F","B","L","R"} * > {"","2","'"}. > > So, basically, is there a de facto notation system > that does what I suggest here or not? > > Jonas Koelker > > PS. apologies if this is found overly lenghty or > tiresome > PPS. The idea is taken from the cube lovers mailing > list archive > (http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Martin.Schoenert/Cube-Lovers/), > posted some time in or before May '81 > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hi Stefan, and Others, The first portion of my method: First 2 Levels 1. Place two edge pieces, i.e. one across-the-center-of-one-side pair, on the middle level, like RF and LF (right front and left front) 2. Place four corners on the first level, (on top) 3. Place the other two edges on the middle level, 4. place the four edges of the first level. Of course, there's a lot more to it, but that's the bare bones. Macky tried it for a week and got it down to 15 seconds. Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Yet another cube solution I came up with recently: > > Divide the cube into four equally shaped areas of five cubies each. > The five top-front cubies UL, ULF, UF, UFR and UR are the first area. > If you turn the cube around the x axis you have the next area at the > same positions. Do it again and again to get the last two areas. > [snip] > > Cheers! > Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > I'm was trying on the web to look for algorithms and or variation of > algorithms that places two edges at once on the mid-layer also tried to find > F2L envolving edges only, but so far could not find any that really says or > illustrates it clearly. Anybody got any ideas where? I tried to find it on > my own using my cube, but all I got are alot of half-cooked and half-baked > ideas. > I tried this too, a "pure" layer-by-layer method: - 1st layer - 2nd layer in 2 steps: 2*2 edges - 3rd layer I computed all the sequences needed (about 25-30), don't know if I've still got them somewhere. But it didn't seem interesting compared to the usual way of solving the F2L. Gilles.

I like the idea behind this method...very clean. Having someone solve this method, let's assume that the final algs take 2 - 3 seconds each. If we want to get 20- then you only have 8-12 seconds to fix all the pairity and put everything in place. Recognizing where everything goes is a bit of a pain. Even solving the first 2 sections intuitively(which is the same as Cross + CEpair + CEpair + corner + corner) you still need to put everything into its section and fix pairity. That leaves you with a lot of algs to learn and perform. It does look more blindfold friendly to me, however, I believe the reason the Fridrich, CF, and "normal" BF methods are so popular/efficient is that once something is taken care of, it is solved, you never have to worry about it again (except fixing blindfolded pairity). Handling all the pieces once for permutation(to fix pairity) and then again for a second permutation to solve the piece is inefficient. I can imagine this method in use though. You do what appears to be useless moves and the cube appears to still be scrambled. 4 quick algs later, it's solved. That would be kind of impressive. You could also show off to the public pretty easy if you set up the cube with everything in place already, that would be an 8 - 12 second solve. Not that anybody would be that dishonest ;) TBTT Fox Just for fun, without the internal pairities fixed, you would have EP - 6 EO - 8 CP - 2 CO - 9 in total, that comes out to 864 / 2 = 432 algs.

here's mine: litoxe2718281828 i'm usualy on after 11 pacific macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another > section on my buddy list. > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > crazed pyro 1989 > > im whenver ya want > > later

What about something ressembling to watermans Find 2 adjacent corners correctly oriented Place the 2 other D corners Orient those 2 in 1 sequence. edges of D layer + center. 2nd Layer edges (algorithm done twice to insert 2 edges at once.) Perhaps even someone can dig out how to do ALL the edges, or 3 in case there'S already a good edge. Orient all LL Permutate all LL. This is probably the fastest way of doing the first layer, it seems to be better than doing cross + corners, it'd be nothing more to insert the edges with the corners doing this, it being the Fridrich Method.

aim: soupkid420 im on off and on, just im and say ur a cuber -cubekid mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: here's mine: litoxe2718281828 i'm usualy on after 11 pacific macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another > section on my buddy list. > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > crazed pyro 1989 > > im whenver ya want > > later Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

my aim: brentmorgan1978 my msn: brentmorganmaster@... my yahoo: brentmorganmaster@... my website: www.freewebs.com/brentsuniverse --->brent sapan you <gotsoup420@...> wrote: aim: soupkid420 im on off and on, just im and say ur a cuber -cubekid mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: here's mine: litoxe2718281828 i'm usualy on after 11 pacific macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" <cad182@y...> wrote: > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names and > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make another > section on my buddy list. > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > crazed pyro 1989 > > im whenver ya want > > later Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys, I have a question... I am currently practicing a few 'averages of 100' everyday...and my arms/hands are rather soar sometimes... Not enough to break something or go to the hospital, but just soar that becomes irritating.... is this too much practice? I mean, is there a point where praticing too much will be more _bad_ than _good_, as in becoming bored/uninterested to go fast during a solve, etc.,............... or would keeping practice time only to a few hours a day be better, to keep both the cube/your ams/hands _consistent_? -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey all! I just wanted to say that looking ahead really does help. I know a lot of the messages lately have said this, but I just wanted to share my new _unlucky_ PB, 17.91 seconds, with the group. I have broken my PB 3 times today! Doug

> Hi guys, I have a question... > I am currently practicing <snip> > or would keeping practice time > only to a few hours a day be better, to keep both > the cube/your ams/hands _consistent_? > -bm I think this (a few hours per day) would be better. I've recently trained myself in the use of the dvorak keyboard layout (which I'd recommend to anyone, even "qwerty1110@yahoo" :p), and I'm not gonna go in details with that, but I heard this: practice for a few hours every day, then cease. Also, if trying to re-wire your brian (learn a replacement skill instead of a "fresh" one), don't use the old skill while learning the new, it slows the learning process. In other words, cubing 2/7 is as good as 24/7, when it comes to learning. But when it comes to understanding the marvelous mysteries of life, the universe and everything, nothing compares to cubing 24/7. Jonas ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Question to revengists. The method I found looks like this: 1) L and R sides. 2) M-edges. 3) M-centers. It needs many slice moves and I'm still slow with it (2:10). It requires about 140-150 moves. I wanted to know what's the number of moves with yours. Chris, Masayuki and others?... Gilles.

Hey everyone, I generally don't mind posts that are off topic from cubing, as long as they relate to anything similar to a puzzle, or math, or other skills/hobbies that take a lot of practice as cubing does. Such off topic posts I think are fair game to stay on this forum. There have been a lot of posts lately that are religious in nature, and I have tried to remove them when I see them. I am not against religion, and I feel people should be free to practice whichever religion they choose, however this forum is not the place for it. I will delete all posts that are soley religious in nature, simply because this is a forum about the cube, and topics should relate in some way to the cube and/or puzzles in general. If you feel strongly about your religion and would like to talk with others with similar beliefs, I would suggest searching for one of Yahoo's various religious groups, which can be found at http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/dir/Religion___Beliefs/ Also, I have banned the member who made racist comments based on the deleted posts about relgion. Racism is something that I will not tolerate at all on this group. Anyone who makes a racist comment will be banned. Please keep the posts clean and relatively on topic for the cube/puzzles/math/other things that relate in some sense to puzzles. Thanks, Chris

Warning: the following may offend the very religious folks, as it can be percieved to be mocking the christian faith. This is not intented. It is intended to be a silly joke. Don't read it if you think you'll be offended by either the religious theme or the extreme sillyness. the following algorithm is name Sune by Lars Petrus: (R U R') (U R) (U2 R'); likewise ((R U R') (U R) (U2 R'))' = "U222"/"QU2" (L 2) (L' U' L) (U' L') is named Antisune. If then we name (R2 U R2) Christ, what is (R2 U' R2)? warned ya :p Jonas ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Congratulations! I agree, remembering to look ahead can help TONS. I got about five sub-20 times yesterday when taking an average while remembering to look ahead, which is really good for me. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > Hey all! > > I just wanted to say that looking ahead really does help. I know a lot > of the messages lately have said this, but I just wanted to share my new > _unlucky_ PB, 17.91 seconds, with the group. I have broken my PB 3 > times today! > > Doug

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > Question to revengists. > > The method I found looks like this: 1) L and R sides. 2) M-edges. 3) > M-centers. It needs many slice moves and I'm still slow with it > (2:10). It requires about 140-150 moves. > > I wanted to know what's the number of moves with yours. > Chris, Masayuki and others?... > > Gilles. Hi Gilles, The number of moves varies with each step. This is my strategy for solving the 4x4x4: 1 Eight corners 2 all four "middle level" edge pairs 3 two opposing centers "middle level" 4 two FL edge pairs (on the centers) 5 the four remaining centers 6 two TL edge pairs 7 pair up the remaining edges 8 place the four remaining edge pairs I do the 8 corners first because my 4x4x4 has a different color scheme from my 3x3x3s. Each step has freedom of movement in mind. As you go you'll see that some of it is similar to your 3x3x3 strategy. Regards, David J

This is the (trimmed) average number of moves I need for each step: Centers: 26, 28, 32, 25, 28, 29, (23), 33, 33, 33, (34), 28 => 29.5 Pair edges: 43, 48, 47, (34), 41, 38, 45, (49), 45, 46, 43, 44 => 44.0 3x3: 67f, 77sf, 56, 86sf, 66f, 72f, 71sf, (87sf), 69s, (55s), 75f, 55 => 69.4 "s" means I had to correct the single edge swap parity error "f" means I had to correct the single edge flip parity error Total: 136, 153, 135, 145, 135, 139, 139, (169), 147, 134, 152, (127) => 141,5 I average just under 90 seconds with my method. Lars --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > Question to revengists. > > The method I found looks like this: 1) L and R sides. 2) M-edges. 3) > M-centers. It needs many slice moves and I'm still slow with it > (2:10). It requires about 140-150 moves. > > I wanted to know what's the number of moves with yours. > Chris, Masayuki and others?... > > Gilles.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Vandenbergh" <lars.vandenbergh@s...> wrote: > This is the (trimmed) average number of moves I need for each step: > > Centers: 26, 28, 32, 25, 28, 29, (23), 33, 33, 33, (34), 28 => 29.5 > Pair edges: 43, 48, 47, (34), 41, 38, 45, (49), 45, 46, 43, 44 => 44.0 > 3x3: 67f, 77sf, 56, 86sf, 66f, 72f, 71sf, (87sf), 69s, (55s), 75f, 55 > => 69.4 > > "s" means I had to correct the single edge swap parity error > "f" means I had to correct the single edge flip parity error > > Total: 136, 153, 135, 145, 135, 139, 139, (169), 147, 134, 152, (127) > => 141,5 > > I average just under 90 seconds with my method. > > Lars > Thanks for the details Lars. With that kind of methods, I think I was in the 150-160 range. So, on one hand I'm glad to see there's nothing magical about top revengists' methods, BUT on the other hand I'm really impressed you can be that fast with this cube! I've already broken 2 pieces with mine :-) Gilles. PS: Got my first Square-1. I'll try it on the beach in Britany soon.

Thank you for your timely and appropriate response to the situation, Chris. -K- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

> the following algorithm is name Sune by Lars Petrus: > (R U R') (U R) (U2 R'); likewise ((R U R') (U R) (U2 > R'))' = "U222"/"QU2" Can you explain what is U222 / QU2??

> Can you explain what is U222 / QU2?? > look at U, turn entire cube 180 degrees ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Thanks for the Info. I was trying to see if it will work for me. To make my time faster or do the cube with fewer moves, this I still have to see for myself. Thanks again Arturo N. Diocton, Jr. Quezon City, Philippines SMS : +639178911343 Pupil : The crave of learning and knowledge pushed me to do it... Teacher : Knowledge... yes, power... yes, it is all nothing. But this what they call tropical pizza and cherry soda, thats whats life is all about my young learner -----Original Message----- From: Gilles Roux [mailto:grrroux@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 16:39 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2 edges at once on Mid Layer / F2L Edges --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo N. Diocton Jr." <lebart@m...> wrote: > I'm was trying on the web to look for algorithms and or variation of > algorithms that places two edges at once on the mid-layer also tried to find > F2L envolving edges only, but so far could not find any that really says or > illustrates it clearly. Anybody got any ideas where? I tried to find it on > my own using my cube, but all I got are alot of half-cooked and half-baked > ideas. > I tried this too, a "pure" layer-by-layer method: - 1st layer - 2nd layer in 2 steps: 2*2 edges - 3rd layer I computed all the sequences needed (about 25-30), don't know if I've still got them somewhere. But it didn't seem interesting compared to the usual way of solving the F2L. Gilles. -----Original Message----- From: pathfinder_netstorm [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 04:33 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2 edges at once on Mid Layer / F2L Edges > What about something ressembling to watermans > Find 2 adjacent corners correctly oriented > Place the 2 other D corners > Orient those 2 in 1 sequence. > edges of D layer + center. > 2nd Layer edges (algorithm done twice to insert 2 edges at once.) > Perhaps even someone can dig out how to do ALL the edges, or 3 in > case there'S already a good edge. > Orient all LL > Permutate all LL. > This is probably the fastest way of doing the first layer, it seems > to be better than doing cross + corners, it'd be nothing more to > insert the edges with the corners doing this, it being the Fridrich > Method.

I have encountered a Petrus Method top layer configuration that is not covered on the Petrus Method step 5 and 6 websites. The top looks like this: OOX OOO XOX and the other O or Orange cubelets are postioned like so: O XXX XXX XXXO O I would like to learn all of the top layer algorithms to increase my time. Can anyone tell me what this algorithm is or if I am misunderstanding this step of the petrus method? Thank you. -Nealo

I have been having trouble with the first two layers of the Fridrich Method. I can't seem to do it in less than 2 minutes. However with the Petrus method I can solve the whole cube in about 1 minute 15 seconds. I don't think this is so much because I am better at the Petrus method but that I don't understand how to do the step very well. I have looked over the website a lot but I just can't find anything there to help me. Can anyone give me some advice? Thanks -Nealo.

just do a single "Sune" (lefthand, not right). Read the beginners section for complete information on how to use it (not that I'm saying you are a beginner, that's just where the info you need is). the moves are - specific to your picture: (R' U' R) (U' R') (U2 R) This is of course step 6, orieting corners, after you've permuted them. The problem is that Petrus' page doesn't list symmetries, but it doesn't matter much, since most of them is just mirroring them in your head (position types C, D, F and G), which is easy when you understand the underlying principle of how the algorithms work. Allright, type E is a pain to mirror, since the axis is diagonal. If you want to lears the algs for step(6+7), note that Lars uses the counterintuitive opposite permutation notation, showing where the pieces are as opposed to how they move when doing the alg in question. If this is unclear, solve the cube, then do a D4 in reverse. Compare your cube to the D4 picture. Also, I suggest you read step 7, and look close at the cube where he demonstrates one Allan (permute 3 edges) done by using 2 Sune. Note that for the supercube (centers have orientations), these aren't identical (use one * undo that with the other = 180 twist of a centre). Also, I'd suggest doing the sune from different wholecube orientations and viewing angles, since the simple solutions use almost only sune, antisune, rune and bruno, which are all very similar in the way at least I think 'em. oh, and by the way, I think you meant you want to either improve or decrease your time (which actually is the same here). Working on increasing your time is the silly stuff I do :D Jonas --- meat15k <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have encountered a Petrus Method top layer > configuration that is > not covered on the Petrus Method step 5 and 6 > websites. The top looks > like this: > > OOX > OOO > XOX > > and the other O or Orange cubelets are postioned > like so: > > O > XXX > XXX > XXXO > O > > I would like to learn all of the top layer > algorithms to increase my > time. Can anyone tell me what this algorithm is or > if I am > misunderstanding this step of the petrus method? > Thank you. > > -Nealo > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hi Gilles, In Japanese cubing community, 4x4x4 is one of hot topics now. This is my old statstics probabaly a year ago. Done with some sort of advanced method. The critical difference is making 2 adjuscent middle edge pairs first. I got 10 times parity problems out of 12. worst best average 2pairs 3 4 3.7 8Corners 25 22 21.5 MidEdges 45 35 39.5 Ucenter ? 41 44.8 U3edges 74 56 67.3 Mcenter 115 93 105.2 Uledge 128 102 117.5 LL 173 133 153.6 (parity) + + 10/12 I don't see big difference among the methods. Masayuki Akimoto

Hello, I'm new to the group, and perhaps this question isn't strictly what the group is for, but I'm looking to purchase a 12 sided puzzle. I believe it's called the megaminx, or something very close to that. Any help in find this puzzle to purchase would be very helpful. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

This doesnt seem right, it looks like a unconfigurable cube. The sune pattern is 0 XXX XXX XXX0 0 or 0 XXX0 XXX XXX 0

Well, I think a Sune is what he (unknowingly) ment, but the graphics turned out poor. Jonas --- pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > This doesnt seem right, it looks like a > unconfigurable cube. > > The sune pattern is > > 0 > XXX > XXX > XXX0 > 0 > > or > > 0 > XXX0 > XXX > XXX > 0 > > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hey! Mine is: EMAIL: azinj05ieipih@... AIM: AZINJ05IEIPIH and my site is: http://freewebs.com/azinj05ieipih and xanga xanga.com/AZIN_J05IEIPIH THanks~ Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@y...> wrote: > here's mine: litoxe2718281828 > > i'm usualy on after 11 pacific > > macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cad182" > <cad182@y...> wrote: > > all aim cubers (aol instant messager) unite post ur screen names > and > > add names. if i can get a enough cubers then im going to make > another > > section on my buddy list. > > > > if you do have it add my name, it is > > > > crazed pyro 1989 > > > > im whenver ya want > > > > later

the answer is 64 4x4x4=64 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Your best bet would be to check www.mefferts.com . They offer a 6 color megaminx. As far as I know, the 12 color megaminx is not available anywhere save for on ebay occaisionally. You might also check http://www.puzzle-shop.de/start-shop.html though I've never used that vendor... Best of luck! Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Mofo Esad <mofoesad@y...> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to the group, and perhaps this question isn't > strictly what the group is for, but I'm looking to > purchase a 12 sided puzzle. I believe it's called the > megaminx, or something very close to that. Any help in > find this puzzle to purchase would be very helpful. > > Thanks > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I have a collection of about 34 cuber videos (single solve 3x3x3). I have: Masayuki Akimoto Jessica Fridrich Katsuyuki Konishi Jess Bonde Lars Petrus Shotaro Makisumi Jon Morris Brent Morgan Lars V. (how to spell that?) Ron Van Bruchem Wiktoria Zborowska Doug Li Chris Szlatenyi Dan Henage Mr Kondo Kyle Bryant if you have a video of a single solve 3x3x3 and aren't on this list, please send me a link or something to it. Im collecting videos so that maybe someday we can make something out of them all...or maybe just so I can compete with them as I improve, who knows what will become of this collection, Im trying to make it grow nonetheless. :) K :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/DanielHayes.avi http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/pirateminx.avi Both of those are me and I'm quite proud of the piratey megaminx solve! I have a rather large collection of solution vids, Gilles vids, and various cube related video captures as well, I'll have to sort them out sometime. Best, Daniel Hayes --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > I have a collection of about 34 cuber videos (single > solve 3x3x3). > > I have: > Masayuki Akimoto > Jessica Fridrich > Katsuyuki Konishi > Jess Bonde > Lars Petrus > Shotaro Makisumi > Jon Morris > Brent Morgan > Lars V. (how to spell that?) > Ron Van Bruchem > Wiktoria Zborowska > Doug Li > Chris Szlatenyi > Dan Henage > Mr Kondo > Kyle Bryant > > if you have a video of a single solve 3x3x3 and aren't > on this list, please send me a link or something to > it. Im collecting videos so that maybe someday we can > make something out of them all...or maybe just so I > can compete with them as I improve, who knows what > will become of this collection, Im trying to make it > grow nonetheless. > > :) K :) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Here are my numbers in the same format as Lars did his. I also use a centers first approach, so my steps are the same. I counted in the following metric: 1) inner slice moves turned with its adjacent outer layer is countd as one move (D d), (U u) etc. 2) turning an inner slice by first turning the double layer, then undoing the outer move counts as 2 moves (D d) D' = d counts as 2 moves 3) turning an inner layer by itself using my finger to turn it counts as 1 move 4) All outer layer turns (and inner layer turns) are counted as in HTM Solve centers: 29, 30, 29, 30, 27, 29, 28, 25, 32, 27 => 28.6 Pair up edges: 31, 43, 36, 40, 40, 48, 43, 41, 52, 44 => 41.8 Solve as a 3x3x3: 63, 68o, 81op, 73o, 49, 85op, 53p, 66p, 54, 73op => 66.5 p = permutation parity error (two edges are swapped) o = orientation parity error (one edge is flipped) Total counts are: 123, 141, 146, 143, 116, 162, 124, 132, 138, 144 => 136.9 Again these numbers are in the metric as defined above. All the improvements I make to my method try to minimize the number of moves in the move metric as defined above. Also, my average average is about 1:20-1:21, so I do about 1.69-1.75 moves/sec on average. Hope this helps, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Vandenbergh" <lars.vandenbergh@s...> wrote: > This is the (trimmed) average number of moves I need for each step: > > Centers: 26, 28, 32, 25, 28, 29, (23), 33, 33, 33, (34), 28 => 29.5 > Pair edges: 43, 48, 47, (34), 41, 38, 45, (49), 45, 46, 43, 44 => 44.0 > 3x3: 67f, 77sf, 56, 86sf, 66f, 72f, 71sf, (87sf), 69s, (55s), 75f, 55 > => 69.4 > > "s" means I had to correct the single edge swap parity error > "f" means I had to correct the single edge flip parity error > > Total: 136, 153, 135, 145, 135, 139, 139, (169), 147, 134, 152, (127) > => 141,5 > > I average just under 90 seconds with my method. > > Lars > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@f...> wrote: > > Question to revengists. > > > > The method I found looks like this: 1) L and R sides. 2) M- edges. 3) > > M-centers. It needs many slice moves and I'm still slow with it > > (2:10). It requires about 140-150 moves. > > > > I wanted to know what's the number of moves with yours. > > Chris, Masayuki and others?... > > > > Gilles.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Here are my numbers in the same format as Lars did his. I also use > a centers first approach, so my steps are the same. > > I counted in the following metric: > 1) inner slice moves turned with its adjacent outer layer is countd > as one move (D d), (U u) etc. > 2) turning an inner slice by first turning the double layer, then > undoing the outer move counts as 2 moves (D d) D' = d counts as 2 > moves > 3) turning an inner layer by itself using my finger to turn it > counts as 1 move > 4) All outer layer turns (and inner layer turns) are counted as in > HTM > > Solve centers: 29, 30, 29, 30, 27, 29, 28, 25, 32, 27 => 28.6 > Pair up edges: 31, 43, 36, 40, 40, 48, 43, 41, 52, 44 => 41.8 > Solve as a 3x3x3: 63, 68o, 81op, 73o, 49, 85op, 53p, 66p, 54, 73op > => 66.5 > > p = permutation parity error (two edges are swapped) > o = orientation parity error (one edge is flipped) > > Total counts are: 123, 141, 146, 143, 116, 162, 124, 132, 138, 144 > => 136.9 > > Again these numbers are in the metric as defined above. All the > improvements I make to my method try to minimize the number of moves > in the move metric as defined above. > > Also, my average average is about 1:20-1:21, so I do about 1.69-1.75 > moves/sec on average. > > Hope this helps, > Chris I like your metric Chris, because it's more about effective speed (if I use it for my poor method, I think I'm close to 200 moves). I guess you almost don't use slice moves, except for parity fixing and a few other things, and that's what makes this method really interesting. Gilles. PS: There's something I definitely don't like about fixing the edge-center parity at the end, don't know why ;-)

Please post your comments? right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, my cube is non lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark Jaeys.net method #1, with a working corner and am trying to learn these new algorithms. How much faster is this method compared to Jaeys.net??!?!? and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing and recognizing these maneouvers.

The working corner is pretty nice. One of my friends, Mark Sullivan, came up with a "working edge" method. It works quite nicely as well. As for memorizing algorithms, the main thing of course is practice. For me, I memorize an algorithm by how it feels. If you've ever played music, a pianist knows exactly what a chord feels like or how a passage goes or what arpeggio goes where and how the fingers have to be placed here and there. Basically, for me, I memorize not the moves but the muscle movements. I have to do the algorithm enough so that the muscles are trained to do the sequence. I believe this is the fastest way to go... the algorithms need to be memorized into the subconscious... so you see the pattern, you react, and your fingers move, and you don't think about anything. Of course, this may be very demanding. That's basically how I do it. Otherwise, really... in order to memorize algorithms, you just have to practice. One of my friends, Leyan Lo, keeps trying to convince me than an intuitive idea of the algorithm, knowing what it does and how it moves the pieces around is the way to go. Though this may make memorization easier, I am convinced that taking time to think about things will take away from your cubing speed. Of course, this doesn't mean that when I do an algorithm, I don't know what it does. I've done the algorithm enough so that I know if I do this and there's an edge in there I want, I know where it will be ejected to and in what orientation and so I can be prepared. Um... I'm probably writing more than I need to but I really don't want to do these prelabs. I guess this isn't helping. Anyway, for recognizing things, of course, it depends on your system. I am not familiar with Mark Jeays' system. I just glanced at the website (and it's Jeays and not Jaeys) and it seems like most of the solution deals with very easy to recognize cases. I mean, when making a cross on the bottom, all you have to see is how many yellow edge pieces are in the right place (or whatever color you use) and that should be sufficient. I guess it might help if I explain how to recognize the situations for the Fridrich? The most common thing people ask about is how to recognize PLL situations. Dan Harris I think had a nice thing on his website. What I do... is most of the time, I look for a block. If I see that a corner and an edge shares a color, I match up that block to its face and then, it's quite clear which one is which. I'd be happy to tell you each and every situation... though it might be more useful when you learn a method such as Fridrich. OLL... because of the nature of the orientations, these should be pretty easy to recognize. If you're looking for cases, just see the case, and then look for the distinguishing mark. All right, it's time I go do work now. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2004, at 3:29 AM, donutflask wrote: > Please post your comments? > > right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, my cube is non > lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark Jaeys.net method #1, > with a working corner and am trying to learn these new algorithms. > > How much faster is this method compared to Jaeys.net??!?!? > > and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing and recognizing > these maneouvers. > > > > >

Hi I use Dan Knights' Intermediate Method. Dan Knights has three methods posted on his site, but they only differ by the LL. In fact, all he has posted are his LL systems. They are all fast though, and the Intermediate method + a (intuitively-learned) Fridrich F2L is good enough for me to average a little over 28 seconds. However, My Fridrich F2L is not as fast as many other people's, and if you do a working corner method + Knights' 4-look LL you should be pretty fast. I know of one person at least that does a working corner method instead of a Fridrich F2L and continually kicks my ass =) Add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you need further help. All of my contact info is in the database at http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ Hope it helps. Doug Reed Doug donutflask wrote: >Please post your comments? > >right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, my cube is non >lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark Jaeys.net method #1, >with a working corner and am trying to learn these new algorithms. > >How much faster is this method compared to Jaeys.net??!?!? > >and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing and recognizing >these maneouvers. > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Hi Everyone, I feel compelled to do this. Don't forget about the United States Championships on July 10 at Caltech in Pasadena California and also the European Championships on August 7 and 8 in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. *must... have... sleep* Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

Hi. I just wanna give my two bits on the F2L. I use Petrus, and I like to challenge the accepted norm to realize why it's better or worse than what I suggest. So here's my thought of the day: The only difference between Fridrich F2L and Petrus F2L is that you (with Petrus) assemble the cross on the fly (well, you orient edges too, but you can skip it if you want); this means that the Petrus method has a higher degree of freedom vs. Fridrich; higher degree of freedom, when used right, leads to fewer moves on average, which leads to lower times. Therefore, Petrus F2L is superior to Fridrich F2L. I also have a gut feel that it's superior to working corner, but I won't claim it... yet :p so, the challenge for everyone who accepts it is: prove me wrong. Or argue that I'm wrong in a very convincing way. On a sidenote: the order of Knights 4-look LL (thirteen algs) is the same as Petrus LL (three algs); Jonas [inspired by the following] --- Doug Reed <dougreed@...> wrote: > Hi > > I use Dan Knights' Intermediate Method. > > Dan Knights has three methods posted on his site, > but they only differ > by the LL. In fact, all he has posted are his LL > systems. They are all > fast though, and the Intermediate method + a > (intuitively-learned) > Fridrich F2L is good enough for me to average a > little over 28 seconds. > > However, My Fridrich F2L is not as fast as many > other people's, and if > you do a working corner method + Knights' 4-look LL > you should be pretty > fast. I know of one person at least that does a > working corner method > instead of a Fridrich F2L and continually kicks my > ass =) > > Add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you need further > help. All of my > contact info is in the database at > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > Hope it helps. > Doug Reed > > Doug > > donutflask wrote: > > >Please post your comments? > > > >right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, > my cube is non > >lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark > Jaeys.net method #1, > >with a working corner and am trying to learn these > new algorithms. > > > >How much faster is this method compared to > Jaeys.net??!?!? > > > >and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing > and recognizing > >these maneouvers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

I don't see what you mean that the petrus method has higher freedom then the f2l. If anything it has less freedom because you are convided to working off of a cube. In the F2l you are working off of a cross and that has a lot more different routes then building a cube. I am not trying to make any method sound better than they other. I just don't understand your reasoning for an argument about superiority. jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > Hi. > > I just wanna give my two bits on the F2L. I use > Petrus, and I like to challenge the accepted norm to > realize why it's better or worse than what I suggest. > > So here's my thought of the day: The only difference > between Fridrich F2L and Petrus F2L is that you (with > Petrus) assemble the cross on the fly (well, you > orient edges too, but you can skip it if you want); > this means that the Petrus method has a higher degree > of freedom vs. Fridrich; higher degree of freedom, > when used right, leads to fewer moves on average, > which leads to lower times. Therefore, Petrus F2L is > superior to Fridrich F2L. I also have a gut feel that > it's superior to working corner, but I won't claim > it... yet :p > > so, the challenge for everyone who accepts it is: > prove me wrong. Or argue that I'm wrong in a very > convincing way. > > On a sidenote: the order of Knights 4-look LL > (thirteen algs) is the same as Petrus LL (three algs); > > Jonas > > [inspired by the following] > > --- Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > > Hi > > > > I use Dan Knights' Intermediate Method. > > > > Dan Knights has three methods posted on his site, > > but they only differ > > by the LL. In fact, all he has posted are his LL > > systems. They are all > > fast though, and the Intermediate method + a > > (intuitively-learned) > > Fridrich F2L is good enough for me to average a > > little over 28 seconds. > > > > However, My Fridrich F2L is not as fast as many > > other people's, and if > > you do a working corner method + Knights' 4-look LL > > you should be pretty > > fast. I know of one person at least that does a > > working corner method > > instead of a Fridrich F2L and continually kicks my > > ass =) > > > > Add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you need further > > help. All of my > > contact info is in the database at > > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > Hope it helps. > > Doug Reed > > > > Doug > > > > donutflask wrote: > > > > >Please post your comments? > > > > > >right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, > > my cube is non > > >lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark > > Jaeys.net method #1, > > >with a working corner and am trying to learn these > > new algorithms. > > > > > >How much faster is this method compared to > > Jaeys.net??!?!? > > > > > >and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing > > and recognizing > > >these maneouvers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Yes I definately meant to say "decrease." Thanks for the info, I think that's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks a lot! -Nealo. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > just do a single "Sune" (lefthand, not right). Read > the beginners section for complete information on how > to use it (not that I'm saying you are a beginner, > that's just where the info you need is). > > the moves are - specific to your picture: (R' U' R) > (U' R') (U2 R) > > This is of course step 6, orieting corners, after > you've permuted them. The problem is that Petrus' page > doesn't list symmetries, but it doesn't matter much, > since most of them is just mirroring them in your head > (position types C, D, F and G), which is easy when you > understand the underlying principle of how the > algorithms work. Allright, type E is a pain to mirror, > since the axis is diagonal. > > If you want to lears the algs for step(6+7), note that > Lars uses the counterintuitive opposite permutation > notation, showing where the pieces are as opposed to > how they move when doing the alg in question. If this > is unclear, solve the cube, then do a D4 in reverse. > Compare your cube to the D4 picture. > > Also, I suggest you read step 7, and look close at the > cube where he demonstrates one Allan (permute 3 edges) > done by using 2 Sune. Note that for the supercube > (centers have orientations), these aren't identical > (use one * undo that with the other = 180 twist of a > centre). > > Also, I'd suggest doing the sune from different > wholecube orientations and viewing angles, since the > simple solutions use almost only sune, antisune, rune > and bruno, which are all very similar in the way at > least I think 'em. > > oh, and by the way, I think you meant you want to > either improve or decrease your time (which actually > is the same here). Working on increasing your time is > the silly stuff I do :D > > Jonas > > --- meat15k <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I have encountered a Petrus Method top layer > > configuration that is > > not covered on the Petrus Method step 5 and 6 > > websites. The top looks > > like this: > > > > OOX > > OOO > > XOX > > > > and the other O or Orange cubelets are postioned > > like so: > > > > O > > XXX > > XXX > > XXXO > > O > > > > I would like to learn all of the top layer > > algorithms to increase my > > time. Can anyone tell me what this algorithm is or > > if I am > > misunderstanding this step of the petrus method? > > Thank you. > > > > -Nealo > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

well, that and the irrefutable fact that dexterity, alg recognition (or subcase recognition), and the ability to look ahead and keep track of n pieces also plays a role in the creation of your f2l leads me to believe that superiority is a little more dubious in terms of its determination. inefficient use of turns in achieving goals is possible with both methods. short sightedness is as well. Its one thing to say that a method is inefficient on average, but thats using ceteris paribus, (the all things equal assumption) i.e. you are assuming that there is an ideal speedcuber that given a full understanding and extensive practice of both methods would, on average, finish with petrus faster than fridrich. Its a whole different thing to assume this kind of situation would be reflected among the rest of us (the non perfect cubers). -K- --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I don't see what you mean that the petrus method has > higher freedom > then the f2l. If anything it has less freedom > because you are > convided to working off of a cube. In the F2l you > are working off of > a cross and that has a lot more different routes > then building a > cube. I am not trying to make any method sound > better than they > other. I just don't understand your reasoning for > an argument about > superiority. > > jake > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas > Koelker > <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I just wanna give my two bits on the F2L. I use > > Petrus, and I like to challenge the accepted norm > to > > realize why it's better or worse than what I > suggest. > > > > So here's my thought of the day: The only > difference > > between Fridrich F2L and Petrus F2L is that you > (with > > Petrus) assemble the cross on the fly (well, you > > orient edges too, but you can skip it if you > want); > > this means that the Petrus method has a higher > degree > > of freedom vs. Fridrich; higher degree of freedom, > > when used right, leads to fewer moves on average, > > which leads to lower times. Therefore, Petrus F2L > is > > superior to Fridrich F2L. I also have a gut feel > that > > it's superior to working corner, but I won't claim > > it... yet :p > > > > so, the challenge for everyone who accepts it is: > > prove me wrong. Or argue that I'm wrong in a very > > convincing way. > > > > On a sidenote: the order of Knights 4-look LL > > (thirteen algs) is the same as Petrus LL (three > algs); > > > > Jonas > > > > [inspired by the following] > > > > --- Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I use Dan Knights' Intermediate Method. > > > > > > Dan Knights has three methods posted on his > site, > > > but they only differ > > > by the LL. In fact, all he has posted are his > LL > > > systems. They are all > > > fast though, and the Intermediate method + a > > > (intuitively-learned) > > > Fridrich F2L is good enough for me to average a > > > little over 28 seconds. > > > > > > However, My Fridrich F2L is not as fast as many > > > other people's, and if > > > you do a working corner method + Knights' 4-look > LL > > > you should be pretty > > > fast. I know of one person at least that does a > > > working corner method > > > instead of a Fridrich F2L and continually kicks > my > > > ass =) > > > > > > Add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you need further > > > help. All of my > > > contact info is in the database at > > > > > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > Hope it helps. > > > Doug Reed > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > donutflask wrote: > > > > > > >Please post your comments? > > > > > > > >right now i solve the cube on average around > 1:25, > > > my cube is non > > > >lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark > > > Jaeys.net method #1, > > > >with a working corner and am trying to learn > these > > > new algorithms. > > > > > > > >How much faster is this method compared to > > > Jaeys.net??!?!? > > > > > > > >and can anyone give some helpful tips on > memorizing > > > and recognizing > > > >these maneouvers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

ok, I have tons of videos (38 now not including RNCs and non special, non single 3x3 solves as well as non 3x3 solves) I was thinking perhaps a couple of us could collaborate on a dvd that exemplifies the skill of all cubers who have videos, and perhaps cuber bios and method stuff. I have a DVD authoring program and video editing on my pc, nothing for profit, just a fun way to get all these videos compiled for neocuber consumption... any ideas? my AIM: RemixTehCubies or on yahoo as....ah, you figure it out. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hey everyone, I have an informal challenge for anyone who enjoys solving their 4x4x4. I've been thinking a lot lately about how to avoid the edge parity errors on the 4x4x4 while speed solving. I have found a new solving method that avoids both parities every time, however it takes a lot of mental calculation and is, right now, not ready to be used as a speed solve method. I've detailed my method at the bottom of this message for anyone who is interested. My challenge to the 4x4x4 enthusiasts is to find an algorithm (meaned in the mathematical sense, so a series of possibly several steps) that is 1) efficient and FAST, 2) always avoids both parity errors, and 3) solves the cube :) I'm currently trying to design a new speed solve method around this idea, and I have come up with a few new ideas, but none of them are faster than just correcting the parities when they come up on my normal speed solve method. The amount of time that people have put into the 3x3x3 methods is amazing, and we need to do the same for the 4x4x4. Solving the 4x4x4 with a method that does not have an algorithm in place for avoiding both parities is like solving the 3x3x3 with an inefficient layer-by-layer method. My challenge is for us to create a 4x4x4 revenge method (or even several!) that are as efficient for the 4x4x4 as Petrus, Fridrich, Waterman's methods are for the 3x3x3. Right now there are no readily available programs that analyze 4x4x4 positions, and not a lot of people are doing the 4x4x4 compared to the 3x3x3. Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but in trying to come up with this new method, I feel a little like the original 3x3x3 solvers trying to come up with an efficient method for the 3x3x3 for the very first time. Anyway I hope some others are up to the challenge as well. If I come up with any interesting ideas for a speed solve method that can implement the strategies of some of my method below I'll post it to this group. I hope others will do the same too, and we can try to come up with a new speed solve method for the 4x4x4 that will be just as efficient as the methods are for the 3x3x3. Hope to hear from some others who are interested, Chris --------------------------------------------- My always avoid both parity errors 4x4x4 method: I am biased towards a centers first approach so the method follows centers first. However, I have outlined with asterisks what exactly needs to be done on the cube to avoid the parities, so that people who use other methods can adapt this strategy to their methods as well. 1) Solve 2 opposite centers 2) Count the cycles in the edge orbit, exactly like I was going to memorize them for a blindfolded solve, however don't memorize the piece positions just the number of edge pieces in each cycle. Say you have one cycle of length 16, two of length 3, and 2 pieces are in their correct locations. You have two odd cyles (the ones of length 3) which can be solved individually using commutators. **All odd cycles can individually reduce to solved**. You also have 1 even cycle (the one of length 16). **Even cycles individually cannot be reduced down to solved**. Since you don't have an even number of even cycles (2 even cycles can be reduced to solved) then the parity of the edge orbit is odd. ******************* Odd parity in the edge orbit = Orientation parity error (one edge group will be flipped in the LL) ******************* 3) Now I solve the remaining 4 centers, but I count the number of moves it takes me to do it. You HAVE to solve the remaining centers in an odd number of inner slice moves to correct the orientation parity error. It takes some thinking to do this, but it can always be done. By solving the centers in an odd number of inner slice moves you will change the edge orbit's parity back to even, and thus you've eliminated the orientation parity error. If the edge orbit was originally even after solving the first two centers, then you have to solve the last 4 in an EVEN number of inner slice moves. Either way, you have to solve all 6 centers and end up with the edge oribt having even parity. 4) Solve all the edge groups but 2. 5) Now count the cycles of the edge groups, just like you would on a 3x3x3 cube. When you get to your unsolved edge groups, pretend that one of the two pieces is the color of the entire edge group and keep counting. If the cycle uses both edge groups, remember to switch colors on the second one. Using the same principle of even and odd cycles, decide if the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit is even or odd. 6) Count the cycles in the corners (only the positions matter), decided if it is even or odd 7) If the parity of the edge orbit matches the corner orbit, then the decision you made back when you choose the color of the unsolved edge group was correct. Solve the last two edge groups the way you found by counting cycles. If the parity of the corners does not match the parity of the edges, then you decided incorrectly back when counting the 4x4x4 as a 3x3x3 edge group cycles. Just solve them the other way. ******************** Matching the parity of the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit and the parity of the corner orbit = avoid the edge positioning parity error ******************** 8) Solve your cube as a 3x3x3. You are guaranteed to never run into the parity error, so go absolutely full speed :)

Right after I posted this I came up with an idea for a new speedsolve method. 1) Use the 15 second inspection time solely to count the cycles in the edge group. You will have to practice this by itself a lot, and have various memory shortcuts to memorize which pieces haven't been counted yet after counting a long cycle. It is hard to fund which piece haven't been counted after finding a cycle of length 19 or so. 2) Now solve the centers full speed but count in your head (even, odd, even, odd, even, odd) for the parity of the edge orbit after each inner slice quarter turn. Make sure when you solve the centers, for that last move that the edge orbit is even. This will always avoid the orientation parity. What do you guys think? I think it would be possible with a lot of practice to determine the edge oribt's parity on a scrambled cube within 15 seconds. Also with practice I think you could track the parity of the edges throughout the solving of the centers while still going full speed, and finish the centers on a "even" turn. I am going to start practicing this in my solving and see if is managable and if it is faster than the current 4x4x4 methods. I'll post again once I've tried practiced the method several times. I'm excited as this seems like a reasonable amount of mental calculation, I hope it works! Hope to hear from some others about new 4x4x4 methods as well, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I have an informal challenge for anyone who enjoys solving their > 4x4x4. I've been thinking a lot lately about how to avoid the edge > parity errors on the 4x4x4 while speed solving. > > I have found a new solving method that avoids both parities every > time, however it takes a lot of mental calculation and is, right > now, not ready to be used as a speed solve method. > > I've detailed my method at the bottom of this message for anyone who > is interested. > > My challenge to the 4x4x4 enthusiasts is to find an algorithm > (meaned in the mathematical sense, so a series of possibly several > steps) that is 1) efficient and FAST, 2) always avoids both parity > errors, and 3) solves the cube :) > > I'm currently trying to design a new speed solve method around this > idea, and I have come up with a few new ideas, but none of them are > faster than just correcting the parities when they come up on my > normal speed solve method. > > The amount of time that people have put into the 3x3x3 methods is > amazing, and we need to do the same for the 4x4x4. Solving the > 4x4x4 with a method that does not have an algorithm in place for > avoiding both parities is like solving the 3x3x3 with an inefficient > layer-by-layer method. > > My challenge is for us to create a 4x4x4 revenge method (or even > several!) that are as efficient for the 4x4x4 as Petrus, Fridrich, > Waterman's methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Right now there are no readily available programs that analyze 4x4x4 > positions, and not a lot of people are doing the 4x4x4 compared to > the 3x3x3. > > Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but in trying to come up with this > new method, I feel a little like the original 3x3x3 solvers trying > to come up with an efficient method for the 3x3x3 for the very first > time. > > Anyway I hope some others are up to the challenge as well. If I > come up with any interesting ideas for a speed solve method that can > implement the strategies of some of my method below I'll post it to > this group. I hope others will do the same too, and we can try to > come up with a new speed solve method for the 4x4x4 that will be > just as efficient as the methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Hope to hear from some others who are interested, > Chris > --------------------------------------------- > > My always avoid both parity errors 4x4x4 method: > > I am biased towards a centers first approach so the method follows > centers first. However, I have outlined with asterisks what exactly > needs to be done on the cube to avoid the parities, so that people > who use other methods can adapt this strategy to their methods as > well. > > > 1) Solve 2 opposite centers > > 2) Count the cycles in the edge orbit, exactly like I was going to > memorize them for a blindfolded solve, however don't memorize the > piece positions just the number of edge pieces in each cycle. Say > you have one cycle of length 16, two of length 3, and 2 pieces are > in their correct locations. > > You have two odd cyles (the ones of length 3) which can be solved > individually using commutators. **All odd cycles can individually > reduce to solved**. You also have 1 even cycle (the one of length > 16). **Even cycles individually cannot be reduced down to > solved**. Since you don't have an even number of even cycles (2 > even cycles can be reduced to solved) then the parity of the edge > orbit is odd. > > ******************* > Odd parity in the edge orbit = Orientation parity error (one edge > group will be flipped in the LL) > ******************* > > 3) Now I solve the remaining 4 centers, but I count the number of > moves it takes me to do it. You HAVE to solve the remaining centers > in an odd number of inner slice moves to correct the orientation > parity error. It takes some thinking to do this, but it can always > be done. By solving the centers in an odd number of inner slice > moves you will change the edge orbit's parity back to even, and thus > you've eliminated the orientation parity error. > > If the edge orbit was originally even after solving the first two > centers, then you have to solve the last 4 in an EVEN number of > inner slice moves. Either way, you have to solve all 6 centers and > end up with the edge oribt having even parity. > > 4) Solve all the edge groups but 2. > > 5) Now count the cycles of the edge groups, just like you would on a > 3x3x3 cube. When you get to your unsolved edge groups, pretend that > one of the two pieces is the color of the entire edge group and keep > counting. If the cycle uses both edge groups, remember to switch > colors on the second one. Using the same principle of even and odd > cycles, decide if the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit is even or > odd. > > 6) Count the cycles in the corners (only the positions matter), > decided if it is even or odd > > 7) If the parity of the edge orbit matches the corner orbit, then > the decision you made back when you choose the color of the unsolved > edge group was correct. Solve the last two edge groups the way you > found by counting cycles. If the parity of the corners does not > match the parity of the edges, then you decided incorrectly back > when counting the 4x4x4 as a 3x3x3 edge group cycles. Just solve > them the other way. > > ******************** > Matching the parity of the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit and > the parity of the corner orbit = avoid the edge positioning parity > error > ******************** > > 8) Solve your cube as a 3x3x3. You are guaranteed to never run into > the parity error, so go absolutely full speed :)

You're more than welcome. Always happy to help a Petrus user (a petruser? /usr/ptrs? :p yeah I'm a geek). Also, my Tip of the Moment right now: whenever you need to learn an algorithm (whether for Petrus simple or Petrus Advanced), try repeating it from solved till you reach solved again. Also try the same thing in reverse, and try it mirrored. This is especially useful for learning step(6+7): case C and D - they are very similar. Try repeating both "Sune" and "Sune U2". Can you explain to yoursely why the cycles length differs? just some suggested excercises. a question too: are you learning the step(5+6) algs? is it worth it if you use (6+7) too? --- meat15k <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Yes I definately meant to say "decrease." Thanks for > the info, I > think that's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks a > lot! > > -Nealo. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas > Koelker > <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > > just do a single "Sune" (lefthand, not right). > Read > > the beginners section for complete information on > how > > to use it (not that I'm saying you are a beginner, > > that's just where the info you need is). > > > > the moves are - specific to your picture: (R' U' > R) > > (U' R') (U2 R) > > > > This is of course step 6, orieting corners, after > > you've permuted them. The problem is that Petrus' > page > > doesn't list symmetries, but it doesn't matter > much, > > since most of them is just mirroring them in your > head > > (position types C, D, F and G), which is easy when > you > > understand the underlying principle of how the > > algorithms work. Allright, type E is a pain to > mirror, > > since the axis is diagonal. > > > > If you want to lears the algs for step(6+7), note > that > > Lars uses the counterintuitive opposite > permutation > > notation, showing where the pieces are as opposed > to > > how they move when doing the alg in question. If > this > > is unclear, solve the cube, then do a D4 in > reverse. > > Compare your cube to the D4 picture. > > > > Also, I suggest you read step 7, and look close at > the > > cube where he demonstrates one Allan (permute 3 > edges) > > done by using 2 Sune. Note that for the supercube > > (centers have orientations), these aren't > identical > > (use one * undo that with the other = 180 twist of > a > > centre). > > > > Also, I'd suggest doing the sune from different > > wholecube orientations and viewing angles, since > the > > simple solutions use almost only sune, antisune, > rune > > and bruno, which are all very similar in the way > at > > least I think 'em. > > > > oh, and by the way, I think you meant you want to > > either improve or decrease your time (which > actually > > is the same here). Working on increasing your time > is > > the silly stuff I do :D > > > > Jonas > > > > --- meat15k <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I have encountered a Petrus Method top layer > > > configuration that is > > > not covered on the Petrus Method step 5 and 6 > > > websites. The top looks > > > like this: > > > > > > OOX > > > OOO > > > XOX > > > > > > and the other O or Orange cubelets are postioned > > > like so: > > > > > > O > > > XXX > > > XXX > > > XXXO > > > O > > > > > > I would like to learn all of the top layer > > > algorithms to increase my > > > time. Can anyone tell me what this algorithm is > or > > > if I am > > > misunderstanding this step of the petrus method? > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -Nealo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

--- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > well, that and the irrefutable fact that dexterity, > alg recognition (or subcase recognition), and the > ability to look ahead and keep track of n pieces > also > plays a role in the creation of your f2l leads me to > believe that superiority is a little more dubious in > terms of its determination. ... Yeah, we can agree on that. > inefficient use of turns in achieving goals is > possible with both methods. short sightedness is as > well. ... yeah. > Its one thing to say that a method is inefficient on > average, but thats using ceteris paribus, (the all > things equal assumption) i.e. you are assuming that > there is an ideal speedcuber that given a full > understanding and extensive practice of both methods > would, on average, finish with petrus faster than > fridrich. yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I mean, if we pick systems based only on numers, we will pick the one with the best number (fewest -weighed- avg. moves), right? > Its a whole different thing to assume this kind of > situation would be reflected among the rest of us > (the > non perfect cubers). > -K- this is where "style" enters the scene - so far we could program computers to perform the above mentioned tasks and then compare results. I'll mail you then program when I do it for a school project :p ... conclusion: I don't feel "proven wrong", but point is certainly taken. > --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I don't see what you mean that the petrus method > has > > higher freedom > > then the f2l. If anything it has less freedom > > because you are > > convided to working off of a cube. In the F2l you > > are working off of > > a cross and that has a lot more different routes > > then building a > > cube. Assuming each method is rigidly followed*, let's see... Petrus: 8 starting corners x 3 next corners x 4 next corners x 1 finish corner = 12*8 = 96 orders. Fridrich: 6 starting faces x 4 next pairs x 3 next pairs x 2 next pairs x 1 finish pair = 12*12 = 144 orders. Guess you're right. Then again, look at each system when a 2x2 block is done (assume around DBL); in Fridrich this is cross + one pair: Petrus has 3 free layers (U R F), Fririch has one free layer (U) plus two semifree layers (R F). I say that leaves more freedom for Petrus. It feels more free to me, anyways. summed up: guess Fridrich has more freedom as to what (144 routes), Petrus has more as to how (3 layers). <snip> > > jake I hear you, Jake *Assuming each method is rigidly followed: this is a blatantly false assumption, but it gives us a base of comparison. Also note that I'm a more "theoretic" cuber, whereas I see this forum is primarily concerned with the practic appliance - not that those two can't go hand in hand. Next up: I'm gonna devise a method based on forming corner-edge pairs and simply putting them next to each other instead of a fixed structure... :D ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

> 2) turning an inner slice by first turning the double layer, then > undoing the outer move counts as 2 moves (D d) D' = d counts as 2 > moves > 3) turning an inner layer by itself using my finger to turn it > counts as 1 move Are you yourself doing it both ways? If yes, in which situations do you do what? Or is this just to have a metric for all of us? Stefan

I learned the Fridrich Method from http://twistypuzzles.com/solutions/3x3x3-01.shtml It offers a very good description on how to solve the F2L. I average about 1 minute 05 seconds by using Sausage's Hybrid solution. -Edgardo --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, meat15k <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have been having trouble with the first two layers of the Fridrich > Method. I can't seem to do it in less than 2 minutes. However with > the Petrus method I can solve the whole cube in about 1 minute 15 > seconds. I don't think this is so much because I am better at the > Petrus method but that I don't understand how to do the step very > well. I have looked over the website a lot but I just can't find > anything there to help me. Can anyone give me some advice? Thanks > > -Nealo.

I was just checking the "What's new" on www.thinkgeek.com (which is a great site, for those of you who have never been there) and the first thing up there is the Rubik's Cube. Not that I expect anyone to buy one from them (you do get 100 geek points), but it just goes to show how the cube is growing in popularity. Here's the direct link: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/69fe/ -Chris Parlette

--- cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, big <snip> > I have an informal challenge for anyone who enjoys > solving their > 4x4x4. I've been thinking a lot lately about how to > Right now there are no readily available programs > that analyze 4x4x4 > positions, and not a lot of people are doing the > 4x4x4 compared to > the 3x3x3. Well, a program is taking shape in my mind; it allows the user to define states to be reached on the way to a solution, calculating god's number, weighed avgs. and algorithms used to travel from state to state (ending in the solved of course). Cube Explorer uses a variant of an algorithm that reduces the moves allowed to <U,D,R,L,F2,B2> then <U,D,R2,L2,F2,B2> then <U2,D2,R2,L2,F2,B2> then <IDENTITY> (Isn't that Thistlewaite? can't remember). Sorta' like the same thing, only with many more parameters to choose from. Like saying "next step: all pieces that belong in upper layer is in the upper layer", that kind of thing. as a base, use the 4x4x4 since it can be reduced to both the 2x2x2 and 3x3x3. I think... It will be a college project of mine, I think. > Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but in trying to > come up with this > new method, I feel a little like the original 3x3x3 > solvers trying > to come up with an efficient method for the 3x3x3 > for the very first > time. like it's been said on cubelovers: you can only solve a puzzle for the first time ONCE. I'd like to do that without getting exposed to spoilers (I'll control this myself). But once I've done that, I'd be happy to join. Well, with the time it's gonna take me, I guess I'll just check back in a few years to hear what everyone else thinks. ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Hi kyle, I have a video (solving the 3*3*3 cube in 34s) : http://perfectgod.free.fr/download.htm you need a divx codec 5.1.1 or higher so see it. A+ Loic -----Message d'origine----- De : Kyle Bryant [mailto:craptastic_crap@...] Envoyé : jeudi 27 mai 2004 07:27 À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Objet : [Speed cubing group] Call for Videos I have a collection of about 34 cuber videos (single solve 3x3x3). I have: Masayuki Akimoto Jessica Fridrich Katsuyuki Konishi Jess Bonde Lars Petrus Shotaro Makisumi Jon Morris Brent Morgan Lars V. (how to spell that?) Ron Van Bruchem Wiktoria Zborowska Doug Li Chris Szlatenyi Dan Henage Mr Kondo Kyle Bryant if you have a video of a single solve 3x3x3 and aren't on this list, please send me a link or something to it. Im collecting videos so that maybe someday we can make something out of them all...or maybe just so I can compete with them as I improve, who knows what will become of this collection, Im trying to make it grow nonetheless. :) K :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1296ask4t/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085722056/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/c ompanion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=760124212> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub scribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kyle, I uploaded a vid of me solving the cube in 15.89 seconds. It is in the files selection. Frank Morris fremont loic <perfectgod@...> wrote: Hi kyle, I have a video (solving the 3*3*3 cube in 34s) : http://perfectgod.free.fr/download.htm you need a divx codec 5.1.1 or higher so see it. A+ Loic -----Message d'origine----- De : Kyle Bryant [mailto:craptastic_crap@...] Envoy� : jeudi 27 mai 2004 07:27 � : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Objet : [Speed cubing group] Call for Videos I have a collection of about 34 cuber videos (single solve 3x3x3). I have: Masayuki Akimoto Jessica Fridrich Katsuyuki Konishi Jess Bonde Lars Petrus Shotaro Makisumi Jon Morris Brent Morgan Lars V. (how to spell that?) Ron Van Bruchem Wiktoria Zborowska Doug Li Chris Szlatenyi Dan Henage Mr Kondo Kyle Bryant if you have a video of a single solve 3x3x3 and aren't on this list, please send me a link or something to it. Im collecting videos so that maybe someday we can make something out of them all...or maybe just so I can compete with them as I improve, who knows what will become of this collection, Im trying to make it grow nonetheless. :) K :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1296ask4t/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085722056/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/c ompanion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=760124212> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub scribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Me solving in 26.36 seconds: http://www.plu.edu/~huntca/videos/Rubik(26).mov -Chris

Rather than post a link to my video, I'll post a link to an existing video list, which has a link to my video, as well as those of many others. There are a handful of people on that list that don't appear on yours. Just go to http://www.rubiks.dk and click on the "Video List" link. - Grant --- Kyle Bryant wrote: > I have a collection of about 34 cuber videos (single > solve 3x3x3). [snip] > if you have a video of a single solve 3x3x3 and aren't > on this list, please send me a link or something to > it. Im collecting videos so that maybe someday we can > make something out of them all...or maybe just so I > can compete with them as I improve, who knows what > will become of this collection, Im trying to make it > grow nonetheless.

Hi Chris, I've reduced my 73 move parity fix to 56 moves. If I don't need to consider correcting centers, like in a centers-last strategy, it drops to 30 moves. Could you reduce the number of moves from your 15 movement parity fix if you didn't need to consider the centers? This might be a whole lot simpler than figuring out which way to go in the 15 second inspection. David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I have an informal challenge for anyone who enjoys solving their > 4x4x4. I've been thinking a lot lately about how to avoid the edge > parity errors on the 4x4x4 while speed solving. > > I have found a new solving method that avoids both parities every > time, however it takes a lot of mental calculation and is, right > now, not ready to be used as a speed solve method. > > I've detailed my method at the bottom of this message for anyone who > is interested. > > My challenge to the 4x4x4 enthusiasts is to find an algorithm > (meaned in the mathematical sense, so a series of possibly several > steps) that is 1) efficient and FAST, 2) always avoids both parity > errors, and 3) solves the cube :) > > I'm currently trying to design a new speed solve method around this > idea, and I have come up with a few new ideas, but none of them are > faster than just correcting the parities when they come up on my > normal speed solve method. > > The amount of time that people have put into the 3x3x3 methods is > amazing, and we need to do the same for the 4x4x4. Solving the > 4x4x4 with a method that does not have an algorithm in place for > avoiding both parities is like solving the 3x3x3 with an inefficient > layer-by-layer method. > > My challenge is for us to create a 4x4x4 revenge method (or even > several!) that are as efficient for the 4x4x4 as Petrus, Fridrich, > Waterman's methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Right now there are no readily available programs that analyze 4x4x4 > positions, and not a lot of people are doing the 4x4x4 compared to > the 3x3x3. > > Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but in trying to come up with this > new method, I feel a little like the original 3x3x3 solvers trying > to come up with an efficient method for the 3x3x3 for the very first > time. > > Anyway I hope some others are up to the challenge as well. If I > come up with any interesting ideas for a speed solve method that can > implement the strategies of some of my method below I'll post it to > this group. I hope others will do the same too, and we can try to > come up with a new speed solve method for the 4x4x4 that will be > just as efficient as the methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Hope to hear from some others who are interested, > Chris > ---------------------------------------------

> > a question too: are you learning the step(5+6) algs? > is it worth it if you use (6+7) too? > Although 2 steps can be combined using a multitude ammount of algorithms, mine is decomposed into the most recents popular way of doing the LL. Orient all/Permutate all, which could be seen as Step 6 + Step (5-7) You do save about 10 moves, the algorithms are not hard to learn since most of them have already been optimized for hand dexterity. I still firmly believe its all about the F2L. The LL has different ways of being done and I think the difference is in subseconds.

What would be interesting is to show different methods/styles. If you ask me, I think its boring to see the exact same solves over and over again. I mean, I watch a video and most of the time it's a Fridrich Method. I dont blame it for being so popular and effective, but I can recognize its build so easily and I'd rather see another method and have to watch it slowly a bit just to find out which method he's using. Mostly when I watch the vids now I just go for the finger dexterity skills that it shows. What would be cool is to see the cube being solved at full speed, and after slowly so we can see the method. Some people are being secretive about their method and it's their right, if they dont want the slow part that's ok, but I believe human knowledge belongs to the world and in such community, not only the best get to know the secrets.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Tregay" <Grant@T...> wrote: > Rather than post a link to my video, I'll post a link to an existing > video list, which has a link to my video, as well as those of many > others. There are a handful of people on that list that don't appear > on yours. Just go to http://www.rubiks.dk and click on the "Video > List" link. > > - Grant Too bad Lars Petrus' video is hosted on Yahoo and it has been down forever, he's the only one using that method on it or something.

I have a video using the Petrus method, in the Files section of this group. Not quite as impressive as Lars, I'm afraid.... It's 20.44 seconds. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Tregay" > <Grant@T...> wrote: > > Rather than post a link to my video, I'll post a link to an > existing > > video list, which has a link to my video, as well as those of many > > others. There are a handful of people on that list that don't > appear > > on yours. Just go to http://www.rubiks.dk and click on the "Video > > List" link. > > > > - Grant > Too bad Lars Petrus' video is hosted on Yahoo and it has been down > forever, he's the only one using that method on it or something.

I solved the 5x5x5 for the first time today. It took me 20 minutes, and boy was it a long 20 minutes. yehaw. -Chris

Just from personal experience I would recommend against his intermediate method. Instead, go with the advanced, a three look last layer. While learning, you can do it as a four look, and you already know 7 of the PLL algorithms. So I would do this Orient edges Orient corners Permute edges Permute corners The last two steps can be switched. And this way, you are on your way to learning PLL. An on an aside about learning the PLL, he says to use Jessica Fridrich's page for it. Personally I don't think that it's a good page to learn from. I would find a page with inverses, symmetries and finger tricks. There are plenty of pages out there with that, so go ahead and take your pick. Hope that helps Evan -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Koelker [mailto:jonaskoelker@...] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:46 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Any one used Dan Knights Intermediate Method? Hi. I just wanna give my two bits on the F2L. I use Petrus, and I like to challenge the accepted norm to realize why it's better or worse than what I suggest. So here's my thought of the day: The only difference between Fridrich F2L and Petrus F2L is that you (with Petrus) assemble the cross on the fly (well, you orient edges too, but you can skip it if you want); this means that the Petrus method has a higher degree of freedom vs. Fridrich; higher degree of freedom, when used right, leads to fewer moves on average, which leads to lower times. Therefore, Petrus F2L is superior to Fridrich F2L. I also have a gut feel that it's superior to working corner, but I won't claim it... yet :p so, the challenge for everyone who accepts it is: prove me wrong. Or argue that I'm wrong in a very convincing way. On a sidenote: the order of Knights 4-look LL (thirteen algs) is the same as Petrus LL (three algs); Jonas [inspired by the following] --- Doug Reed <dougreed@...> wrote: > Hi > > I use Dan Knights' Intermediate Method. > > Dan Knights has three methods posted on his site, > but they only differ > by the LL. In fact, all he has posted are his LL > systems. They are all > fast though, and the Intermediate method + a > (intuitively-learned) > Fridrich F2L is good enough for me to average a > little over 28 seconds. > > However, My Fridrich F2L is not as fast as many > other people's, and if > you do a working corner method + Knights' 4-look LL > you should be pretty > fast. I know of one person at least that does a > working corner method > instead of a Fridrich F2L and continually kicks my > ass =) > > Add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you need further > help. All of my > contact info is in the database at > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > Hope it helps. > Doug Reed > > Doug > > donutflask wrote: > > >Please post your comments? > > > >right now i solve the cube on average around 1:25, > my cube is non > >lubed, and pretty stiff. I currently use Mark > Jaeys.net method #1, > >with a working corner and am trying to learn these > new algorithms. > > > >How much faster is this method compared to > Jaeys.net??!?!? > > > >and can anyone give some helpful tips on memorizing > and recognizing > >these maneouvers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129br9094/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085748356/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=800674532> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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production of this DVD alone will be insane, I doubt the job will be finished until July. Im just gathering Ideas at this point. -K- --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks before > putting together a DVD or > anything? School will then be out for me and I can > get a video of me, and > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds now) > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

It would be nice if all the movies are actually high quality... otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I doubt > the job will be finished until July. > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > -K- > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks before > > putting together a DVD or > > anything?  School will then be out for me and I can > > get a video of me, and > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds now) > > > >  > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > >  > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > companion > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > >  > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > >  > > > >   _____  > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > *         To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send an > > email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > > be> > >   > > > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > > Toolbar. > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~- > > > > > > > >  > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > >     > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >  > > > > > >       >             > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

True, but maybe we can get videos of people solving at the championship? Either championship solves or we could have a booth w/ a camera set up where you can walk up and write down your info, inroduce yourself to the camera, and then record yourself solving the cube, etc. I don't know, just some ideas. If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game Show Network, etc, we can probably get footage from them (high quality!!!) to go on the DVD. Doug Reed Tyson Mao wrote: >It would be nice if all the movies are actually high quality... >otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > >Tyson Mao >MSC #631 >California Institute of Technology > >On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > >>production of this DVD alone will be insane, I doubt >> the job will be finished until July. >> Im just gathering Ideas at this point. >> >> -K- >> --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: >> > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks before >> > putting together a DVD or >> > anything? School will then be out for me and I can >> > get a video of me, and >> > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds now) >> > >> > >> > >> > Evan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> > >> > >> > >> > ADVERTISEMENT >> > >> > >> >><http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ >>D=groups >> > >> >>/S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ >>companion >> > .yahoo.com> click here >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >><http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ >>D=groups/S= >> > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > * To visit your group on the web, go to: >> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >> > >> > >> > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an >> > email to: >> > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> >><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? >>subject=Unsubscri >> > be> >> > >> > >> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> > the Yahoo! Terms of >> > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> > --------------------~--> >> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion >> > Toolbar. >> > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! >> > >>http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------~- >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >> > >> > >> > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >>ADVERTISEMENT >><lrec_companion_043004.gif> >><l.gif> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> � To visit your group on the web, go to: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >> >> � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>Service. >> >> >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

It would be, I know Fridrich's are, and petrus' are rather good...I need to make a decent quality one of myself, reed might need to do one as well. Im working off of my current collection (45 videos now), and If ANYONE wants to help in the process, feel free to contact me about it. --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > It would be nice if all the movies are actually high > quality... > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I > doubt > > the job will be finished until July. > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > -K- > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks > before > > > putting together a DVD or > > > anything?��� School will then be out for me and I > can > > > get a video of me, and > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds > now) > > > > > >��� > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > >��� > > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > D=groups > > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > companion > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > >��� > > > > > >������ _____��� > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > *������������������������ To visit your group on the web, go > to: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >������ > > > > > > *������������������������ To unsubscribe from this group, send > an > > > email to: > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > be> > > >������ > > > > > > *������������������������ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject > to > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>��� Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! > Companion > > > Toolbar. > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~- > > > > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > >������������ > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > ��������������� > > ��������������� ��������������� > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends.��� Fun.��� Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ��� To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > ��� > > ��� To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ��� > > ��� Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

In that case... why not make a DVD of the tournament as well? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > True, but maybe we can get videos of people solving at the > championship? Either championship solves or we could have a booth w/ a > camera set up where you can walk up and write down your info, inroduce > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself solving the cube, etc. > I don't know, just some ideas. > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game Show Network, etc, we > can probably get footage from them (high quality!!!) to go on the DVD. > > Doug Reed

My dad has a high quality camera. I think it's the Cannon X1 or something like that. I bet he would be willing to let us use it to film the competition. Evan -----Original Message----- From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:59 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Call for Videos In that case... why not make a DVD of the tournament as well? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > True, but maybe we can get videos of people solving at the > championship? Either championship solves or we could have a booth w/ a > camera set up where you can walk up and write down your info, inroduce > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself solving the cube, etc. > I don't know, just some ideas. > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game Show Network, etc, we > can probably get footage from them (high quality!!!) to go on the DVD. > > Doug Reed Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1298512n2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085792364/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=394058225> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If your father would be willing to deal with all of the filming of everything, I would be more than willing to help compile it into a DVD. I think Lars probably have more experience in iMovie than I do but I'm sure it's not so hard to figure it out. We've got DVD burners at Caltech so that's not an issue... Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > My dad has a high quality camera.  I think it's the Cannon X1 or > something > like that.  I bet he would be willing to let us use it to film the > competition. > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:59 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Call for Videos > > > > In that case... why not make a DVD of the tournament as well? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > > True, but maybe we can get videos of people solving at the > > championship?  Either championship solves or we could have a booth > w/ a > > camera set up where you can walk up and write down your info, > inroduce > > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself solving the cube, > etc. > > I don't know, just some ideas. > > > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game Show Network, etc, > we > > can probably get footage from them (high quality!!!) to go on the > DVD. > > > > Doug Reed > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1298512n2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085792364/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=394058225> > > > >   _____  > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > *         To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > be> >   > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Hey Kyle, I'll submit like 4 videos sometime this week : 1 2x2, 1 3x3, 1 Pyraminx, 1 3x3x5, I can also do a BLD Pyraminx and 2x2 if you want me to. Lates man~ ~Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > It would be, I know Fridrich's are, and petrus' are > rather good...I need to make a decent quality one of > myself, reed might need to do one as well. > > Im working off of my current collection (45 videos > now), and If ANYONE wants to help in the process, feel > free to contact me about it. > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > It would be nice if all the movies are actually high > > quality... > > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I > > doubt > > > the job will be finished until July. > > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > > > -K- > > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks > > before > > > > putting together a DVD or > > > > anything?  School will then be out for me and I > > can > > > > get a video of me, and > > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds > > now) > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > D=groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > > > companion > > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > D=groups/S= > > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >   _____  > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > *         To visit your group on the web, go > > to: > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > >   > > > > > > > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send > > an > > > > email to: > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > > be> > > > >   > > > > > > > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject > > to > > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! > > Companion > > > > Toolbar. > > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > >     > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > >             > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >   > > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > > to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >   > > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > Yahoo! Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > > Toolbar. > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I have a dvd r/rw and video editing software...If I can be of any help....tell me. -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > If your father would be willing to deal with all of > the filming of > everything, I would be more than willing to help > compile it into a DVD. > I think Lars probably have more experience in > iMovie than I do but I'm > sure it's not so hard to figure it out. We've got > DVD burners at > Caltech so that's not an issue... > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 6:04 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > > > My dad has a high quality camera.��� I think it's > the Cannon X1 or > > something > > like that.��� I bet he would be willing to let us > use it to film the > > competition. > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] > > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:59 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Call for > Videos > > > > > > > > In that case... why not make a DVD of the > tournament as well? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > > > > True, but maybe we can get videos of people > solving at the > > > championship?��� Either championship solves or we > could have a booth > > w/ a > > > camera set up where you can walk up and write > down your info, > > inroduce > > > yourself to the camera, and then record > yourself solving the cube, > > etc. > > > I don't know, just some ideas. > > > > > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game > Show Network, etc, > > we > > > can probably get footage from them (high > quality!!!) to go on the > > DVD. > > > > > > Doug Reed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1298512n2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > D=groups > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085792364/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > companion > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=394058225> > > > > > > > > ��� _____��� > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > *������������������������ To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > ��� > > > > *������������������������ To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > subject=Unsubscri > > be> > > ��� > > > > *������������������������ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>��� Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ��� To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > ��� > > ��� To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ��� > > ��� Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

awesome =K= --- azinj05ieipih <azinj05ieipih@...> wrote: > Hey Kyle, > > I'll submit like 4 videos sometime this week : 1 > 2x2, 1 3x3, 1 > Pyraminx, 1 3x3x5, I can also do a BLD Pyraminx and > 2x2 if you want > me to. Lates man~ > > ~Joseph > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > It would be, I know Fridrich's are, and petrus' > are > > rather good...I need to make a decent quality one > of > > myself, reed might need to do one as well. > > > > Im working off of my current collection (45 videos > > now), and If ANYONE wants to help in the process, > feel > > free to contact me about it. > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > > > It would be nice if all the movies are actually > high > > > quality... > > > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a > DVD? > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > > > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I > > > doubt > > > > the job will be finished until July. > > > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks > > > before > > > > > putting together a DVD or > > > > > anything?��� School will then be out for me > and I > > > can > > > > > get a video of me, and > > > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 > seconds > > > now) > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > > > D=groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > > > > > companion > > > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > > > D=groups/S= > > > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > >������ _____��� > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > *������������������������ To visit your group on the web, > go > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > >������ > > > > > > > > > > *������������������������ To unsubscribe from this group, > send > > > an > > > > > email to: > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > > > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > > > be> > > > > >������ > > > > > > > > > > *������������������������ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is > subject > > > to > > > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>��� > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! > > > Companion > > > > > Toolbar. > > > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > >������������ > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��������������� > > > > ��������������� ��������������� > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Friends.��� Fun.��� Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I would like to propose the 4x4x4 metric that I listed as one metric that can be used for the 4x4x4. I use it because, like Gilles said, it counts the effective number of moves that you do when actually solving. I included the "turning an inner slice along with your finger" as one move because effectively it is, however I don't use them. For the normal 4x4x4 I don't ever turn an inner slice by itself, it is actually faster for me to do the 2 move double layer then undo the outer layer. So if the situation required me to turn d only I would do (D d) D' = d For the 4x4x4 supercube, my two edge swapped parity fix alg has 4 single inner face turns like that, however that is the only instance when I use them. I still like counting them as one move as it makes the metric complete, even though personally I don't turn single inner slices along in my solving for the normal 4x4x4 cube. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > 2) turning an inner slice by first turning the double layer, then > > undoing the outer move counts as 2 moves (D d) D' = d counts as 2 > > moves > > 3) turning an inner layer by itself using my finger to turn it > > counts as 1 move > > Are you yourself doing it both ways? If yes, in which situations do > you do what? Or is this just to have a metric for all of us? > > Stefan

Well, I have all of Petrus' Videos. The 14s solve, the 18 second solve and the 27 and 31 second solves from the last caltech tourney. Im me @ the contact info I have provided for copies of these videos. --- pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Grant Tregay" > <Grant@T...> wrote: > > Rather than post a link to my video, I'll post a > link to an > existing > > video list, which has a link to my video, as well > as those of many > > others. There are a handful of people on that > list that don't > appear > > on yours. Just go to http://www.rubiks.dk and > click on the "Video > > List" link. > > > > - Grant > Too bad Lars Petrus' video is hosted on Yahoo and it > has been down > forever, he's the only one using that method on it > or something. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

thats not a bad idea, 2 dvds...it wouldn't be that hard to do two similarly themed DVDs side by side. --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > In that case... why not make a DVD of the tournament > as well? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > > True, but maybe we can get videos of people > solving at the > > championship? Either championship solves or we > could have a booth w/ a > > camera set up where you can walk up and write down > your info, inroduce > > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself > solving the cube, etc. > > I don't know, just some ideas. > > > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game > Show Network, etc, we > > can probably get footage from them (high > quality!!!) to go on the DVD. > > > > Doug Reed > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hey! My gut feeling is that it's futile to try come up with an algorithm that eliminates the parity problems early on. Cause it will indeed require lots of mental calculation. And those calculations can probably only be done fast only by a few people. Most ppl will adopt a method well described in a "table-lookup" manner. There are 2 "parity errors" errors in the last "solve as 3x3x3" step when u follow the edge-pairing way of solving 4x4x4 cube. These are sometimes jokingly called parodies! :-P In fact it's only the famous "edge-flip" which can be called a parity error. the 2-edge swap can neatly be done by 2 simple 3-cycles, cycles on singular edges when seen as a proper 4x4x4. So it is clearly seen that this is not a parity error at all. What is needed is to reduce those 2 "parities" to only one, when both of them occur. So if anyone comes uf with a nice solution to this which is not facecenter destructive it would be very productive. Such an alg might possibly be found by a "4x4x4 cube explorer" ;-) Happy 4x4x4-cubing :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I have an informal challenge for anyone who enjoys solving their > 4x4x4. I've been thinking a lot lately about how to avoid the edge > parity errors on the 4x4x4 while speed solving. > > I have found a new solving method that avoids both parities every > time, however it takes a lot of mental calculation and is, right > now, not ready to be used as a speed solve method. > > I've detailed my method at the bottom of this message for anyone who > is interested. > > My challenge to the 4x4x4 enthusiasts is to find an algorithm > (meaned in the mathematical sense, so a series of possibly several > steps) that is 1) efficient and FAST, 2) always avoids both parity > errors, and 3) solves the cube :) > > I'm currently trying to design a new speed solve method around this > idea, and I have come up with a few new ideas, but none of them are > faster than just correcting the parities when they come up on my > normal speed solve method. > > The amount of time that people have put into the 3x3x3 methods is > amazing, and we need to do the same for the 4x4x4. Solving the > 4x4x4 with a method that does not have an algorithm in place for > avoiding both parities is like solving the 3x3x3 with an inefficient > layer-by-layer method. > > My challenge is for us to create a 4x4x4 revenge method (or even > several!) that are as efficient for the 4x4x4 as Petrus, Fridrich, > Waterman's methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Right now there are no readily available programs that analyze 4x4x4 > positions, and not a lot of people are doing the 4x4x4 compared to > the 3x3x3. > > Maybe I'm missing the mark here, but in trying to come up with this > new method, I feel a little like the original 3x3x3 solvers trying > to come up with an efficient method for the 3x3x3 for the very first > time. > > Anyway I hope some others are up to the challenge as well. If I > come up with any interesting ideas for a speed solve method that can > implement the strategies of some of my method below I'll post it to > this group. I hope others will do the same too, and we can try to > come up with a new speed solve method for the 4x4x4 that will be > just as efficient as the methods are for the 3x3x3. > > Hope to hear from some others who are interested, > Chris > --------------------------------------------- > > My always avoid both parity errors 4x4x4 method: > > I am biased towards a centers first approach so the method follows > centers first. However, I have outlined with asterisks what exactly > needs to be done on the cube to avoid the parities, so that people > who use other methods can adapt this strategy to their methods as > well. > > > 1) Solve 2 opposite centers > > 2) Count the cycles in the edge orbit, exactly like I was going to > memorize them for a blindfolded solve, however don't memorize the > piece positions just the number of edge pieces in each cycle. Say > you have one cycle of length 16, two of length 3, and 2 pieces are > in their correct locations. > > You have two odd cyles (the ones of length 3) which can be solved > individually using commutators. **All odd cycles can individually > reduce to solved**. You also have 1 even cycle (the one of length > 16). **Even cycles individually cannot be reduced down to > solved**. Since you don't have an even number of even cycles (2 > even cycles can be reduced to solved) then the parity of the edge > orbit is odd. > > ******************* > Odd parity in the edge orbit = Orientation parity error (one edge > group will be flipped in the LL) > ******************* > > 3) Now I solve the remaining 4 centers, but I count the number of > moves it takes me to do it. You HAVE to solve the remaining centers > in an odd number of inner slice moves to correct the orientation > parity error. It takes some thinking to do this, but it can always > be done. By solving the centers in an odd number of inner slice > moves you will change the edge orbit's parity back to even, and thus > you've eliminated the orientation parity error. > > If the edge orbit was originally even after solving the first two > centers, then you have to solve the last 4 in an EVEN number of > inner slice moves. Either way, you have to solve all 6 centers and > end up with the edge oribt having even parity. > > 4) Solve all the edge groups but 2. > > 5) Now count the cycles of the edge groups, just like you would on a > 3x3x3 cube. When you get to your unsolved edge groups, pretend that > one of the two pieces is the color of the entire edge group and keep > counting. If the cycle uses both edge groups, remember to switch > colors on the second one. Using the same principle of even and odd > cycles, decide if the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit is even or > odd. > > 6) Count the cycles in the corners (only the positions matter), > decided if it is even or odd > > 7) If the parity of the edge orbit matches the corner orbit, then > the decision you made back when you choose the color of the unsolved > edge group was correct. Solve the last two edge groups the way you > found by counting cycles. If the parity of the corners does not > match the parity of the edges, then you decided incorrectly back > when counting the 4x4x4 as a 3x3x3 edge group cycles. Just solve > them the other way. > > ******************** > Matching the parity of the 4x4x4 viewed as a 3x3x3 edge orbit and > the parity of the corner orbit = avoid the edge positioning parity > error > ******************** > > 8) Solve your cube as a 3x3x3. You are guaranteed to never run into > the parity error, so go absolutely full speed :)

A friend of mine has a high quality camera. I can probably get a shot of me solving sometime within the next week or so. If you want, I'll film myself one handed, with feet, blindfolded, unicycling, whatever.... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > It would be nice if all the movies are actually high quality... > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I doubt > > the job will be finished until July. > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > -K- > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks before > > > putting together a DVD or > > > anything?  School will then be out for me and I can > > > get a video of me, and > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds now) > > > > > >  > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > >  > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > D=groups > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > companion > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > >  > > > > > >   _____  > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > *         To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >   > > > > > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send an > > > email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > subject=Unsubscri > > > be> > > >   > > > > > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > > > Toolbar. > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---~- > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > >     > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >       > >             > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > >

You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 U') (R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the last layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" done twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, you can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) X=2*Y and 2*X=Y If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get X=2*(2*X) X=4*X -3*X=0 X=0 So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y 2*0=Y Y=0 So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are zero, nothing! Austin

By the same logic: X=2*(2*X) X=4*X X/X=4 1=4 I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what you were trying to say. Doug stradivariuscuber wrote: >You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 U') >(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the last >layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" done >twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, >and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = >variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, you >can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > > >X=2*Y >and >2*X=Y > >If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > >X=2*(2*X) >X=4*X >-3*X=0 >X=0 > >So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 >Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > >2*0=Y >Y=0 > >So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > >According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are >zero, nothing! > >Austin > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

At least we know that x=y, because if you add the 2 equations together, X=2*Y + 2*X=Y ---------- = 3*X=3*Y (3/3)*X=(3/3)*Y X=Y --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > By the same logic: > > X=2*(2*X) > X=4*X > X/X=4 > 1=4 > > I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what you were trying to say. > > Doug > > > > > stradivariuscuber wrote: > > >You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 U') > >(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the last > >layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" done > >twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, > >and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = > >variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, you > >can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > > > > > >X=2*Y > >and > >2*X=Y > > > >If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > > > >X=2*(2*X) > >X=4*X > >-3*X=0 > >X=0 > > > >So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > >Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > > > >2*0=Y > >Y=0 > > > >So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > > > >According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are > >zero, nothing! > > > >Austin > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hey, doug I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. ____________ Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're never supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet (and x could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of thumb is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. Rock on! Josea ----------------- However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure what the correct answer is. Austin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed <dougreed@h...> wrote: > By the same logic: > > X=2*(2*X) > X=4*X > X/X=4 > 1=4 > > I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what you were trying to say. > > Doug > > > > > stradivariuscuber wrote: > > >You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 U') > >(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the last > >layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" done > >twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, > >and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = > >variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, you > >can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > > > > > >X=2*Y > >and > >2*X=Y > > > >If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > > > >X=2*(2*X) > >X=4*X > >-3*X=0 > >X=0 > > > >So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > >Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > > > >2*0=Y > >Y=0 > > > >So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > > > >According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are > >zero, nothing! > > > >Austin > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

stradivariuscuber wrote: >Hey, doug > >I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. >____________ >Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're >never >supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet (and x >could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of >thumb >is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. > > ...yep >Rock on! >Josea > >----------------- > >However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I >should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure what >the correct answer is. > > Yea. Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: X=2Y Y=X/2 then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a bit. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two-variable equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for the other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you will get pretty strange stuff. For instance: X=(2/3)Y+3 Y=(3(X-3))/2 subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation gives us this: X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 and... X-3+3=X so basically all that proves is that X=X. For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, from what I know you need two totally different equations. As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've said for all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to type the = with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to write "is not equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among computer geeks such as myself. In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, which open up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can solve an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation for what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) in the denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate the "rule of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. Doug Reed >Austin > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed ><dougreed@h...> wrote: > > >>By the same logic: >> >>X=2*(2*X) >>X=4*X >>X/X=4 >>1=4 >> >>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. >> >> >X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably >either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what >you were trying to say. > > >>Doug >> >> >> >> >>stradivariuscuber wrote: >> >> >> >>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 >>> >>> >U') > > >>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the >>> >>> >last > > >>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" >>> >>> >done > > >>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, >>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U >>> >>> >R')" = > > >>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, >>> >>> >you > > >>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) >>> >>> >>>X=2*Y >>>and >>>2*X=Y >>> >>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get >>> >>>X=2*(2*X) >>>X=4*X >>>-3*X=0 >>>X=0 >>> >>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 >>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y >>> >>>2*0=Y >>>Y=0 >>> >>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! >>> >>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are >>>zero, nothing! >>> >>>Austin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

single solve 3x3 is the priority, but the others are nice too. -K- --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > A friend of mine has a high quality camera. I can > probably get a > shot of me solving sometime within the next week or > so. If you want, > I'll film myself one handed, with feet, blindfolded, > unicycling, > whatever.... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > It would be nice if all the movies are actually > high quality... > > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I > doubt > > > the job will be finished until July. > > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > > > -K- > > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks > before > > > > putting together a DVD or > > > > anything?��� School will then be out for me and > I can > > > > get a video of me, and > > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds > now) > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > D=groups > > > > > > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > > companion > > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? > M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > D=groups/S= > > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > >������ _____��� > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > *������������������������ To visit your group on the web, go > to: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > >������ > > > > > > > > *������������������������ To unsubscribe from this group, > send an > > > > email to: > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > > be> > > > >������ > > > > > > > > *������������������������ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is > subject to > > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>��� Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! > Companion > > > > Toolbar. > > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---~- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >��� > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > >������������ > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >��� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��������������� > > > ��������������� ��������������� > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends.��� Fun.��� Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ��� To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > ��� > > > ��� To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ��� > > > ��� Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hey Kyle and others. If the DVD is just a compilation of 3x3 speedcubing videos collected from the net, I don't see the point. I could just go to the video list at rubiks.dk and download the same stuff for free and even burn it to a DVD if I want. If the DVD includes other types of solving (one handed etc), different puzzles, and tournament footagen and is edited well, I might consider buying it. There is certainly room for a lot on a DVD. You could even include footage from the original World Championship. What level of editing will be done? Everyone does there videos differently (w/ the music and credits etc). I'd recommend getting as much *uncompressed* raw video from everyone and unifying it more. For example you could have a timer in the corner, put many solves to one song, and do up the credits in the same style/font. I'd offer to help but don't have much experience in video editing. Anyway, I hope it turns out good! --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > In that case... why not make a DVD of the tournament as well? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > > True, but maybe we can get videos of people solving at the > > championship? Either championship solves or we could have a booth w/ a > > camera set up where you can walk up and write down your info, inroduce > > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself solving the cube, etc. > > I don't know, just some ideas. > > > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game Show Network, etc, we > > can probably get footage from them (high quality!!!) to go on the DVD. > > > > Doug Reed

Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves on a Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird stuff. Talk about apples and oranges! Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and concluded that X = 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a 3-cycle. Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't done any advanced maths, or read up on group theory! Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > stradivariuscuber wrote: > > >Hey, doug > > > >I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. > >____________ > >Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're > >never > >supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet (and x > >could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of > >thumb > >is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. > > > > > ....yep > > >Rock on! > >Josea > > > >----------------- > > > >However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I > >should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure what > >the correct answer is. > > > > > Yea. > > Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: > > X=2Y > Y=X/2 > > then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a bit. > I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two-variable > equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for the > other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you will > get pretty strange stuff. For instance: > > X=(2/3)Y+3 > Y=(3(X-3))/2 > > subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation gives us > this: > > X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 > > so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 > and... X-3+3=X > > so basically all that proves is that X=X. > > For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, from > what I know you need two totally different equations. > > As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've said for > all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to type the = > with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to write "is not > equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among computer > geeks such as myself. > > In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, which open > up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can solve > an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation for > what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is > necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) in the > denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate the "rule > of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. > > Doug Reed > > >Austin > > > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed > ><dougreed@h...> wrote: > > > > > >>By the same logic: > >> > >>X=2*(2*X) > >>X=4*X > >>X/X=4 > >>1=4 > >> > >>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. > >> > >> > >X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably > >either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what > >you were trying to say. > > > > > >>Doug > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>stradivariuscuber wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 > >>> > >>> > >U') > > > > > >>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the > >>> > >>> > >last > > > > > >>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" > >>> > >>> > >done > > > > > >>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, > >>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U > >>> > >>> > >R')" = > > > > > >>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, > >>> > >>> > >you > > > > > >>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > >>> > >>> > >>>X=2*Y > >>>and > >>>2*X=Y > >>> > >>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > >>> > >>>X=2*(2*X) > >>>X=4*X > >>>-3*X=0 > >>>X=0 > >>> > >>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > >>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > >>> > >>>2*0=Y > >>>Y=0 > >>> > >>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > >>> > >>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are > >>>zero, nothing! > >>> > >>>Austin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

First Of All, to avoid copyright issues, this will be a free DVD, all of my work on it will not be for profit, if there is a fee, It will be for copying and distribution. The DVD is not simply 3x3 single solves, however, since in competition single solve 3x3 is the backbone, it is a priority that video submissions include at least one single solve 3x3. The call for videos and subsequent idea of mine to have a dvd exemplifying the solving methods, techniques, and skill of the cubing community is not just a simple compilation, other ideas submitted to me have given me the extra concepts of using editing to slow down videos. adding explanations and continue searching for different types of puzzle solves (so far I have Pyra, Mega, 3x3x5, 2x2x2, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5). And ideas are still being accepted, I am nowhere near preproduction. This is still all conceptual. If anyone has ideas on how we can use this to make money for future competitions (i.e. reconciling copyright issues), please tell me. -K- --- "Chris Sz..." <s2chris2@...> wrote: > Hey Kyle and others. If the DVD is just a > compilation of 3x3 > speedcubing videos collected from the net, I don't > see the point. I > could just go to the video list at rubiks.dk and > download the same > stuff for free and even burn it to a DVD if I want. > If the DVD > includes other types of solving (one handed etc), > different puzzles, > and tournament footagen and is edited well, I might > consider buying > it. There is certainly room for a lot on a DVD. You > could even > include footage from the original World > Championship. > What level of editing will be done? Everyone does > there videos > differently (w/ the music and credits etc). I'd > recommend getting as > much *uncompressed* raw video from everyone and > unifying it more. > For example you could have a timer in the corner, > put many solves to > one song, and do up the credits in the same > style/font. I'd offer to > help but don't have much experience in video > editing. Anyway, I hope > it turns out good! > > --barefoot Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > In that case... why not make a DVD of the > tournament as well? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:51 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > > > > True, but maybe we can get videos of people > solving at the > > > championship? Either championship solves or we > could have a > booth w/ a > > > camera set up where you can walk up and write > down your info, > inroduce > > > yourself to the camera, and then record yourself > solving the > cube, etc. > > > I don't know, just some ideas. > > > > > > If there are TV crews there from ESPN, The Game > Show Network, > etc, we > > > can probably get footage from them (high > quality!!!) to go on > the DVD. > > > > > > Doug Reed > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

If you guys are interested in using numbers to simulate how the 3 cycle on the edges works, then you can, but you can't just add them as variables X and Y in the real numbers (what happen when x = e or y = e^(19!/17)? The permutation of performing a 3 cycle on 3 edges will be equivalent to the identity permutation if you do it 3 times. So if you have some 3 cycle permutation, call it X, then doing X^3 gives you the identity, it's as if you never did anything in the first place. This is the exact same thing as adding the integers 0,1, and 2 taken (mod 3). Let 0 correspond to the solved state, 1 to the state after doing one 3 cycle, 2 to the state after doing two of the same 3 cycle. Now define the variable A to be an element of the natural numbers. You know the state the cube would be in after doing your 3 cycle A times would be the same as A mod 3 where A is the number of times you do the 3 cycle. If you add in the inverse 3 cycle, you called it Y, then you can find an expression for the state of the cube after doing any number of both permutations. X and Y are commutative beacuse X is the inverse of Y and vice versa (i.e. X composed with Y = Y composed with X) so say you do XYXXYYXXYYXYXYXYXYXYXXXY Count the number of times you see X and the number of times you see Y. Say you see X a times and Y b times. Then the state of the cube is (a-b) mod 3 So above there are 13 X's and 11 Y's so after doing your permutation X and Y like that string above, the cube would be in position (13- 11) mod 3 = 2 So the cube would look exactly like I had only done the Y permutation on a solved cube (or also 2 of the X permutations done in a row on a solved cube). In general (a-b) mod 3 will come out to be either 0, 1, or 2, and you can just use the coorespondence of numbers to cube states mentioned above to see what the state the cube will be in. You can't use our normal Real numbers system because you're dealing with permutations instead of numbers. The algebra should work out though if you work with the integers 0, 1, and 2 taken (mod 3). The X permutation (your first three cycle) would correspond to the number 1 and your Y permutation would coorespond to the number 2. Try it that way, and remember to take everything (mod 3) and it should work without getting stuff like 1=4 and things like that :) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@d...> wrote: > Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves on a > Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird stuff. Talk > about apples and oranges! > > Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and concluded that X > = 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. > > You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a > 3-cycle. > > Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't done any > advanced maths, or read up on group theory! > > Duncan

Here is the vid of me . . . http://www.henage.net/dan/cube/caltechwinter.htm I'm the third vid down. I solved my own corners method . . . at the end I do the "Rubik's Move" in 2s. I have faster vids but this is the fastest vid of me online. -Kenneth

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@d...> wrote: > Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves on a > Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird stuff. Talk > about apples and oranges! > > Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and concluded that X > = 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. > > You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a > 3-cycle. Even so, this is quite misleading. It's far better to write X*X*X=1 or X^3=1. 3*X=0 would be the sort of notation used in an Abelian group and even if we restrict ourselves to <X>, we'd still probably at some level be thinking of it as a subgroup of the usual cube group which is very much non-Abelian (and so would use multiplicative rather than additive notation and use 1 (or perhaps e) as a symbol for the identity rather that 0). It's really only OK to write 3*X=0 if you're talking about an Abelian subgroup containing <X> but even then, you'd write 3X=0, as a shorthand for X+X+X=0 and wouldn't use the * sign (unless of course you were perhaps thinking of looking at it from the point of a Z-module - and then you'd not be looking to divide by 3 because 1/3 isn't in Z). All the talk in the thread about dividing by X or by 3 is really quite meaningless in the context of the cube group. Well, dividing by X isn't but we'd have to write X*X=X^(-1) (or if we really did want to work in <X> and use additive notation we'd have to subtract rather than divide and get 2X=-X. In that case, there'd be no multiplicative operation anyway, since we're not dealing with a ring structure, so it wouldn't make sense to divide by 3 or by X or even to discuss division at all.) > > Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't done any > advanced maths, or read up on group theory! > > Duncan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@h...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > > > > stradivariuscuber wrote: > > > > >Hey, doug > > > > > >I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. > > >____________ > > >Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're > > >never > > >supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet (and x > > >could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of > > >thumb > > >is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. > > > > > > > > ....yep > > > > >Rock on! > > >Josea > > > > > >----------------- > > > > > >However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I > > >should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure what > > >the correct answer is. > > > > > > > > Yea. > > > > Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: > > > > X=2Y > > Y=X/2 > > > > then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a bit. > > I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two- variable > > equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for the > > other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you will > > get pretty strange stuff. For instance: > > > > X=(2/3)Y+3 > > Y=(3(X-3))/2 > > > > subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation gives us > > this: > > > > X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 > > > > so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 > > and... X-3+3=X > > > > so basically all that proves is that X=X. > > > > For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, from > > what I know you need two totally different equations. > > > > As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've said for > > all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to type the = > > with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to write "is not > > equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among computer > > geeks such as myself. > > > > In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, which open > > up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can solve > > an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation for > > what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is > > necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) in the > > denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate the "rule > > of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. > > > > Doug Reed > > > > >Austin > > > > > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed > > ><dougreed@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>By the same logic: > > >> > > >>X=2*(2*X) > > >>X=4*X > > >>X/X=4 > > >>1=4 > > >> > > >>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. > > >> > > >> > > >X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably > > >either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood what > > >you were trying to say. > > > > > > > > >>Doug > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>stradivariuscuber wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and (R2 > > >>> > > >>> > > >U') > > > > > > > > >>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the > > >>> > > >>> > > >last > > > > > > > > >>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" > > >>> > > >>> > > >done > > > > > > > > >>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done once, > > >>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U > > >>> > > >>> > > >R')" = > > > > > > > > >>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, > > >>> > > >>> > > >you > > > > > > > > >>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>X=2*Y > > >>>and > > >>>2*X=Y > > >>> > > >>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > > >>> > > >>>X=2*(2*X) > > >>>X=4*X > > >>>-3*X=0 > > >>>X=0 > > >>> > > >>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > > >>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > > >>> > > >>>2*0=Y > > >>>Y=0 > > >>> > > >>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > > >>> > > >>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they are > > >>>zero, nothing! > > >>> > > >>>Austin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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I have quite a bit of video editing experience and have access to Vegas Video, Adobe Premier, and Cinema Craft Encoder (High-quality MPEG2 encoder). Let me know if you need any assistance with video editing/DVD compilation. -Chris

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Hi Kyle You have tons of videos, that much is obvious. But are you only listing the high quality videos you have, or are you listing the low quality ones also? Doug Reed

Alright, I'll just film myself normal solving and one handed. Make sure you get one of Chris one handed, too, he's still quite a bit faster than me. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > single solve 3x3 is the priority, but the others are > nice too. > -K- > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > A friend of mine has a high quality camera. I can > > probably get a > > shot of me solving sometime within the next week or > > so. If you want, > > I'll film myself one handed, with feet, blindfolded, > > unicycling, > > whatever.... > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > > Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > > > It would be nice if all the movies are actually > > high quality... > > > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a DVD? > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > > > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, I > > doubt > > > > the job will be finished until July. > > > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > > Any chance u can wait about two more weeks > > before > > > > > putting together a DVD or > > > > > anything?  School will then be out for me and > > I can > > > > > get a video of me, and > > > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 seconds > > now) > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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I have a 30 seconds (or so) solve (Petrus method), video is a bit dark but I think you can see a bit, this was done on a webcam so maybe i'll try with my digital camera.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have a 30 seconds (or so) solve (Petrus method), video is a bit > dark but I think you can see a bit, this was done on a webcam so > maybe i'll try with my digital camera. I forgot to say that I had no space to host it.

send It directly to me. -K- --- pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > pathfinder_netstorm > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have a 30 seconds (or so) solve (Petrus method), > video is a bit > > dark but I think you can see a bit, this was done > on a webcam so > > maybe i'll try with my digital camera. > > I forgot to say that I had no space to host it. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

When were we going to enact planning of the World Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be involved...Id hate for this to be something done behind closed doors so to speak. -K- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I have experience in organization, research, and the wording and formation of coherent policy. -K- --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > When were we going to enact planning of the World > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > behind closed doors so to speak. > > -K- > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

could someone bring a unicylce to the july 10th competition? I just want to see what its like. Thats all Evan

I would, but.... I can't come. :( I have to take drivers ed. GOSH DARNIT But Macky, who lives there (I think) is a pretty proficient unicyclist. Also, Ross Palmer is an excellent rider and I think he'll be there. Last time I talked to him, he said he would bring his uni. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > could someone bring a unicylce to the july 10th competition? I just > want to see what its like. Thats all > > Evan

Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. But it seems like no one is trying to do anything about it. I would love to, but I have no idea how to get it started. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > I have experience in organization, research, and the > wording and formation of coherent policy. > -K- > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > When were we going to enact planning of the World > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Im willing to get this ball rolling... -K- --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. But > it seems like no > one is trying to do anything about it. I would love > to, but I have no > idea how to get it started. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > I have experience in organization, research, and > the > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > -K- > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > World > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Alright, send me your infos, how would I meet you, yahoo chat? FTP upload? Email?

So... right now, I'm just writing official rules. My school year ends in 2 weeks so I have a huge finals crunch after that but once school gets out, I guarantee I will have a good comprehensive set of official rules up. These rules will be implemented at the US Championships and you can find them at http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/ The rules will also be revised once the new timer is adopted. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 28, 2004, at 9:59 PM, Michael Atkinson wrote: > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. But it seems like no > one is trying to do anything about it. I would love to, but I have no > idea how to get it started. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > I have experience in organization, research, and the > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > -K- > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > When were we going to enact planning of the World > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >       > > >             > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > > > > > > >  > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > >     > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >       > >             > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Yahoo : Craptastic_crap AIM: RemixTehCubies MSN: Craptastic_crap@... --- pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Alright, send me your infos, how would I meet you, > yahoo chat? FTP > upload? Email? > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Fair points - didn't want to over confuse people with math notation. Nice post from chris too. I don't think people struggling with this sort of thing are going to learn it in this forum though so I still say to those interested - go and read some easy books on group theory! Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" > <duncan@d...> wrote: > > Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves > on a > > Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird > stuff. Talk > > about apples and oranges! > > > > Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and > concluded that X > > = 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. > > > > You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a > > 3-cycle. > > Even so, this is quite misleading. It's far better to write X*X*X=1 > or X^3=1. 3*X=0 would be the sort of notation used in an Abelian > group and even if we restrict ourselves to <X>, we'd still probably > at some level be thinking of it as a subgroup of the usual cube group > which is very much non-Abelian (and so would use multiplicative > rather than additive notation and use 1 (or perhaps e) as a symbol > for the identity rather that 0). It's really only OK to write 3*X=0 > if you're talking about an Abelian subgroup containing <X> but even > then, you'd write 3X=0, as a shorthand for X+X+X=0 and wouldn't use > the * sign (unless of course you were perhaps thinking of looking at > it from the point of a Z-module - and then you'd not be looking to > divide by 3 because 1/3 isn't in Z). > > All the talk in the thread about dividing by X or by 3 is really > quite meaningless in the context of the cube group. Well, dividing by > X isn't but we'd have to write X*X=X^(-1) (or if we really did want > to work in <X> and use additive notation we'd have to subtract rather > than divide and get 2X=-X. In that case, there'd be no multiplicative > operation anyway, since we're not dealing with a ring structure, so > it wouldn't make sense to divide by 3 or by X or even to discuss > division at all.) > > > > > Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't > done any > > advanced maths, or read up on group theory! > > > > Duncan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@h...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > > > > > > > stradivariuscuber wrote: > > > > > > >Hey, doug > > > > > > > >I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. > > > >____________ > > > >Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're > > > >never > > > >supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet > (and x > > > >could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of > > > >thumb > > > >is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. > > > > > > > > > > > ....yep > > > > > > >Rock on! > > > >Josea > > > > > > > >----------------- > > > > > > > >However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I > > > >should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure > what > > > >the correct answer is. > > > > > > > > > > > Yea. > > > > > > Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: > > > > > > X=2Y > > > Y=X/2 > > > > > > then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a > bit. > > > I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two- > variable > > > equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for > the > > > other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you > will > > > get pretty strange stuff. For instance: > > > > > > X=(2/3)Y+3 > > > Y=(3(X-3))/2 > > > > > > subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation > gives us > > > this: > > > > > > X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 > > > > > > so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 > > > and... X-3+3=X > > > > > > so basically all that proves is that X=X. > > > > > > For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, > from > > > what I know you need two totally different equations. > > > > > > As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've > said for > > > all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to > type the = > > > with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to > write "is not > > > equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among > computer > > > geeks such as myself. > > > > > > In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, > which open > > > up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can > solve > > > an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation > for > > > what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is > > > necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) > in the > > > denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate > the "rule > > > of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. > > > > > > Doug Reed > > > > > > >Austin > > > > > > > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed > > > ><dougreed@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>By the same logic: > > > >> > > > >>X=2*(2*X) > > > >>X=4*X > > > >>X/X=4 > > > >>1=4 > > > >> > > > >>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably > > > >either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood > what > > > >you were trying to say. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Doug > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>stradivariuscuber wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and > (R2 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >U') > > > > > > > > > > > >>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >last > > > > > > > > > > > >>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >done > > > > > > > > > > > >>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done > once, > > > >>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >R')" = > > > > > > > > > > > >>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >you > > > > > > > > > > > >>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>X=2*Y > > > >>>and > > > >>>2*X=Y > > > >>> > > > >>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > > > >>> > > > >>>X=2*(2*X) > > > >>>X=4*X > > > >>>-3*X=0 > > > >>>X=0 > > > >>> > > > >>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > > > >>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > > > >>> > > > >>>2*0=Y > > > >>>Y=0 > > > >>> > > > >>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > > > >>> > > > >>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they > are > > > >>>zero, nothing! > > > >>> > > > >>>Austin > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>Yahoo! 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Duncan Dicks wrote: >Fair points - didn't want to over confuse people with math notation. >Nice post from chris too. > >I don't think people struggling with this sort of thing are going to learn >it in this forum though so I still say to those interested - go and read >some easy books on group theory! > > I have been interested in this for quite some time. Any books/websites you would recommend we get started with? Doug >Duncan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> >To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:48 PM >Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > > > > >>--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" >><duncan@d...> wrote: >> >> >>>Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves >>> >>> >>on a >> >> >>>Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird >>> >>> >>stuff. Talk >> >> >>>about apples and oranges! >>> >>>Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and >>> >>> >>concluded that X >> >> >>>= 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. >>> >>>You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a >>>3-cycle. >>> >>> >>Even so, this is quite misleading. It's far better to write X*X*X=1 >>or X^3=1. 3*X=0 would be the sort of notation used in an Abelian >>group and even if we restrict ourselves to <X>, we'd still probably >>at some level be thinking of it as a subgroup of the usual cube group >>which is very much non-Abelian (and so would use multiplicative >>rather than additive notation and use 1 (or perhaps e) as a symbol >>for the identity rather that 0). It's really only OK to write 3*X=0 >>if you're talking about an Abelian subgroup containing <X> but even >>then, you'd write 3X=0, as a shorthand for X+X+X=0 and wouldn't use >>the * sign (unless of course you were perhaps thinking of looking at >>it from the point of a Z-module - and then you'd not be looking to >>divide by 3 because 1/3 isn't in Z). >> >>All the talk in the thread about dividing by X or by 3 is really >>quite meaningless in the context of the cube group. Well, dividing by >>X isn't but we'd have to write X*X=X^(-1) (or if we really did want >>to work in <X> and use additive notation we'd have to subtract rather >>than divide and get 2X=-X. In that case, there'd be no multiplicative >>operation anyway, since we're not dealing with a ring structure, so >>it wouldn't make sense to divide by 3 or by X or even to discuss >>division at all.) >> >> >> >>>Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't >>> >>> >>done any >> >> >>>advanced maths, or read up on group theory! >>> >>>Duncan >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@h...> >>>To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> >>>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:55 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>stradivariuscuber wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hey, doug >>>>> >>>>>I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. >>>>>____________ >>>>>Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're >>>>>never >>>>>supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet >>>>> >>>>> >>(and x >> >> >>>>>could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of >>>>>thumb >>>>>is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>....yep >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Rock on! >>>>>Josea >>>>> >>>>>----------------- >>>>> >>>>>However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I >>>>>should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure >>>>> >>>>> >>what >> >> >>>>>the correct answer is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yea. >>>> >>>>Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: >>>> >>>>X=2Y >>>>Y=X/2 >>>> >>>>then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a >>>> >>>> >>bit. >> >> >>>>I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two- >>>> >>>> >>variable >> >> >>>>equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you >>>> >>>> >>will >> >> >>>>get pretty strange stuff. For instance: >>>> >>>>X=(2/3)Y+3 >>>>Y=(3(X-3))/2 >>>> >>>>subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation >>>> >>>> >>gives us >> >> >>>>this: >>>> >>>>X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 >>>> >>>>so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 >>>>and... X-3+3=X >>>> >>>>so basically all that proves is that X=X. >>>> >>>>For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, >>>> >>>> >>from >> >> >>>>what I know you need two totally different equations. >>>> >>>>As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've >>>> >>>> >>said for >> >> >>>>all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to >>>> >>>> >>type the = >> >> >>>>with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to >>>> >>>> >>write "is not >> >> >>>>equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among >>>> >>>> >>computer >> >> >>>>geeks such as myself. >>>> >>>>In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, >>>> >>>> >>which open >> >> >>>>up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can >>>> >>>> >>solve >> >> >>>>an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation >>>> >>>> >>for >> >> >>>>what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is >>>>necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) >>>> >>>> >>in the >> >> >>>>denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate >>>> >>>> >>the "rule >> >> >>>>of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. >>>> >>>>Doug Reed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Austin >>>>> >>>>>--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed >>>>><dougreed@h...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>By the same logic: >>>>>> >>>>>>X=2*(2*X) >>>>>>X=4*X >>>>>>X/X=4 >>>>>>1=4 >>>>>> >>>>>>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably >>>>>either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood >>>>> >>>>> >>what >> >> >>>>>you were trying to say. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Doug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>stradivariuscuber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>(R2 >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>U') >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>last >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>done >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>once, >> >> >>>>>>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>R')" = >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>X=2*Y >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>2*X=Y >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get >>>>>>> >>>>>>>X=2*(2*X) >>>>>>>X=4*X >>>>>>>-3*X=0 >>>>>>>X=0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 >>>>>>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2*0=Y >>>>>>>Y=0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>are >> >> >>>>>>>zero, nothing! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Austin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yahoo! 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Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, whatever that may be. This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes in 24 hours was rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 something record. We were talking about just having our own record list, completely ignoring Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set the standards for official record breaking. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > -K- > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. But > > it seems like no > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would love > > to, but I have no > > idea how to get it started. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > > Bryant > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > I have experience in organization, research, and > > the > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > -K- > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > World > > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > > Messenger. > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Im thinking of a multipurposed organization. one that would set rules, standards for the verification of videos, appropriating funds (and generating them) for regular tournaments, tournament structure (regionals, nationals, worlds, rules) and things like that. I think it is imperative that the action Begin with us, the members of the speedcubing community. Also, its important that we make up a decent portion of the executive board of the actual organization (with representation from distributors and such). If anything, it should be something we are all thinking about, because it would most definitely take the community into a positive, more unified direction. -K- --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, > whatever that may be. > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes > in 24 hours was > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 > something record. We were > talking about just having our own record list, > completely ignoring > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set > the standards for > official record breaking. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > > -K- > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. > But > > > it seems like no > > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would > love > > > to, but I have no > > > idea how to get it started. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Kyle > > > Bryant > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > I have experience in organization, research, > and > > > the > > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > > -K- > > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > > World > > > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to > be > > > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something > done > > > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > > > Messenger. > > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Let me investigate Doug - its 15 years since I did my maths PhD so I'm a bit out of date with good references! I'll post something if no-one else does first. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > Duncan Dicks wrote: > > >Fair points - didn't want to over confuse people with math notation. > >Nice post from chris too. > > > >I don't think people struggling with this sort of thing are going to learn > >it in this forum though so I still say to those interested - go and read > >some easy books on group theory! > > > > > I have been interested in this for quite some time. Any books/websites > you would recommend we get started with? > > Doug > > >Duncan > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > >To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:48 PM > >Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > > > > > > > > > >>--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" > >><duncan@d...> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Guys what are you doing. You seem to be taking sequences or moves > >>> > >>> > >>on a > >> > >> > >>>Rubik's cube and adding numbers to them and all sorts of weird > >>> > >>> > >>stuff. Talk > >> > >> > >>>about apples and oranges! > >>> > >>>Fundamentally in the first e-mail you got that X = 4*X and > >>> > >>> > >>concluded that X > >> > >> > >>>= 0. True for numbers for not for lots and lots of other groups. > >>> > >>>You could just about conclude that 3*X = 0. Which is true as X is a > >>>3-cycle. > >>> > >>> > >>Even so, this is quite misleading. It's far better to write X*X*X=1 > >>or X^3=1. 3*X=0 would be the sort of notation used in an Abelian > >>group and even if we restrict ourselves to <X>, we'd still probably > >>at some level be thinking of it as a subgroup of the usual cube group > >>which is very much non-Abelian (and so would use multiplicative > >>rather than additive notation and use 1 (or perhaps e) as a symbol > >>for the identity rather that 0). It's really only OK to write 3*X=0 > >>if you're talking about an Abelian subgroup containing <X> but even > >>then, you'd write 3X=0, as a shorthand for X+X+X=0 and wouldn't use > >>the * sign (unless of course you were perhaps thinking of looking at > >>it from the point of a Z-module - and then you'd not be looking to > >>divide by 3 because 1/3 isn't in Z). > >> > >>All the talk in the thread about dividing by X or by 3 is really > >>quite meaningless in the context of the cube group. Well, dividing by > >>X isn't but we'd have to write X*X=X^(-1) (or if we really did want > >>to work in <X> and use additive notation we'd have to subtract rather > >>than divide and get 2X=-X. In that case, there'd be no multiplicative > >>operation anyway, since we're not dealing with a ring structure, so > >>it wouldn't make sense to divide by 3 or by X or even to discuss > >>division at all.) > >> > >> > >> > >>>Probably safest to say don't worry about the algebra if you haven't > >>> > >>> > >>done any > >> > >> > >>>advanced maths, or read up on group theory! > >>> > >>>Duncan > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Doug Reed" <dougreed@h...> > >>>To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > >>>Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:55 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Algs and Algebra > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>stradivariuscuber wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Hey, doug > >>>>> > >>>>>I checked with my Algebra 2 teacher, and this is what she said. > >>>>>____________ > >>>>>Hi, Austin! You're right. Doug divided by a variable - - you're > >>>>>never > >>>>>supposed to divide by 0, and since we don't know what x is yet > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>(and x > >> > >> > >>>>>could potentially be 0), dividing by x is dangerous. The rule of > >>>>>thumb > >>>>>is to never divide by a variable when solving an equation. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>....yep > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Rock on! > >>>>>Josea > >>>>> > >>>>>----------------- > >>>>> > >>>>>However, Richard said that since I was doing the alg two times, I > >>>>>should have done X times X instead of 2 times X. I'm not sure > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>what > >> > >> > >>>>>the correct answer is. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Yea. > >>>> > >>>>Not only that, but I believe that even if you rewrote it as this: > >>>> > >>>>X=2Y > >>>>Y=X/2 > >>>> > >>>>then those are really the same equations, just shuffled around a > >>>> > >>>> > >>bit. > >> > >> > >>>>I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think if you take any two- > >>>> > >>>> > >>variable > >> > >> > >>>>equation that is equal to one variable (X=2Y), and then solve for > >>>> > >>>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>>other variable (Y=X/2) and use it to plug in to the original, you > >>>> > >>>> > >>will > >> > >> > >>>>get pretty strange stuff. For instance: > >>>> > >>>>X=(2/3)Y+3 > >>>>Y=(3(X-3))/2 > >>>> > >>>>subtituting the 2nd equation in for all Y in the first equation > >>>> > >>>> > >>gives us > >> > >> > >>>>this: > >>>> > >>>>X=(2/3)(3/2)(X-3)+3 > >>>> > >>>>so, we know that... (2/3)(3/2)=1 > >>>>and... X-3+3=X > >>>> > >>>>so basically all that proves is that X=X. > >>>> > >>>>For substituting variables like that, or for composite functions, > >>>> > >>>> > >>from > >> > >> > >>>>what I know you need two totally different equations. > >>>> > >>>>As for the division by 0, your teacher is right. I should've > >>>> > >>>> > >>said for > >> > >> > >>>>all X != 0, which limits the domain, but I didn't know how to > >>>> > >>>> > >>type the = > >> > >> > >>>>with a / through it, which is the more traditional way to > >>>> > >>>> > >>write "is not > >> > >> > >>>>equal to". The one I just used ( != ) is more common among > >>>> > >>>> > >>computer > >> > >> > >>>>geeks such as myself. > >>>> > >>>>In a few years when you take Calculus, you will learn limits, > >>>> > >>>> > >>which open > >> > >> > >>>>up a whole new 'gray' area of math to you. With limits, you can > >>>> > >>>> > >>solve > >> > >> > >>>>an equation as x approaches n (lim x->n) and get an approximation > >>>> > >>>> > >>for > >> > >> > >>>>what X would be if it reached that number n. Sometimes this is > >>>>necessary, especially if you have a fraction with a variable(s) > >>>> > >>>> > >>in the > >> > >> > >>>>denominator, which you cannot brush off because they violate > >>>> > >>>> > >>the "rule > >> > >> > >>>>of thumb". But that is a different subject for a different email. > >>>> > >>>>Doug Reed > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Austin > >>>>> > >>>>>--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Doug Reed > >>>>><dougreed@h...> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>By the same logic: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>X=2*(2*X) > >>>>>>X=4*X > >>>>>>X/X=4 > >>>>>>1=4 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I think you should re-check your algebra and your "givens", i.e. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>X=2Y and Y=2X (which in itself shows that X and Y are probably > >>>>>either 0 or approach +/- inf), unless I totally misunderstood > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>what > >> > >> > >>>>>you were trying to say. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Doug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>stradivariuscuber wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>You know that tha algs (R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R') and > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>(R2 > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>U') > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R) move three edge cubies around on the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>last > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>layer. You also know that "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>done > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>twice is the same as "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" done > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>once, > >> > >> > >>>>>>>and vice versa. So, assuming "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>R')" = > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>variable X, and "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" = variable Y, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>you > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>can assume (where the asterik * denotes multiplication) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>X=2*Y > >>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>2*X=Y > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>If we plug 2*X in for Y in the top equation, we get > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>X=2*(2*X) > >>>>>>>X=4*X > >>>>>>>-3*X=0 > >>>>>>>X=0 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>So, "(R2' U)(R U R' U')(R' U')(R' U R')" = 0 > >>>>>>>Now, knowing variable X=0, we can solve for variable Y > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>2*0=Y > >>>>>>>Y=0 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>So, "(R2 U')(R' U' R U)(R U)(R U' R)" is also equal to zero! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>According to algebra, these two algs are not only equal, they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>are > >> > >> > >>>>>>>zero, nothing! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Austin > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yahoo! 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I started a thread on this a few weeks ago which culminated in Tyson's offer to get things started at the US championships I think. I have very similar thoughts Kyle, it must be inclusive and it must set rules and standards that if not agreed by consensus at least have a large majority agreeing with them. I think someone pointed out before how important it would be to have representatives from different countries too. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Bryant" <craptastic_crap@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] World Organization? > Im thinking of a multipurposed organization. one that > would set rules, standards for the verification of > videos, appropriating funds (and generating them) for > regular tournaments, tournament structure (regionals, > nationals, worlds, rules) and things like that. I > think it is imperative that the action Begin with us, > the members of the speedcubing community. Also, its > important that we make up a decent portion of the > executive board of the actual organization (with > representation from distributors and such). If > anything, it should be something we are all thinking > about, because it would most definitely take the > community into a positive, more unified direction. > -K- > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, > > whatever that may be. > > > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes > > in 24 hours was > > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 > > something record. We were > > talking about just having our own record list, > > completely ignoring > > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set > > the standards for > > official record breaking. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > > Bryant > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > > > -K- > > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. > > But > > > > it seems like no > > > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would > > love > > > > to, but I have no > > > > idea how to get it started. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > Kyle > > > > Bryant > > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > I have experience in organization, research, > > and > > > > the > > > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > > > -K- > > > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > > > World > > > > > > Speedcubing Organization? 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I have a couple of videos but no idea how to get them to you. I don't have a website that I can put videos on and they are too big to be accepted by the yahoogroup on a post. Do you want them? and if so what's the best way to do this? They are both onehanded. The first is about 46 seconds but the last few turns on the last move (a 3-cycle of edges) didnt get filmed because the memory stick on the camera filled. The second is much slower - about 56 seconds but at least its all there! The method is my own variation on Fridrich as described is some other posts. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Bryant" <craptastic_crap@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Call for Videos > single solve 3x3 is the priority, but the others are > nice too. > -K- > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > > A friend of mine has a high quality camera. 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my contact information has been posted...send me an individual email or catch me on yahoo or AIM. -K- --- Duncan Dicks <duncan@...> wrote: > I have a couple of videos but no idea how to get > them to you. I don't have > a website that I can put videos on and they are too > big to be accepted by > the yahoogroup on a post. Do you want them? and if > so what's the best way > to do this? > > They are both onehanded. The first is about 46 > seconds but the last few > turns on the last move (a 3-cycle of edges) didnt > get filmed because the > memory stick on the camera filled. The second is > much slower - about 56 > seconds but at least its all there! > > The method is my own variation on Fridrich as > described is some other posts. > > Duncan > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Bryant" <craptastic_crap@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Call for > Videos > > > > single solve 3x3 is the priority, but the others > are > > nice too. > > -K- > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > > > A friend of mine has a high quality camera. I > can > > > probably get a > > > shot of me solving sometime within the next week > or > > > so. If you want, > > > I'll film myself one handed, with feet, > blindfolded, > > > unicycling, > > > whatever.... > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Tyson > > > Mao <tmao@i...> > > > wrote: > > > > It would be nice if all the movies are > actually > > > high quality... > > > > otherwise, what's the point of having it on a > DVD? > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > MSC #631 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > On May 27, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Kyle Bryant > wrote: > > > > > > > > > production of this DVD alone will be insane, > I > > > doubt > > > > > the job will be finished until July. > > > > > Im just gathering Ideas at this point. > > > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > > > Any chance u can wait about two more > weeks > > > before > > > > > > putting together a DVD or > > > > > > anything? School will then be out for me > and > > > I can > > > > > > get a video of me, and > > > > > > of my robot (which averages about 15 > seconds > > > now) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129k0ngdb/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > > > > D=groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1085760169/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > > > > > > > > companion > > > > > > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? > > > M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > > > > > D=groups/S= > > > > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=817917339> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, > > > send an > > > > > > email to: > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > > > > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is > > > subject to > > > > > > the Yahoo! Terms of > > > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > > > Sponsor > > > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > > > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! > > > Companion > > > > > > Toolbar. > > > > > > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---~- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I think the main benefits of this organization will not only be a unification of cubers worldwide, but of a genuine sense of focus, and perhaps not everything will fall on two people's backs regarding planning...Rigid rules concerning the hierarchy of tournaments will bring credibility and acclaim to the sport, and leaving the option open for unsanctioned side tourneys is a must to preserve the rather freeform nature of the community that makes it so appealing. Im game for anything. -K- --- Duncan Dicks <duncan@...> wrote: > I started a thread on this a few weeks ago which > culminated in Tyson's offer > to get things started at the US championships I > think. > I have very similar thoughts Kyle, it must be > inclusive and it must set > rules and standards that if not agreed by consensus > at least have a large > majority agreeing with them. I think someone > pointed out before how > important it would be to have representatives from > different countries too. > > Duncan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Bryant" <craptastic_crap@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] World > Organization? > > > > Im thinking of a multipurposed organization. one > that > > would set rules, standards for the verification of > > videos, appropriating funds (and generating them) > for > > regular tournaments, tournament structure > (regionals, > > nationals, worlds, rules) and things like that. I > > think it is imperative that the action Begin with > us, > > the members of the speedcubing community. Also, > its > > important that we make up a decent portion of the > > executive board of the actual organization (with > > representation from distributors and such). If > > anything, it should be something we are all > thinking > > about, because it would most definitely take the > > community into a positive, more unified direction. > > -K- > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > > > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, > > > whatever that may be. > > > > > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 > cubes > > > in 24 hours was > > > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 > > > something record. We were > > > talking about just having our own record list, > > > completely ignoring > > > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should > set > > > the standards for > > > official record breaking. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Kyle > > > Bryant > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > > > > -K- > > > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > > > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for > ages. > > > But > > > > > it seems like no > > > > > one is trying to do anything about it. I > would > > > love > > > > > to, but I have no > > > > > idea how to get it started. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > Kyle > > > > > Bryant > > > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I have experience in organization, > research, > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> > wrote: > > > > > > > When were we going to enact planning of > the > > > > > World > > > > > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather > eager to > > > be > > > > > > > involved...Id hate for this to be > something > > > done > > > > > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. 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Yes, everything you say in true. Just let me take my finals and after that, I'll have the set of documents which contains all the rules for the tournament, the hierarchy, the guildelines for the organization, and everything else submitted to here for your general approval. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 29, 2004, at 9:10 AM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > I think the main benefits of this organization will > not only be a unification of cubers worldwide, but of > a genuine sense of focus, and perhaps not everything > will fall on two people's backs regarding > planning...Rigid rules concerning the hierarchy of > tournaments will bring credibility and acclaim to the > sport, and leaving the option open for unsanctioned > side tourneys is a must to preserve the rather > freeform nature of the community that makes it so > appealing. > Im game for anything. > -K-

yea, count me in.... ive done a lot of stuff like this before and id love to help Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, whatever that may be. This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes in 24 hours was rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 something record. We were talking about just having our own record list, completely ignoring Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set the standards for official record breaking. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > -K- > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. But > > it seems like no > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would love > > to, but I have no > > idea how to get it started. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > > Bryant > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > I have experience in organization, research, and > > the > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > -K- > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > World > > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to be > > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something done > > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > > Messenger. > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You all say you want to help, but are doing nothing. Someone needs to design a website.

Hey Everyone, So I started speedcubing again after a 2 months hiatus in which my cube time was spent working on the US tournament (which everyone should come to) and the World Rubik's Cube Association. Anyway, I've broken my old records. My best StackMat average is 23.58 in which the range of the times was 20.43 to 26.75. The second half of this average was really consistent which is part of the reason I was able to break 24. Anyway, I broke my single solve record today of 19.02. It seems that my range is getting narrower and narrower. When I used to average about 26 seconds, I'd have times from 20 seconds to 32 seconds. It seems like there's a limit unless I improve my single solve times. There's only so much you can go by being consistent... eventually, if my single solve time doesn't get any better, I'm going to find myself doing 19.02 seconds 12 times in a row. (Actually, that would be cool.) What do I do? What's there for me to do now (besides just practice practice practice) to bring my single solve time closer to 15 and my average closer to 20? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

designing a website doesnt FORCE an organization to exist... its a nice idea though... but technically before a website goes up it has to be about something...that ALREADY exists. throwing around ideas is NOT THE SAME as inaction... need sleep.....gar! -K- --- pplqualshiot <pplqualshiot@...> wrote: > You all say you want to help, but are doing nothing. > Someone needs to > design a website. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I have a rough outline of a website on my site at http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/ I've got one more week of school and then finals though. I'll get to it once school gets out. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 29, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > designing a website doesnt FORCE an organization to > exist... > its a nice idea though... > but technically before a website goes up > it has to be about something...that ALREADY exists. > throwing around ideas is NOT THE SAME as inaction... > need sleep.....gar! > -K-

ok...someone needs to contact hessport, or seventowns, or whatever and talk to them about the legality of forming a world org. without their initial action, I suppose it was easier for Cup Stacking, since the major producer (i think) formed the organization. Since there is a difference there, I think we need to iron that out...It would also be nice to get together over an open chat sometime soon to talk about infrastructure. -K- --- sapan you <gotsoup420@...> wrote: > yea, count me in.... ive done a lot of stuff like > this before and id love to help > > > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, > whatever that may be. > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes > in 24 hours was > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 > something record. We were > talking about just having our own record list, > completely ignoring > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set > the standards for > official record breaking. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > > -K- > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. > But > > > it seems like no > > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would > love > > > to, but I have no > > > idea how to get it started. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Kyle > > > Bryant > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > I have experience in organization, research, > and > > > the > > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > > -K- > > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > > World > > > > > Speedcubing Organization? Im rather eager to > be > > > > > involved...Id hate for this to be something > done > > > > > behind closed doors so to speak. > > > > > > > > > > -K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > > > Messenger. > > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __ __ __ > |__|__|__| > |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> > |__|__|__| > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

sorry for being snappy --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > designing a website doesnt FORCE an organization to > exist... > its a nice idea though... > but technically before a website goes up > it has to be about something...that ALREADY exists. > throwing around ideas is NOT THE SAME as inaction... > need sleep.....gar! > -K- > --- pplqualshiot <pplqualshiot@...> wrote: > > You all say you want to help, but are doing > nothing. > > Someone needs to > > design a website. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I will talk to Dave Jones. Perhaps they will be able to help us get a website. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 29, 2004, at 11:48 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > ok...someone needs to contact hessport, or seventowns, > or whatever and talk to them about the legality of > forming a world org. without their initial action, I > suppose it was easier for Cup Stacking, since the > major producer (i think) formed the organization. > Since there is a difference there, I think we need to > iron that out...It would also be nice to get together > over an open chat sometime soon to talk about > infrastructure. > -K- > --- sapan you <gotsoup420@...> wrote: > > yea, count me in.... ive done a lot of stuff like > > this before and id love to help > >  > > > > > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: > > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, > > whatever that may be. > > > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes > > in 24 hours was > > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 > > something record. We were > > talking about just having our own record list, > > completely ignoring > > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set > > the standards for > > official record breaking. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > > Bryant > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > Im willing to get this ball rolling... > > > -K- > > > --- Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > > > > Eh, we've been talking about this idea for ages. > > But > > > > it seems like no > > > > one is trying to do anything about it. I would > > love > > > > to, but I have no > > > > idea how to get it started. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > Kyle > > > > Bryant > > > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > I have experience in organization, research, > > and > > > > the > > > > > wording and formation of coherent policy. > > > > > -K- > > > > > --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > > > > When were we going to enact planning of the > > > > World > > > > > > Speedcubing Organization? 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Tyson, if this isnt out of my bounds or being too incredibly forward...Id like to ask if I could be considered for the Board of the WRCA, Im willing to do work for the community and I have experience writing and conceptualizing policy. and at the risk of arrogance, I now go: -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > I have a rough outline of a website on my site at > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/ I've got one more > week of school and > then finals though. I'll get to it once school gets > out. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 29, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > designing a website doesnt FORCE an organization > to > > exist... > > its a nice idea though... > > but technically before a website goes up > > it has to be about something...that ALREADY > exists. > > throwing around ideas is NOT THE SAME as > inaction... > > need sleep.....gar! > > -K- > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hi Kyle, Haha... as if not everyone in the groups could sense your eagerness. I think the main idea was for me, Ron, and Chris to get things started, and then start establishing ways for people to elect a new board, for more people to be on the board, for people to be licensed as tournament directors and everything etc. I keep saying... in two weeks, my school year will end and I will be able to put time into this. This whole WRCA will happen. I just need to finish off my academic year... or else risk a report card with lovely things called C's which are never good. Just be patient... and in a little while, we'll probably be calling on you. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On May 29, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > Tyson, if this isnt out of my bounds or being too > incredibly forward...Id like to ask if I could be > considered for the Board of the WRCA, Im willing to do > work for the community and I have experience writing > and conceptualizing policy. > and at the risk of arrogance, I now go: > -K-

Fantastic whatever you need, just ask! -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > Haha... as if not everyone in the groups could sense > your eagerness. I > think the main idea was for me, Ron, and Chris to > get things started, > and then start establishing ways for people to elect > a new board, for > more people to be on the board, for people to be > licensed as tournament > directors and everything etc. > > I keep saying... in two weeks, my school year will > end and I will be > able to put time into this. This whole WRCA will > happen. I just need > to finish off my academic year... or else risk a > report card with > lovely things called C's which are never good. Just > be patient... and > in a little while, we'll probably be calling on you. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 29, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > Tyson, if this isnt out of my bounds or being too > > incredibly forward...Id like to ask if I could be > > considered for the Board of the WRCA, Im willing > to do > > work for the community and I have experience > writing > > and conceptualizing policy. > > and at the risk of arrogance, I now go: > > -K- > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I now accept the following categories of records: Avg - Speed Avg - Blind Avg - Super Super Super and the following puzzles: Square 1 Skewb Magic Master Magic and 3x3x5 any combo of puzzle type and solve type are accepted. this dynamic record system allows for you to, at any time, submit your records Directly to my site, where they will be instantly added to my database. hooray and hooray again. more updates on the way. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hey Tyson, Your situation seems pretty similar to mine. I PB average is 22.8 but it would probably be a half second slower if done on a stackmat. My times are also being squished down to a smaller range. My advice would be to learn more algs. My theory is that consistant times indicate that you have mastered the solution using certain set of algs. If your times ar inconsistant it indicates that you can still improve a lot with the algs you know. Have you learned all the Fridrich algs yet? Also I'd look for more efficient ways to solve commmon F2L postition taking advantage of open slots. You know, just some shortcuts. Also work on an Xcross or something. Along with learning the rest of the OLL algs, thats my plan for getting sub20. I'm not there yet though. Maybe someone faster has some better advice. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > So I started speedcubing again after a 2 months hiatus in which my cube > time was spent working on the US tournament (which everyone should come > to) and the World Rubik's Cube Association. Anyway, I've broken my old > records. My best StackMat average is 23.58 in which the range of the > times was 20.43 to 26.75. The second half of this average was really > consistent which is part of the reason I was able to break 24. > > Anyway, I broke my single solve record today of 19.02. It seems that > my range is getting narrower and narrower. When I used to average > about 26 seconds, I'd have times from 20 seconds to 32 seconds. It > seems like there's a limit unless I improve my single solve times. > There's only so much you can go by being consistent... eventually, if > my single solve time doesn't get any better, I'm going to find myself > doing 19.02 seconds 12 times in a row. (Actually, that would be cool.) > > What do I do? What's there for me to do now (besides just practice > practice practice) to bring my single solve time closer to 15 and my > average closer to 20? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

I would love to help too but unfortunatly I dont have much time. I, too, have to finish my school year and i'll be going into college in Health Science, as well has high music studies. But if you are willing to put up a website, the least I can do is translate a french version. I'm perfectly bilangual and it will not be too hard for me.

Would anyone know where i can get one of the large 3x3x3 cubes? the ones that measure 9cm to a side. I see them on ebay every once in a while but was wondering if there was some actualy internet store or something like that where i could buy one. thx for the input Evan

even though im not a frequent poster, consider me as eager (if not more) than kyle... always ready to help. cubekid Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: Fantastic whatever you need, just ask! -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > Haha... as if not everyone in the groups could sense > your eagerness. I > think the main idea was for me, Ron, and Chris to > get things started, > and then start establishing ways for people to elect > a new board, for > more people to be on the board, for people to be > licensed as tournament > directors and everything etc. > > I keep saying... in two weeks, my school year will > end and I will be > able to put time into this. This whole WRCA will > happen. I just need > to finish off my academic year... or else risk a > report card with > lovely things called C's which are never good. Just > be patient... and > in a little while, we'll probably be calling on you. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 29, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > Tyson, if this isnt out of my bounds or being too > > incredibly forward...Id like to ask if I could be > > considered for the Board of the WRCA, Im willing > to do > > work for the community and I have experience > writing > > and conceptualizing policy. > > and at the risk of arrogance, I now go: > > -K- > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

and i can also make the website... im already making a whole bunch and i could probably use the same layout -cubekid Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: Fantastic whatever you need, just ask! -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > Haha... as if not everyone in the groups could sense > your eagerness. I > think the main idea was for me, Ron, and Chris to > get things started, > and then start establishing ways for people to elect > a new board, for > more people to be on the board, for people to be > licensed as tournament > directors and everything etc. > > I keep saying... in two weeks, my school year will > end and I will be > able to put time into this. This whole WRCA will > happen. I just need > to finish off my academic year... or else risk a > report card with > lovely things called C's which are never good. Just > be patient... and > in a little while, we'll probably be calling on you. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 29, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > Tyson, if this isnt out of my bounds or being too > > incredibly forward...Id like to ask if I could be > > considered for the Board of the WRCA, Im willing > to do > > work for the community and I have experience > writing > > and conceptualizing policy. > > and at the risk of arrogance, I now go: > > -K- > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > Would anyone know where i can get one of the large 3x3x3 cubes? the > ones that measure 9cm to a side. I see them on ebay every once in a > while but was wondering if there was some actualy internet store or > something like that where i could buy one. > > thx for the input > > Evan I can sell you one, just mail me for an paypal invoice Ton ton @ speedcubing.com

hey ton, im also interested in a big 3x3x3. d you have anymore you're willing to sell. -richard --- turnthatcube <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "evanmgates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > Would anyone know where i can get one of the large > 3x3x3 cubes? the > > ones that measure 9cm to a side. I see them on > ebay every once in > a > > while but was wondering if there was some actualy > internet store or > > something like that where i could buy one. > > > > thx for the input > > > > Evan > I can sell you one, just mail me for an paypal > invoice > > Ton > > ton @ speedcubing.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

me too! --- richard wang <aznneo88@...> wrote: > hey ton, > > im also interested in a big 3x3x3. d you have > anymore > you're willing to sell. > > -richard > --- turnthatcube <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "evanmgates" > > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Would anyone know where i can get one of the > large > > 3x3x3 cubes? the > > > ones that measure 9cm to a side. I see them on > > ebay every once in > > a > > > while but was wondering if there was some > actualy > > internet store or > > > something like that where i could buy one. > > > > > > thx for the input > > > > > > Evan > > I can sell you one, just mail me for an paypal > > invoice > > > > Ton > > > > ton @ speedcubing.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

ok, i'm on my way to learning this method. http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/Intermediate.html but i don't have alot of free time with alot exams coming up. Anyway, i have trouble twisting the cube into a position so that i can apply one of the algorithms from, and this seems to be eating up my time: POSITION corners (affects corner orientations and edge positions any tips would be great.

Hi everybody, I received my arxon cubes from Ton Dennebroek (Thanks a lot Ton !!!) and I broke all my records. I made a new video : 27.03 seconds http://perfectgod.free.fr/download.htm A+ Loic

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@f...> wrote: > The method I found looks like this: 1) L and R sides. 2) M-edges. 3) > M-centers. It needs many slice moves and I'm still slow with it > (2:10). It requires about 140-150 moves. It looks better now, 125 moves on average. But the last step is killing my times. It's like Solution_2/Phase_4 at Jaap's (http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/cube4.htm), but with 4 centers (FBUD). For this, I use almost only very basic commutators like uf'u'Fufu'F' or u2r2u2r2. Maybe somebody already tried to find a broader set of sequences allowing you to solve this last step efficiently? Call me :-) Gilles.

I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you recommend it? Thanks for your help Austin

If the 3x3x3 has screws under the caps its as easy as tightening them. If it has rivets, you can slip I think its called an eclip under the end of the rivet, making it tighter. Hope that helps. Evan -----Original Message----- From: stradivariuscuber [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:39 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] looseness/tightness I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you recommend it? Thanks for your help Austin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1291fdbfh/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086104364/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=725850783> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I dunno, but some idiot sold me a Rubik's Revenge with 20 year old Vaseline in it. I still have nightmares! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > recommend it?

hey everyone, i recently bought several rubiks.com cubes and i noticed that one of the cubes had a black center. it turns out that the black center turns very well. as for the cubes with white centers, they were only moderately good. does anyone know how to tell if its black of white without popping out a center cubie? -richard

Does anyone know where to get those all metal cubes? The one that my friend made takes too much time for one cube. ~Joseph

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, donutflask <no_reply@y...> wrote: > ok, i'm on my way to learning this method. > http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/Intermediate.html > but i don't have alot of free time with alot exams coming up. > > Anyway, i have trouble twisting the cube into a position so that i > can apply one of the algorithms from, and this seems to be eating up > my time: > > POSITION corners (affects corner orientations and edge positions > > any tips would be great. If you are working on the Last Level on the Up side: There are only two ways that the last four corners can be out: two adjacent corners need to be swapped or two corners across the center need to be swapped. The first is solved by 7 moves the second by 6. Swap two adjacent corners: put those two corners on the left side of Up: R U' L' U R' U' L. (Rotates 3 corners) Swap two across the center (also know as reverse corners): R' U' F' U F R. If you don't want the corner orientation to change: move R2 B2 R F R' B2 R F' R once or twice. In spite of appearances you cannot switch two corners without changing edge positions. Regards, David J

Yeah, silicone works very well for loosening up a 4x4x4. If you use a Rubiks.com one you have to apply it frequently at first, because it will still be tight after lubing it the first few times. Eastsheen ones don't take a lot of lube and stay loose for a long time, so it depends on the type of 4x4x4 you have. I would definitely recommend lubing your 4x4x4, it makes it easier on your wrists since a solve takes longer, plus it lets you do cool things like finger tricks in some cases :) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > recommend it? > > Thanks for your help > Austin

should i just pop out an edge group (2 edges) and spray the silicone in there? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Yeah, silicone works very well for loosening up a 4x4x4. If you use > a Rubiks.com one you have to apply it frequently at first, because > it will still be tight after lubing it the first few times. > Eastsheen ones don't take a lot of lube and stay loose for a long > time, so it depends on the type of 4x4x4 you have. > > I would definitely recommend lubing your 4x4x4, it makes it easier > on your wrists since a solve takes longer, plus it lets you do cool > things like finger tricks in some cases :) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > > recommend it? > > > > Thanks for your help > > Austin

suuure.... and move it around a bit to get it all around in the inside... -b stradivariuscuber <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: should i just pop out an edge group (2 edges) and spray the silicone in there? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Yeah, silicone works very well for loosening up a 4x4x4. If you use > a Rubiks.com one you have to apply it frequently at first, because > it will still be tight after lubing it the first few times. > Eastsheen ones don't take a lot of lube and stay loose for a long > time, so it depends on the type of 4x4x4 you have. > > I would definitely recommend lubing your 4x4x4, it makes it easier > on your wrists since a solve takes longer, plus it lets you do cool > things like finger tricks in some cases :) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > > recommend it? > > > > Thanks for your help > > Austin Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's been a while since I took my Eastsheen 4x4x4 apart, but I think you just pry off one of the center piece caps and spray some lube inside. For the rubiks.com cube you have to be more careful. Turn a face about 45 degress and try to pry up one of the edge pieces. Be really careful as this puts a lot of stress on the adjacent center piece, and the little foot piece attached to the centers can break really easily. Basically what I do is check lots of the edge pieces until I find one that is particularly loose. On a new cube you'll have to use a key or a drew driver to pry the piece out (carefully) but on a looser cube you can use your fingers. Just spray a good amount of lube inside, put the piece back in and turn the faces and spin the cube around for a few minutes to spread it around real well. Hope this helps, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > should i just pop out an edge group (2 edges) and spray the silicone > in there? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > Yeah, silicone works very well for loosening up a 4x4x4. If you > use > > a Rubiks.com one you have to apply it frequently at first, because > > it will still be tight after lubing it the first few times. > > Eastsheen ones don't take a lot of lube and stay loose for a long > > time, so it depends on the type of 4x4x4 you have. > > > > I would definitely recommend lubing your 4x4x4, it makes it easier > > on your wrists since a solve takes longer, plus it lets you do > cool > > things like finger tricks in some cases :) > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > > > > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > > > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am > wondering > > > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > > > > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would > you > > > recommend it? > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > Austin

hi... ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub-20ers, (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub-20s or is it tense and fully-focused? -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm not a sub-20 cuber, but I get my best times when I'm not tense but I am fully focused on it. I keep my fingers loose, but make sure to pay attention to the cube, don't just go into 'autopilot.' --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > hi... > ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub-20ers, (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub-20s or is it tense and fully-focused? > -bm > > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey! In my opinion one can't spray a 3x3x3 cube too much. But remember to use only high quality silicon spray. Personally i have good experience with Chesterton silicon spray, but i guess most brands work very well. There has been suggested and used many other lubricants for the cube. Some i think u should not use are : oilbased sprays like WD40. The cube will be smooth initially. But after a while the cube goes real stiff :-( I have seen here in this group that some use olive oil. I don't recommend it. Any oil can potentially break down the plastic mould that makes up the cubicles. But if the cube is looked upon as a pure commodity then some might not care the cube will not last long ;-) Any excess lubricant can be wiped off easily with a dry cloth. To remove oilbased lubricants can be a pain. Silicone spray is washed off easily using lukewarm water. When it comes to 4x4x4 cubes, taking them apart for lubing/spraying is a bit more involved. The eastsheens are probably best disassembled like this : Put the cube firmly on a flat surface. Remove the four centercaps of the top layer with a pointed knife. They come off quite easily if u do it correct. Try a few different points/angles until it works. When this is done it's time to unscrew the top "center lock" slightly. It can be taken off if so desired. Now u can spray inside the cube. Do not remove more pieces or lift the cube. If the cube "falls apart" in ur hands it's a pain to assemble it properly :-(. After spraying put back the "centre lock". Tighten the screw again. Put on the center caps. If necessary repeat for more faces. Other 4x4x4 cubes u can remove one or more edgepairs (1 at a time!!) and then spray into the cube. The rubiks.com cube is actually quite strong. The facecenters have a much stronger foot than the old 4x4x4 like Master/Revenge. But best way to remove an edge is to turn a layer so that an edge is right above another edge. Then use a knife to pop the edge out. After spraying the cube turn all layers around several times to make sure the spray spreads "everywhere" inside. When this is done leave the cube for couple of hours to let the silicone dry inside. Hmm .. maybe someone should make lubing videos of the various cubes ?? ;-) -Per K > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > recommend it? > > Thanks for your help > Austin

?!?! also, my f2l with working corner takes me about 40 - 60 seconds!!. ARe there anyways to speed myself up. Without learning the fridrich method as there are waaaay to many algortihms.

I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and this is my newest. It is similar to something I've tried in the past. I call this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain the reasoning for name some other time. Here is the description: Step1: Cross (intuitive) Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost annoying (for me). With some practice and learning a few tricks I believe it is possible to get this step under control. I've also thought of combining Step3&Step4, as step4 involves so little effort it should hardly be counted as a step. The 'Intermediate Solution' involves learning only 21 algorithms. (Averages under 70 turns) I am currently averaging under 35 seconds with this new method, and have not learned all the intermediate solution yet. I have to go now. -Richard

http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/Intermediate.html The orient corners algorithm [C] U2 [Ci] does not seem to work for me, i've tried many many times, and no i did not peel the stickers off my cube.. does anyone know what its meant to be?!

the picture is wrong...it appears that the right algorithm is being given for an inaccurate picture, though I may be wrong. -K- --- donutflask <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/Intermediate.html > > The orient corners algorithm > [C] U2 [Ci] > > does not seem to work for me, i've tried many many > times, and no i > did not peel the stickers off my cube.. > > does anyone know what its meant to be?! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

for the picture given the actual alg is U (C) U2 (Ci) --- donutflask <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/Intermediate.html > > The orient corners algorithm > [C] U2 [Ci] > > does not seem to work for me, i've tried many many > times, and no i > did not peel the stickers off my cube.. > > does anyone know what its meant to be?! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hi, The VH method builds on Fridrich, and therefore requires more algorithms than the usual Fridrich (40 extra COLL and 32 extra edge techniques). So if you don't want to learn Fridrich, then don't worry about VH :) If you want to be better than 40 seconds at the F2L, then simply go really slowly. It's odd, but it will work :) When you become fluent at this this, start speeding up, but not so fast that you start to lose track of pieces or start locking up. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, donutflask <no_reply@y...> wrote: > ?!?! > > also, my f2l with working corner takes me about 40 - 60 seconds!!. > ARe there anyways to speed myself up. Without learning the fridrich > method as there are waaaay to many algortihms.

If you're concerned with algorithms, try doing f2l the petrus way, or intuitively. =K= --- Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > Hi, > > The VH method builds on Fridrich, and therefore > requires more > algorithms than the usual Fridrich (40 extra COLL > and 32 extra edge > techniques). So if you don't want to learn Fridrich, > then don't > worry about VH :) > > If you want to be better than 40 seconds at the F2L, > then simply go > really slowly. It's odd, but it will work :) When > you become fluent > at this this, start speeding up, but not so fast > that you start to > lose track of pieces or start locking up. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > donutflask > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > ?!?! > > > > also, my f2l with working corner takes me about > 40 - 60 > seconds!!. > > ARe there anyways to speed myself up. Without > learning the > fridrich > > method as there are waaaay to many algortihms. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

If you're concerned with algorithms, try doing f2l the petrus way, or intuitively. =K= --- Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > Hi, > > The VH method builds on Fridrich, and therefore > requires more > algorithms than the usual Fridrich (40 extra COLL > and 32 extra edge > techniques). So if you don't want to learn Fridrich, > then don't > worry about VH :) > > If you want to be better than 40 seconds at the F2L, > then simply go > really slowly. It's odd, but it will work :) When > you become fluent > at this this, start speeding up, but not so fast > that you start to > lose track of pieces or start locking up. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > donutflask > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > ?!?! > > > > also, my f2l with working corner takes me about > 40 - 60 > seconds!!. > > ARe there anyways to speed myself up. Without > learning the > fridrich > > method as there are waaaay to many algortihms. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

I first started by just memorizing the algs, without knowing or looking where the pieces were going. But when I started looking at the pieces, I found that the algs were actually logical solutions to relatively simple problems. Maybe you should try this: Don't think of the F2L algorithms as sequences of ± 8 moves, but try to think of them as logical solutions to relatively simple problems. Like Dan says on his website: It's important that you don't just know the moves, but you have to understand what's happening to the pieces. Maybe you should try learning some of the F2L algs that way. I hope it helps ;). Joël --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, donutflask <no_reply@y...> wrote: > ?!?! > > also, my f2l with working corner takes me about 40 - 60 seconds!!. > ARe there anyways to speed myself up. Without learning the fridrich > method as there are waaaay to many algortihms.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Atkinson" <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > Excellent -- I'll do anything I can to help, whatever that may be. > > This idea started when Jess's record for 2000 cubes in 24 hours was > rejected from Guinness, along with his 16.5 something record. We were > talking about just having our own record list, completely ignoring > Guinness. So whoever writest the rules should set the standards for > official record breaking. Hello, While these records were rejected by Guinness, I can tell you that in October, a new record book called "The Book of Alternative Records" will be available in the book stores. I am one of the authors. The book will contain the most world records from http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/rubik.html. For this list and the book, records can be set only at some official event. This has not to be a tournament, it can also be a TV appearance or some show before audience. What we need are standards for inspection time before solving the cube, minimum number of moves to scramble a cube etc. Suggestions are welcome, working together with a new world organization would be a good thing. By the way: In October, we are organizing the Mental Calculation World Cup in Germany (see http://www.recordholders.org/en/events/worldcup04/). Maybe some of the members of this group are interested in this event as well? Best Wishes, Ralf

I think I've written a good set of standards for inspection and solving the cube so far for 3x3x3. You can see what I've done so far here: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/us2004/rules.htm Not everything is complete yet and of course, the rules for the other puzzles are still not written. I will get to that after June 11. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 1, 2004, at 6:13 AM, ralf_laue wrote: > > For this list and the book, records can be set only at some official > event. This has not to be a tournament, it can also be a TV appearance > or some show before audience. > What we need are standards for inspection time before solving the > cube, minimum number of moves to scramble a cube etc. Suggestions are > welcome, working together with a new world organization would be a > good thing. >

i think I realize why this wasn't an active topic before. tyson has done A LOT of work on rules and we tend to re ask a lot of questions that he has to take time to answer over and over again (due to scheduling and not stupidity, if anything we have what I can characterize as a genuine inquisitive nature about the happenings in our community, which is GOOD!) However, putting extraneous stresses on any one person (whether taken upon him/herself by that person or not) is not good. So may I, if this is not too much to ask, restrict this discussion to items of the proposed world organization's possible agenda outside that of the finalization of contest rules? -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > I think I've written a good set of standards for > inspection and solving > the cube so far for 3x3x3. You can see what I've > done so far here: > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/us2004/rules.htm > > Not everything is complete yet and of course, the > rules for the other > puzzles are still not written. I will get to that > after June 11. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 1, 2004, at 6:13 AM, ralf_laue wrote: > > > > > For this list and the book, records can be set > only at some official > > event. This has not to be a tournament, it can > also be a TV appearance > > or some show before audience. > > What we need are standards for inspection time > before solving the > > cube, minimum number of moves to scramble a cube > etc. Suggestions are > > welcome, working together with a new world > organization would be a > > good thing. > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

how about the Euro? can guiness records be set there?

Guinness is being very stupid. Guinness will probably not be accepting records at either place which really reinforces the fact that Guinness is a joke and should not be the authority on our records. The WRCA will accept the records at the Euro championships. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 1, 2004, at 12:21 PM, brokulo wrote: > how about the Euro? can guiness records be set there? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

thanks, guys, for all your help. I just have one question- i have never seen an Eastsheen cube. where could i possibly get one? Austin --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > Hey! > > In my opinion one can't spray a 3x3x3 cube too much. But remember to > use only high quality silicon spray. Personally i have good > experience with Chesterton silicon spray, but i guess most brands > work very well. There has been suggested and used many other > lubricants for the cube. Some i think u should not use are : oilbased > sprays like WD40. The cube will be smooth initially. But after a > while the cube goes real stiff :-( I have seen here in this group > that some use olive oil. I don't recommend it. Any oil can > potentially break down the plastic mould that makes up the cubicles. > But if the cube is looked upon as a pure commodity then some might > not care the cube will not last long ;-) Any excess lubricant can be > wiped off easily with a dry cloth. To remove oilbased lubricants can > be a pain. Silicone spray is washed off easily using lukewarm water. > > When it comes to 4x4x4 cubes, taking them apart for lubing/spraying > is a bit more involved. The eastsheens are probably best disassembled > like this : > > Put the cube firmly on a flat surface. Remove the four centercaps of > the top layer with a pointed knife. They come off quite easily if u > do it correct. Try a few different points/angles until it works. When > this is done it's time to unscrew the top "center lock" slightly. It > can be taken off if so desired. Now u can spray inside the cube. Do > not remove more pieces or lift the cube. If the cube "falls apart" in > ur hands it's a pain to assemble it properly :-(. After spraying put > back the "centre lock". Tighten the screw again. Put on the center > caps. If necessary repeat for more faces. > > Other 4x4x4 cubes u can remove one or more edgepairs (1 at a time!!) > and then spray into the cube. The rubiks.com cube is actually quite > strong. The facecenters have a much stronger foot than the old 4x4x4 > like Master/Revenge. But best way to remove an edge is to turn a > layer so that an edge is right above another edge. Then use a knife > to pop the edge out. > > After spraying the cube turn all layers around several times to make > sure the spray spreads "everywhere" inside. When this is done leave > the cube for couple of hours to let the silicone dry inside. > > Hmm .. maybe someone should make lubing videos of the various > cubes ?? ;-) > > -Per K > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > > recommend it? > > > > Thanks for your help > > Austin

Hi Brent, I'm not ron, macky, or frank, nor am I a sub-20 cuber, but I've noticed myself when I solve in fast and not so fast times. The times when I do the best I'm in a what I call a 'tense' mood. I usually sit while I cube, and I found that sitting up leads to better results than slouching back (which I thought would lead to me being more relaxed and hence faster, but that's not the case). That may seem like an obvious thing, but in fact everything has to be like that, every aspect of your mood/position (body/mind) has to be saying "READY!" because that's when you are best able to focus and look ahead (and actually find useful information). Usually being tense is something we label as negative, but it has some positive side effects that can enhance solving times. Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@...> wrote: hi... ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub-20ers, (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub-20s or is it tense and fully-focused? -bm :) --Brent - hmmm... forbidden donut - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Hello everybody, I think this method, mentioned a few weeks ago, includes some interesting ideas: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "brokulo" <brokulo@y...> wrote: > my perfect method (5looks) :) > Xcross 10.5moves > 2F2Lpairs 2x7 > 4th pair+OC 8 > CP+EP&O 12 > total:44.5 > > -forget 1212 this is the ultimate aim hehe > -the 4th pair has too many cases, but its easy to reduce them to 1/4 > with a little trick, making this method have a bit less algs then ZB So, what is the trick to reduce the number of algorithms for the 4th pair so much?! I too think that the ZB method requires way many algorithms for my brain to handle, and that with a bit of thought and inventiveness we can come up with something that's not only easier to learn but also more efficient. Basically I've been working in the same direction mentioned here...how to solve the last layer along with the last corner edge pair with only 2 looks (and preferably with less algorithms than what the ZB method asks for). For these two steps, I've looked along the lines of soving all the corners first (5 corners to solve, less than 100 algorithms if you use a few 'tricks'), followed by solving all 5 edges (not so pretty, even using a few 'tricks' here I'd guess there's atleast 200 algorithms, and you'd be spending over 14 moves on this step on average)....and oh, all my algorithm counts include inverses and mirrors. so a solution using this idea would look like: 1) xcross 2)corner-edge pair for F2L 3)'nother corner-edge pair 4) all remaining 5 corners 5) last 5 edges Or possibly, you might think of taking one step back and seeing if you could solve the last layer along with the last 2 corner-edge pairs in 3 looks (still resulting in a 5 look solution...as long as you can do an extended cross). In doing that second to last corner- edge pair you could twist one of the remaining 5 corners...reducing the number of possible Corner Orientations that you'd have to deal with later. This might result in (which is a lot like the method quoted from brokulo's message): 1) xcross 2)Corner-edge pair for F2L 3)Next corner-edge pair + orient one of the 5 remaining corners 4)Last corner-edge pair + orient the LL corners 5)LL edge orinetation + permute LL But I still don't think the help from step 3) will reduce the number of cases for step 4) to make this method resonable....so again, what's your trick brokulo? I've also tried to build a 4-look method that doesn't have anything terribly complicated as it's first step (one whole face, or a double extended cross is a little unreasonable I think) but then also have 3 proceeding steps that each require less that 200 algorithms....I think this is possible. Again, I think a few less obvious 'tricks' must be used, but these tricks will take less time that adding a whole 'nother look and settling for a 5-look method. A stab that I've taken at this looks like: 1)solve a 1x2x3, Gilles Roux knows what I'm talking about. I'd consider this 1x2x3 to be part of the 'bottom face.' 2)all 4 middle layer edges + centers done correctly (not as hard of a step as it may seem...easily less then a 100 situations to look at if you break it down in a certain way 3)the 5 remaining corners (ugly...even if you get a little help from step 2, this might require around 350 algorithms) 4)the 5 remaining edges, 4 from the LL along with the one that you could consider missing from the 1x2x3 (also not too much fun...probably over 200 algorithms, even with 'tricks') any other wild ideas? Happy cubing, Jake E. ps. does anyone happen to know how Zbigniew Zborowski manages to solve the F2L in under 19 moves on average? Does he approach it the same way ryan heise does? Is he only using the 15 seconds for inspection, and are his hands traveling at full speed while solving?

I am disappointed that my post generated no interest. As with all new ideas, I enjoy feedback. We once carried on a topic that had over a dozen replys, and it was about cubing while you're driving. I'm sure everyone will listen when I am sub20 with this method. Until then, drive safely with your cubes. -Richard --- richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and > this is my > newest. It is similar to something I've tried in > the past. I call > this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain > the reasoning for > name some other time. Here is the description: > > Step1: Cross (intuitive) > Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) > Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) > Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) > Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) > Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) > > Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost annoying > (for me). With > some practice and learning a few tricks I believe it > is possible to > get this step under control. I've also thought of > combining > Step3&Step4, as step4 involves so little effort it > should hardly be > counted as a step. The 'Intermediate Solution' > involves learning > only 21 algorithms. (Averages under 70 turns) I am > currently > averaging under 35 seconds with this new method, and > have not > learned all the intermediate solution yet. I have > to go now. > -Richard > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

A couple of questions about the method In step 4, place corner, does that mean place the first layer corner? Or twist U so that the corner of the 2x2x1 is in the correct spot? And in step 6, how can it only be 11 algs when PLL alone, not including the edges, is 21? Is it a typo, or is it done in different steps? Or do I just not understand? Also, do you have the algs needed posted somewhere? Evan -----Original Message----- From: Richard Patterson [mailto:richy_jr_2000@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:01 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Method I am disappointed that my post generated no interest. As with all new ideas, I enjoy feedback. We once carried on a topic that had over a dozen replys, and it was about cubing while you're driving. I'm sure everyone will listen when I am sub20 with this method. Until then, drive safely with your cubes. -Richard --- richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and > this is my > newest. It is similar to something I've tried in > the past. I call > this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain > the reasoning for > name some other time. Here is the description: > > Step1: Cross (intuitive) > Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) > Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) > Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) > Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) > Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) > > Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost annoying > (for me). With > some practice and learning a few tricks I believe it > is possible to > get this step under control. I've also thought of > combining > Step3&Step4, as step4 involves so little effort it > should hardly be > counted as a step. The 'Intermediate Solution' > involves learning > only 21 algorithms. (Averages under 70 turns) I am > currently > averaging under 35 seconds with this new method, and > have not > learned all the intermediate solution yet. I have > to go now. > -Richard > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12927fdo9/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086231674/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=246184562> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > A couple of questions about the method > > > > In step 4, place corner, does that mean place the > first layer corner? Or > twist U so that the corner of the 2x2x1 is in the > correct spot? This means to place the corner in the first layer correctly. This step is too easy, making it *almost* shameful to count as a step by itself. > And in step 6, how can it only be 11 algs when PLL > alone, not including the > edges, is 21? Is it a typo, or is it done in > different steps? Or do I just > not understand? When you build your 2x2x1 block (step3), you place the three pieces involved correctly. This limits the possible permutations to 5. Last Step= 6 situations where edges are incorrectly flipped 5 situations where edges are correctly flipped > > Also, do you have the algs needed posted somewhere? Kyle Bryant has been awesome enough to help me generate algs for my method. I haven't posted anything, although I plan to post my intermediate solution very soon. I just want to make sure there are no errors in the 'rough draft' I have typed up. Thankyou for the response! :) -Richard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Patterson > [mailto:richy_jr_2000@...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:01 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Method > > > > I am disappointed that my post generated no > interest. > As with all new ideas, I enjoy feedback. We once > carried on a topic that had over a dozen replys, and > it was about cubing while you're driving. I'm sure > everyone will listen when I am sub20 with this > method. > Until then, drive safely with your cubes. > -Richard > --- richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and > > this is my > > newest. It is similar to something I've tried in > > the past. I call > > this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain > > the reasoning for > > name some other time. Here is the description: > > > > Step1: Cross (intuitive) > > Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) > > Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) > > Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) > > Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) > > Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) > > > > Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost > annoying > > (for me). With > > some practice and learning a few tricks I believe > it > > is possible to > > get this step under control. I've also thought of > > combining > > Step3&Step4, as step4 involves so little effort it > > should hardly be > > counted as a step. The 'Intermediate Solution' > > involves learning > > only 21 algorithms. (Averages under 70 turns) I > am > > currently > > averaging under 35 seconds with this new method, > and > > have not > > learned all the intermediate solution yet. I have > > to go now. > > -Richard > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12927fdo9/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086231674/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=246184562> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

> > ps. does anyone happen to know how Zbigniew Zborowski manages to > solve the F2L in under 19 moves on average? I think he means all but the last pair.

Hey everyone, Anyways, yesterday I was at Santa Monica Beach yesterday. And they were having this kind of talent show thing, and they saw that I could solve a cube. So, they decided to make me enter. After I showed them how to solve a cube, they wanted me to make a DVD or CD-R type thing that has cube-related stuff. So I am asking some pretty famous or crazy cubers whether they can be interviewed by me. Please email or IM me. Thanks!~ ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph AIM:AZINJ05IEIPIH

im not so famous, and maybe not too crazy, but i will be interviewed if you want. Frank Morris fmorris825@... azinj05ieipih <azinj05ieipih@...> wrote: Hey everyone, Anyways, yesterday I was at Santa Monica Beach yesterday. And they were having this kind of talent show thing, and they saw that I could solve a cube. So, they decided to make me enter. After I showed them how to solve a cube, they wanted me to make a DVD or CD-R type thing that has cube-related stuff. So I am asking some pretty famous or crazy cubers whether they can be interviewed by me. Please email or IM me. Thanks!~ ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph AIM:AZINJ05IEIPIH Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@...> wrote: hi... ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub-20ers, (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub-20s or is it tense and fully-focused? -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Brent, I get my best times when I am relaxed. When I am tensed up, I get a ridiculous number of lock ups and piece pops. I am still very focused, but loose and relaxed. Frank --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous. But my cube robot is crazy. You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos. It solves in about 15 seconds now on average. Evan -----Original Message----- From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:12 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] ~Interviews with Cubers~ Hey everyone, Anyways, yesterday I was at Santa Monica Beach yesterday. And they were having this kind of talent show thing, and they saw that I could solve a cube. So, they decided to make me enter. After I showed them how to solve a cube, they wanted me to make a DVD or CD-R type thing that has cube-related stuff. So I am asking some pretty famous or crazy cubers whether they can be interviewed by me. Please email or IM me. Thanks!~ ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph AIM:AZINJ05IEIPIH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129qk2ccj/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086236006/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=147559078> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What kind of DVD are they asking you to put together? Do you have the name of this company? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 1, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > Hey, > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous.  But my cube robot is > crazy. > You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos.  It > solves > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > Evan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > Hey, > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous. But my cube robot is crazy. > You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos. It solves > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > Evan I'm not making a DVD, but I'd love to see some robot solution vids! Daniel

Whee! Enjoy. http://www.henage.net/dan/cube/caltechspring.htm Evan can tell you more about it. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 1, 2004, at 9:48 PM, Daniel Hayes wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > Hey, > > > >  > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous.  But my cube robot is > crazy. > > You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos.  > It solves > > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > >  > > > > Evan > > I'm not making a DVD, but I'd love to see some robot solution vids! > > Daniel > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

I retired my 5x5, 4x4, pyraminx, and one handed 3x3 yesterday to my display collection. Now to rebuild my empire... -K- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > ps. does anyone happen to know how Zbigniew Zborowski manages to > > solve the F2L in under 19 moves on average? > > I think he means all but the last pair. right, my mistake, but that's still impressive. I'd guess that solving the F2L minus one pair by doing 'cross, pair, pair, pair' would take atleast 21 moves on average. And even if someone could consistently solve an extended cross (cross + first pair) in 10 moves than the next two pairs would have to average less than 5 moves each for them to do what ZZ does......or am I missing something here? I would never consider myself to be an expert of the F2L!

I was fooling around with the method, trying some stuff out, and noticed a few things. When you make the 2x2x1 block, if u treat like a f2l pair, and actualy put it in the empty slot, its much easier, at least for me. Then when you put the corner in, you can make sure that the pair comes out correctly oriented. And when it comes to inserting the last f2l edge and orienting the corners, just an idea, what if you orient the edges instead. At least two edges are oriented because of the 2x2x1 (although the other oriented edge might be in the slot). Im not sure how many algs you would then need to orient the remainign three corners and permute all. Just thought it might make it slightly easier or reduce number of algs. I havent done any calculations or antyhing to see though, it was just a thought. Evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > A couple of questions about the method > > > > > > > > In step 4, place corner, does that mean place the > > first layer corner? Or > > twist U so that the corner of the 2x2x1 is in the > > correct spot? > > This means to place the corner in the first layer > correctly. This step is too easy, making it *almost* > shameful to count as a step by itself. > > > > And in step 6, how can it only be 11 algs when PLL > > alone, not including the > > edges, is 21? Is it a typo, or is it done in > > different steps? Or do I just > > not understand? > > When you build your 2x2x1 block (step3), you place the > three pieces involved correctly. This limits the > possible permutations to 5. > > Last Step= > 6 situations where edges are incorrectly flipped > 5 situations where edges are correctly flipped > > > > > Also, do you have the algs needed posted somewhere? > > Kyle Bryant has been awesome enough to help me > generate algs for my method. I haven't posted > anything, although I plan to post my intermediate > solution very soon. I just want to make sure there > are no errors in the 'rough draft' I have typed up. > > Thankyou for the response! :) > -Richard > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Patterson > > [mailto:richy_jr_2000@y...] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:01 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] New Method > > > > > > > > I am disappointed that my post generated no > > interest. > > As with all new ideas, I enjoy feedback. We once > > carried on a topic that had over a dozen replys, and > > it was about cubing while you're driving. I'm sure > > everyone will listen when I am sub20 with this > > method. > > Until then, drive safely with your cubes. > > -Richard > > --- richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > > > I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and > > > this is my > > > newest. It is similar to something I've tried in > > > the past. I call > > > this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain > > > the reasoning for > > > name some other time. Here is the description: > > > > > > Step1: Cross (intuitive) > > > Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) > > > Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) > > > Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) > > > Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) > > > Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) > > > > > > Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost > > annoying > > > (for me). With > > > some practice and learning a few tricks I believe > > it > > > is possible to > > > get this step under control. 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I decided to give myself another average to go by today...so i did a run of 12...here are the times... 60.67, 54.70, 56.96, 56.62, 47.22, 70.07, 56.76, 50.92, 51.70, (38.05), 54.98, (72.18) => 56.06 I had two terrible times, both because i messed up at one point and had to go back and fix the errors...so, according to this, i can get sub minute times consistently...im just patting myself on the back ^_^.

Hi friends, I think the best mood depends a lot on your style. I cube faster when I am concentrated and my hands and head are fully relaxed. In that mood I can tell what my times are without watching the clock (0.5 second accuracy). When my hands are not relaxed I set bad times, even when I think that I set a good time. My worst times are set when I am eager to set a good time. So in front of people I always say that I will set a time of 17 seconds, which is a good target going "slowly", and I often solve in a fluent 15-16 seconds. I use some simple tricks (like washing my eyes with cold water, and visualizing myself solving a cube with random cases for the steps) to get into the best mood. One lesson Guus (WC 1982 runner-up) taught me, was to convert the "negative" energy from adrenaline into positive energy to set a good performance. Unfortunately this hasn't worked for me in competitions yet. :-( But it will work for Euro 2004! Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul" <topgunryu@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] sub-20 HELP!? > Hi Brent, > > I'm not ron, macky, or frank, nor am I a sub-20 cuber, but I've noticed myself when I solve in fast and not so fast times. The times when I do the best I'm in a what I call a 'tense' mood. I usually sit while I cube, and I found that sitting up leads to better results than slouching back (which I thought would lead to me being more relaxed and hence faster, but that's not the case). That may seem like an obvious thing, but in fact everything has to be like that, every aspect of your mood/position (body/mind) has to be saying "READY!" because that's when you are best able to focus and look ahead (and actually find useful information). Usually being tense is something we label as negative, but it has some positive side effects that can enhance solving times. > > > > Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@...> wrote: > > hi... > ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub-20ers, (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub-20s or is it tense and fully-focused? > -bm > > > > > :) > --Brent > > - hmmm... forbidden donut - > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I'm going to be needing some good stickers. I think Ton is saving his Rubik's Studio ones, so is there anywhere else I can get them? I may buy a new rubiks.com cube - I've inspired a few people to buy some and I think they make them better these days... they turn really well when new! (I never had such luck after 3 cubes, but that was over a year ago :-/ ) Thanks, Lou Clifton

The Rubiks.com cubes really are made differently now! Like I said in the post above, I've bought 3 of these before and they didn't turn well. But then I felt some new ones and they were great. So finally I bought my fourth rubiks.com cube and sure enough it is better than my year-old, broken-in, lubed-up one from a year before! I checked out the corner pieces and they seem to be slightly different on the inside from the 2 different cubes. This cube turns BEAUTIFULLY right out of the box. There is seriously no need to lube it no matter how week your fingers are :). (Yes, finger tricks are easy as hell with no lube, right out of the box). Anyone else notice this? :D

Hi Richard, I really like your idea of making a 1x1x2 on the LL, and decided to expand on this approach a little bit. I practiced making the 1x1x2 for about 20 min, and managed to average about 3 seconds. After this, if we can somehow solve the last c-e pair without breaking the 1x1x2, we can use Mirek Goljan's algorithms for solving the last layer in one step when there is a corner and two adjacent edges are correct (58 patterns) as the last step. http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/L1/ece.htm These are the number of moves then for each step: 1. Cross: 7 2. F2lx3: 21 3. 1x2x2: 9 4. Last slot: ? 5. LL with 1x1x2: i'm guessing around 14 moves If step 4 takes 9 moves, then the avg moves for total comes out to be 60. Also, I've tried the last step with the algs printed in front of me, and the recognition is not too hard. Without step 4, this system actually has less algorithms to memorize than Fridrich Method. Considering that step 1-4 can be done almost without a stop, I think there's a good possibility of producing fast times with this method. =D Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@y...> wrote: > I'm constantly trying to work out *new* ideas, and this is my > newest. It is similar to something I've tried in the past. I call > this method the TriadTram Method, and will explain the reasoning for > name some other time. Here is the description: > > Step1: Cross (intuitive) > Step2: 3 C/e pairs (intuitive) > Step3: 2x2x1 in LL (intuitive) > Step4: Place Corner(non trivial) > Step5: Place Edge+Orient Corners (50 algs) > Step6: Orient Edges+Permute All (11 algs) > > Step3 is agreeably quite tricky, and almost annoying (for me). With > some practice and learning a few tricks I believe it is possible to > get this step under control. I've also thought of combining > Step3&Step4, as step4 involves so little effort it should hardly be > counted as a step. The 'Intermediate Solution' involves learning > only 21 algorithms. (Averages under 70 turns) I am currently > averaging under 35 seconds with this new method, and have not > learned all the intermediate solution yet. I have to go now. > -Richard

Hey Evan, Yeah, I am going to interview you, but not around this time, I'll start doing the interviews over the summer. :) ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > Hey, > > > > > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous. But my cube robot is > crazy. > > You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos. > It solves > > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > > > > > Evan > > I'm not making a DVD, but I'd love to see some robot solution vids! > > Daniel

Hey Tyson, It isn't really a DVD, it is actually a CD-R. Lot of the stores from Santa Monica Beach wanted me to make one. So yeah, there isn't a specific company, and Frank Morris, I will interview after school is out. ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > What kind of DVD are they asking you to put together? > > Do you have the name of this company? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 1, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous.  But my cube robot is > > crazy. > > You can interview me or I can just send you pictures and videos.  It > > solves > > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > >

feel free to interview me if you want ;) -K- --- azinj05ieipih <azinj05ieipih@...> wrote: > Hey Evan, > Yeah, I am going to interview you, but not around > this time, I'll > start doing the interviews over the summer. :) > > ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Daniel Hayes" > <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Evan Gates" > > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous. > But my cube robot > is > > crazy. > > > You can interview me or I can just send you > pictures and videos. > > It solves > > > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > I'm not making a DVD, but I'd love to see some > robot solution vids! > > > > Daniel > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Can't you buy stickers from www.rubiks.com? Oh.. and sign up for the tournament! :-) Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 2, 2004, at 1:54 PM, yodamunkey1 wrote: > I'm going to be needing some good stickers. I think Ton is saving his > Rubik's Studio ones, so is there anywhere else I can get them? > > I may buy a new rubiks.com cube - I've inspired a few people to buy > some and I think they make them better these days... they turn really > well when new! (I never had such luck after 3 cubes, but that was over > a year ago :-/ ) > > Thanks, > > Lou Clifton > > >

I been trying to solve my cube for weeks now but no luck. I can do the cross but I can't seem to do the middle edges. I try to follow step by step instruction on websites but I can't seem to follow it. Any tips or suggestion?

yea me too... even though im 1000 miles away Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote:feel free to interview me if you want ;) -K- --- azinj05ieipih <azinj05ieipih@...> wrote: > Hey Evan, > Yeah, I am going to interview you, but not around > this time, I'll > start doing the interviews over the summer. :) > > ~AZINJ05IEIPIH aka Joseph > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Daniel Hayes" > <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Evan Gates" > > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not crazy, and I'm definitely not famous. > But my cube robot > is > > crazy. > > > You can interview me or I can just send you > pictures and videos. > > It solves > > > in about 15 seconds now on average. > > > > > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > I'm not making a DVD, but I'd love to see some > robot solution vids! > > > > Daniel > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why buy more crappy stickers? haha. Also the shipping there is a flat rate. So if you buy 2 dollar stickers that weigh about 0 pounds and 0 ounces you pay 8 dollars for shipping! If no one sells them I guess I'll have to make my own like the french guy who washes his cubes in soapy water... he gives them baths! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Can't you buy stickers from www.rubiks.com? > > Oh.. and sign up for the tournament! :-) > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ayutada2005" <foods010@h...> wrote: > I been trying to solve my cube for weeks now but no luck. I can do > the cross but I can't seem to do the middle edges. I try to follow > step by step instruction on websites but I can't seem to follow it. > Any tips or suggestion? Try an easier solution beforehand, get used into how pieces move and what slice you can move without breaken what you did. Try doing 1 face at first, fill up the middle edge. As soon as you "get it" it'll go much better, dont try to go on speedcubing that fast.

The stickers now are better. They don't have the plastic film. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 2, 2004, at 8:26 PM, yodamunkey1 wrote: > Why buy more crappy stickers? haha. > > Also the shipping there is a flat rate. So if you buy 2 dollar > stickers that weigh about 0 pounds and 0 ounces you pay 8 dollars for > shipping! > > If no one sells them I guess I'll have to make my own like the french > guy who washes his cubes in soapy water... he gives them baths! > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Can't you buy stickers from www.rubiks.com? > > > > Oh.. and sign up for the tournament!  :-) > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Hey all, A funny cube related story I have for you: So I decided it's time to get my oil changed in my car, and being the descriminating consumer I am I drop it off at wal-mart to do their $20 plug and chug service, no frills. The day before, I had recieved my very first Alexanders' Star puzzle, which I had brought with me to work on while waiting for other various things I was out and about doing. I decided not to take it into wal-mart with me though while they changed my oil, so I left it in the cup holder, completely solved. Well I got back into the car about an hour later and there was a fresh quart of oil in a bag in my driver's seat waiting for me. I thought this odd as wal-mart has never left me oil before, and I sure as heck didn't pay for any extra oil. I pondered this during the drive home. Then as I start to climb the stairs to my apartment carrying the alexander's star, I go to scramble it when I realize, IT'S ALREADY (slightly) SCRAMBLED! So my theory is as follows: The wal-mart techs got a little bored waiting for the oil to drain, they notice the puzzle in seemingly random array (though in fact solved) and think "Hey, I've never seen anything quite like that!" They pick it up and give it a twist or two. Then they think "Oh crap. I don't remember what I did. I hope it wasn't in any special kind of state. Crap crap crap.... maybe if we give him some free oil he won't complain." And nothing was ever said about it again. I sure got a kick out of it when I put 2 and 2 together! Poor guys. And In a similar story, I've decided to become the hit and run cubist! I was in the mall yesterday and browsing a Spencer's Gifts, when my girlfriend noticed on the counter a scrambled rubik's cube. A cursory examination made it clear that no one was in the middle of a solve (or anywhere close) and it was out for the public to play with. So seeing no one at the counter and no one watching (except my girlfriend of course) I solve the cube and put it in a slightly less discrete place on the counter and walk out without a word. I think I need a mask and a cape! Anyone else do things like this? Best to all, Daniel

> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pathfinder_netstorm > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ps. does anyone happen to know how Zbigniew Zborowski manages to > > > solve the F2L in under 19 moves on average? > > > > I think he means all but the last pair. > > right, my mistake, but that's still impressive. I'd guess that > solving the F2L minus one pair by doing 'cross, pair, pair, pair' > would take atleast 21 moves on average. And even if someone could > consistently solve an extended cross (cross + first pair) in 10 moves > than the next two pairs would have to average less than 5 moves each > for them to do what ZZ does......or am I missing something here? I > would never consider myself to be an expert of the F2L! > zz says he first solves the cross and then uses some 'tricks'... but i dont know any details :( tomahawk@...

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ayutada2005" <foods010@h...> wrote: > I been trying to solve my cube for weeks now but no luck. I can do > the cross but I can't seem to do the middle edges. I try to follow > step by step instruction on websites but I can't seem to follow it. > Any tips or suggestion? try this site, should help you get the middle edges. But i'm not sure if this is a good for the other steps as i did not use it after the 2nd layer. http://nerdparadise.com/puzzles/333/ after the 2nd layer i used this: http://jeays.net/rubiks.htm remember these are beginner methods don't expect record sub 20 times.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ayutada2005" <foods010@h...> wrote: > I been trying to solve my cube for weeks now but no luck. I can do > the cross but I can't seem to do the middle edges. I try to follow > step by step instruction on websites but I can't seem to follow it. > Any tips or suggestion? 1. This is the website where I learned my first solution: http://jjorg.chem.unc.edu/personal/monroe/cube/Denny3x3/centeredge/ce nteredge.html. It's not very efficient, but the solution for the middle edges is explained with very understandeble symbols. 2. http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html is another good website for a beginner solution. 3. The diagram's on the website's suggest you should solve the cube with the first layer on top. Ofcourse, that's possible, but if you are planning to go for speed sometimes, I suggest you solve the cross on the bottom (or on the left face), and keep it there. That way, it's easier to execute the moves for the rest of the firs two layers, and it's easier to see where the pieces are going. 3. Don't just memorize the moves, also look where the pieces are going, and how the edge is 'paired-up' with it's corner, and how the corner-edge-pair is inserted into it's correct (solved) position. This way, it's easier to remember the moves. 4. Don't try to solve the cube full-speed, especially when you're a beginner. I fact, I think the best way to get faster is to solve the cube very slowly. I solve the cube in about 25 seconds, but can't improve my times by solving the cube full-speed a 1000 times. Instead, solving the cube very slowly is still one of the things that help me improve my times. 5. http://www2.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~katsu-k/f2l_video/f2l_a1_fast.asf. This is a video of someone solving a middle layer edge. It's a bit fast, but good enough to see where the pieces are going, and to see how to do the moves. Good luck, Joël van Noort

Yeah, I did something similar last year. In some big store I asked the guy working in the toy section if they had the Rubik's cube or similar puzzles. He said "no". But then I looked anyway and easily found a few and also keychains and 2x2 I think. Damn liar! Then I saw a scrambled cube on a counter and nobody around. So I solved it and walked away. And recently during a big dinner for a programming contest a friend had a cube as well, and when his team was out of the room to get some food I took it, solved it and made the checkerboard pattern. I don't think he noticed, though. Plus he can solve the cube anyway. Cheers! Stefan > And In a similar story, I've decided to become the hit and run > cubist! I was in the mall yesterday and browsing a Spencer's Gifts, > when my girlfriend noticed on the counter a scrambled rubik's cube. > A cursory examination made it clear that no one was in the middle of > a solve (or anywhere close) and it was out for the public to play > with. So seeing no one at the counter and no one watching (except my > girlfriend of course) I solve the cube and put it in a slightly less > discrete place on the counter and walk out without a word. I think I > need a mask and a cape! Anyone else do things like this? > > Best to all, > Daniel

Another suggestion for a beginners solution: Learn the Petrus method (lar5.com/cube/); one of the reasons I suggest this is that it requires only that you learn three (3) algorithms (edge flipper, Niklas and Sune), which means that with relatively little work you can solve the cube (and get a feeling of acomplishment) while steadily learning more about how the cube works (gettin' faster). Another pro is that it can be expanded according to your ambition and need for speed, by learning more algorithms and specific cases. If you're really ambitious (or really in love with the method), you could learn 177 algs, which allow to comlete the LL in one step (edges are already oriented), averaging 12.08 moves (see http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/); that plus my estimate of 4.5 moves for Orient Edges gives LL: 16.58, this is faster than the Fridrich Method (LL: approx 21). Which is well over a second saved. Take that, cookie-cutter Fridrich users ;) Jonas K�lker ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

I haven't had the luxury of trying the original cubes or any of the custom modified speedcubes that some of these guys talk about, but I love them. I just started speedcubing about 6 months ago with the Rubiks.com cubes and I must say they haven't given me a problem. I guess it's a bummer you can't adjust them like the ones with the screws, but like you said, I don't think there is a need. They're already pretty loose and lubing doesn't seem to make any difference with these. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" <lclif@c...> wrote: > The Rubiks.com cubes really are made differently now! Like I said in > the post above, I've bought 3 of these before and they didn't turn > well. But then I felt some new ones and they were great. So finally I > bought my fourth rubiks.com cube and sure enough it is better than my > year-old, broken-in, lubed-up one from a year before! I checked out > the corner pieces and they seem to be slightly different on the inside > from the 2 different cubes. This cube turns BEAUTIFULLY right out of > the box. There is seriously no need to lube it no matter how week your > fingers are :). (Yes, finger tricks are easy as hell with no lube, > right out of the box). > > Anyone else notice this? :D

Haha, yeah, i solve any display cube i can find in puzzle stores. But there was this one time i almost was going to do a sneaky task. I was parked next to a car at walmart and this person left their window down. Inside was a messed up cube. I was going to solve it but then i though against it because, yeah it was inside another persons car. I could have easily snatched it too. THen i got thinking of leaving the web address to this group so he/she could get help if they wanted. But i didn't do that either :( jake --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > Hey all, > A funny cube related story I have for you: > So I decided it's time to get my oil changed in my car, and being the > descriminating consumer I am I drop it off at wal-mart to do their > $20 plug and chug service, no frills. The day before, I had recieved > my very first Alexanders' Star puzzle, which I had brought with me to > work on while waiting for other various things I was out and about > doing. I decided not to take it into wal-mart with me though while > they changed my oil, so I left it in the cup holder, completely > solved. > Well I got back into the car about an hour later and there was a > fresh quart of oil in a bag in my driver's seat waiting for me. I > thought this odd as wal-mart has never left me oil before, and I sure > as heck didn't pay for any extra oil. I pondered this during the > drive home. Then as I start to climb the stairs to my apartment > carrying the alexander's star, I go to scramble it when I realize, > IT'S ALREADY (slightly) SCRAMBLED! So my theory is as follows: The > wal-mart techs got a little bored waiting for the oil to drain, they > notice the puzzle in seemingly random array (though in fact solved) > and think "Hey, I've never seen anything quite like that!" They pick > it up and give it a twist or two. Then they think "Oh crap. I don't > remember what I did. I hope it wasn't in any special kind of state. > Crap crap crap.... maybe if we give him some free oil he won't > complain." And nothing was ever said about it again. > > I sure got a kick out of it when I put 2 and 2 together! Poor guys. > > And In a similar story, I've decided to become the hit and run > cubist! I was in the mall yesterday and browsing a Spencer's Gifts, > when my girlfriend noticed on the counter a scrambled rubik's cube. > A cursory examination made it clear that no one was in the middle of > a solve (or anywhere close) and it was out for the public to play > with. So seeing no one at the counter and no one watching (except my > girlfriend of course) I solve the cube and put it in a slightly less > discrete place on the counter and walk out without a word. I think I > need a mask and a cape! Anyone else do things like this? > > Best to all, > Daniel

Dont make me hurt you, Jonas... The fact is that the petrus method and the fridrich method are equally capable of producing results in terms of solving the cube. Fridrich offers a wonderful base for f2l, if anything, learn both F2L methods and then you will at least have a very good concept of how to look ahead for a 2x2 and a cross, then you can combine that to learn eXtended Cross (cross with one f2l pair, or a 2x2 with legs) Cookie cutter fridrich users? the gradation of methodology among Fridrich users blasts that assertion to nothingness, so bah on you! -K- --- Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@...> wrote: > Another suggestion for a beginners solution: > > Learn the Petrus method (lar5.com/cube/); one of the > reasons I suggest this is that it requires only that > you learn three (3) algorithms (edge flipper, Niklas > and Sune), which means that with relatively little > work you can solve the cube (and get a feeling of > acomplishment) while steadily learning more about > how > the cube works (gettin' faster). > > Another pro is that it can be expanded according to > your ambition and need for speed, by learning more > algorithms and specific cases. If you're really > ambitious (or really in love with the method), you > could learn 177 algs, which allow to comlete the LL > in > one step (edges are already oriented), averaging > 12.08 > moves (see http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/); > that plus my estimate of 4.5 moves for Orient Edges > gives LL: 16.58, this is faster than the Fridrich > Method (LL: approx 21). Which is well over a second > saved. > > Take that, cookie-cutter Fridrich users ;) > > Jonas K���lker > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Jonas, A second faster, yes, but it takes 177 algoritms. That's a little more than I have to memorize for fridrich method. But I do think (intuitively (is that a word? I am not so good with English)) that Lars Petrus way of building the F2L is more efficient than cross + 4 CE pairs, but I think it's also more complex. It's more efficient (I think), because after the 2x2x2 block, there are 3 free faces that can be turned without breaking up the solved part. But to profite from this, some very complex decisions must be made (I don't know if I am right about this, so correct me if I am wrong). But when I am done with learning the 41 OLL algs, I'll maybe try to combine the Fridrich & LP method for the F2L. Greetings, Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Jonas Koelker <jonaskoelker@y...> wrote: > Another suggestion for a beginners solution: > > Learn the Petrus method (lar5.com/cube/); one of the > reasons I suggest this is that it requires only that > you learn three (3) algorithms (edge flipper, Niklas > and Sune), which means that with relatively little > work you can solve the cube (and get a feeling of > acomplishment) while steadily learning more about how > the cube works (gettin' faster). > > Another pro is that it can be expanded according to > your ambition and need for speed, by learning more > algorithms and specific cases. If you're really > ambitious (or really in love with the method), you > could learn 177 algs, which allow to comlete the LL in > one step (edges are already oriented), averaging 12.08 > moves (see http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/); > that plus my estimate of 4.5 moves for Orient Edges > gives LL: 16.58, this is faster than the Fridrich > Method (LL: approx 21). Which is well over a second > saved. > > Take that, cookie-cutter Fridrich users ;) > > Jonas Kölker > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

lol once when i was at this store in the mall, this person was attempting to do the cube, and they left it on the table when a customer came to ask for some help. i went over there (the cube wasn't even close to being solved), quickly did it, put it down, and walked away to where i was before. the person came back and was amazed that the cube was solved. just for kicks, i went and asked them if they knew how to solve it. the person said "oh yea! of course i can solve it. doesn't it look solved?" i couldn't stop laughing on the way home. my mom thought i was crazy. -cubekid Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: Hey all, A funny cube related story I have for you: So I decided it's time to get my oil changed in my car, and being the descriminating consumer I am I drop it off at wal-mart to do their $20 plug and chug service, no frills. The day before, I had recieved my very first Alexanders' Star puzzle, which I had brought with me to work on while waiting for other various things I was out and about doing. I decided not to take it into wal-mart with me though while they changed my oil, so I left it in the cup holder, completely solved. Well I got back into the car about an hour later and there was a fresh quart of oil in a bag in my driver's seat waiting for me. I thought this odd as wal-mart has never left me oil before, and I sure as heck didn't pay for any extra oil. I pondered this during the drive home. Then as I start to climb the stairs to my apartment carrying the alexander's star, I go to scramble it when I realize, IT'S ALREADY (slightly) SCRAMBLED! So my theory is as follows: The wal-mart techs got a little bored waiting for the oil to drain, they notice the puzzle in seemingly random array (though in fact solved) and think "Hey, I've never seen anything quite like that!" They pick it up and give it a twist or two. Then they think "Oh crap. I don't remember what I did. I hope it wasn't in any special kind of state. Crap crap crap.... maybe if we give him some free oil he won't complain." And nothing was ever said about it again. I sure got a kick out of it when I put 2 and 2 together! Poor guys. And In a similar story, I've decided to become the hit and run cubist! I was in the mall yesterday and browsing a Spencer's Gifts, when my girlfriend noticed on the counter a scrambled rubik's cube. A cursory examination made it clear that no one was in the middle of a solve (or anywhere close) and it was out for the public to play with. So seeing no one at the counter and no one watching (except my girlfriend of course) I solve the cube and put it in a slightly less discrete place on the counter and walk out without a word. I think I need a mask and a cape! Anyone else do things like this? Best to all, Daniel Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've had my fair share of laughs. I've been to Six Flags Darien Lake quite a few times, and I love doing public solves there. In line for one of the coasters, I always have the most fun- someone would say, "Hey, I bet you couldn't do that before you get on the ride!" And then I amaze the surrounding ten or so people by solving it before the ride cycles once. (I average a little less than a minute) Then there's a fair amount of swearing and disbelief over it. Then one or two people would ask the stereotypical questions, or say the stereotypical responses: "It was just luck" or "There's a pattern you follow, isn't there?" or "I used to be able to do that" and the like. I've never run into another person who could actually solve the cube in the process though, sadly. ________________________________ From: sapan you [mailto:gotsoup420@...] Sent: Thu 6/3/2004 11:00 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Humorous Anecdote lol once when i was at this store in the mall, this person was attempting to do the cube, and they left it on the table when a customer came to ask for some help. i went over there (the cube wasn't even close to being solved), quickly did it, put it down, and walked away to where i was before. the person came back and was amazed that the cube was solved. just for kicks, i went and asked them if they knew how to solve it. the person said "oh yea! of course i can solve it. doesn't it look solved?" i couldn't stop laughing on the way home. my mom thought i was crazy. -cubekid Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: Hey all, A funny cube related story I have for you: So I decided it's time to get my oil changed in my car, and being the descriminating consumer I am I drop it off at wal-mart to do their $20 plug and chug service, no frills. The day before, I had recieved my very first Alexanders' Star puzzle, which I had brought with me to work on while waiting for other various things I was out and about doing. I decided not to take it into wal-mart with me though while they changed my oil, so I left it in the cup holder, completely solved. Well I got back into the car about an hour later and there was a fresh quart of oil in a bag in my driver's seat waiting for me. I thought this odd as wal-mart has never left me oil before, and I sure as heck didn't pay for any extra oil. I pondered this during the drive home. Then as I start to climb the stairs to my apartment carrying the alexander's star, I go to scramble it when I realize, IT'S ALREADY (slightly) SCRAMBLED! So my theory is as follows: The wal-mart techs got a little bored waiting for the oil to drain, they notice the puzzle in seemingly random array (though in fact solved) and think "Hey, I've never seen anything quite like that!" 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Up until today I have been using Oddzon cubes. I've been purchasing them in a local-ish toy store specializing in puzzles and stuff. Anyhow a week ago I would in 100% honesty tell anyone that the Oddzon cube I held in my hand then was the best speedcube I ever had. Then I bought one of those adjustables you are talking about. There's really no comparing these two, the new one is majestically better. Then again I think maybe the Oddzon cubes I buy at that store may have been stuck in a warehouse for years... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "hovardt" <hovardt@y...> wrote: > > I haven't had the luxury of trying the original cubes or any of the > custom modified speedcubes that some of these guys talk about, but I > love them. I just started speedcubing about 6 months ago with the > Rubiks.com cubes and I must say they haven't given me a problem. I > guess it's a bummer you can't adjust them like the ones with the > screws, but like you said, I don't think there is a need. They're > already pretty loose and lubing doesn't seem to make any difference > with these. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" > <lclif@c...> wrote: > > The Rubiks.com cubes really are made differently now! Like I said in > > the post above, I've bought 3 of these before and they didn't turn > > well. But then I felt some new ones and they were great. So finally > I > > bought my fourth rubiks.com cube and sure enough it is better than > my > > year-old, broken-in, lubed-up one from a year before! I checked out > > the corner pieces and they seem to be slightly different on the > inside > > from the 2 different cubes. This cube turns BEAUTIFULLY right out of > > the box. There is seriously no need to lube it no matter how week > your > > fingers are :). (Yes, finger tricks are easy as hell with no lube, > > right out of the box). > > > > Anyone else notice this? :D

Hey Per, Where do you get that Chesterton stuff? I figure if you can get it, so can I. Personally I use CRC Silicone Spray which I get at Statoil, but if you have a better option I'm happy to switch. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@y...> wrote: > Hey! > > In my opinion one can't spray a 3x3x3 cube too much. But remember to > use only high quality silicon spray. Personally i have good > experience with Chesterton silicon spray, but i guess most brands > work very well. There has been suggested and used many other > lubricants for the cube. Some i think u should not use are : oilbased > sprays like WD40. The cube will be smooth initially. But after a > while the cube goes real stiff :-( I have seen here in this group > that some use olive oil. I don't recommend it. Any oil can > potentially break down the plastic mould that makes up the cubicles. > But if the cube is looked upon as a pure commodity then some might > not care the cube will not last long ;-) Any excess lubricant can be > wiped off easily with a dry cloth. To remove oilbased lubricants can > be a pain. Silicone spray is washed off easily using lukewarm water. > > When it comes to 4x4x4 cubes, taking them apart for lubing/spraying > is a bit more involved. The eastsheens are probably best disassembled > like this : > > Put the cube firmly on a flat surface. Remove the four centercaps of > the top layer with a pointed knife. They come off quite easily if u > do it correct. Try a few different points/angles until it works. When > this is done it's time to unscrew the top "center lock" slightly. It > can be taken off if so desired. Now u can spray inside the cube. Do > not remove more pieces or lift the cube. If the cube "falls apart" in > ur hands it's a pain to assemble it properly :-(. After spraying put > back the "centre lock". Tighten the screw again. Put on the center > caps. If necessary repeat for more faces. > > Other 4x4x4 cubes u can remove one or more edgepairs (1 at a time!!) > and then spray into the cube. The rubiks.com cube is actually quite > strong. The facecenters have a much stronger foot than the old 4x4x4 > like Master/Revenge. But best way to remove an edge is to turn a > layer so that an edge is right above another edge. Then use a knife > to pop the edge out. > > After spraying the cube turn all layers around several times to make > sure the spray spreads "everywhere" inside. When this is done leave > the cube for couple of hours to let the silicone dry inside. > > Hmm .. maybe someone should make lubing videos of the various > cubes ?? ;-) > > -Per K > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have two questions about the looseness/tightness of a cube. > > > > I just got a 3x3x3 that is extremely loose. It pops on the F2L > > every time. The spring can stretch up to 1.5 mm. I am wondering > > if there is a way to tighten it so I don't have to return it. > > > > Also, can 4x4x4's be lubed? I know they pop easily, but would you > > recommend it? > > > > Thanks for your help > > Austin

Hey Ron, Thanks for that usefull tip! When I tried this, I told myself to fully relax, and be satisfied with 28 seconds, wich is very slow for me. The first solve I did this way was sub-20, wich is very fast for me. A few solves later, I broke my record for one solve! Funny to see how big the phsychological factor really is. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <rvb@c...> wrote: > Hi friends, > > I think the best mood depends a lot on your style. > I cube faster when I am concentrated and my hands and head are fully > relaxed. In that mood I can tell what my times are without watching the > clock (0.5 second accuracy). When my hands are not relaxed I set bad times, > even when I think that I set a good time. > > My worst times are set when I am eager to set a good time. So in front of > people I always say that I will set a time of 17 seconds, which is a good > target going "slowly", and I often solve in a fluent 15-16 seconds. > > I use some simple tricks (like washing my eyes with cold water, and > visualizing myself solving a cube with random cases for the steps) to get > into the best mood. > One lesson Guus (WC 1982 runner-up) taught me, was to convert the "negative" > energy from adrenaline into positive energy to set a good performance. > Unfortunately this hasn't worked for me in competitions yet. :-( > But it will work for Euro 2004! > > Have fun, > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raul" <topgunryu@y...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] sub-20 HELP!? > > > > Hi Brent, > > > > I'm not ron, macky, or frank, nor am I a sub-20 cuber, but I've noticed > myself when I solve in fast and not so fast times. The times when I do the > best I'm in a what I call a 'tense' mood. I usually sit while I cube, and I > found that sitting up leads to better results than slouching back (which I > thought would lead to me being more relaxed and hence faster, but that's not > the case). That may seem like an obvious thing, but in fact everything has > to be like that, every aspect of your mood/position (body/mind) has to be > saying "READY!" because that's when you are best able to focus and look > ahead (and actually find useful information). Usually being tense is > something we label as negative, but it has some positive side effects that > can enhance solving times. > > > > > > > > Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > > > hi... > > ok, when im solving, like the fast way... i find myself tense, completely > focused, and trying hard to get fast times...and do ok. but when i > relaxfully do it, its about 2-5 seconds slower. for you other sub- 20ers, > (ron, macky, frank, many others..), do you relaxfully get the sub- 20s or is > it tense and fully-focused? > > -bm > > > > > > > > > > :) > > --Brent > > > > - hmmm... forbidden donut - > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hmmm... makes me think I should try out one of the adjustables then. What should I look for if I can find one? What about Ton's cubes? Looks like he's sold out for now, but should I try to find an original Hungarian on Ebay or something? Wonder what I could do with a real speedcube then... >:/ -H --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Eivind Fonn" <htkra1d@h...> wrote: > Up until today I have been using Oddzon cubes. I've been purchasing > them in a local-ish toy store specializing in puzzles and stuff. > Anyhow a week ago I would in 100% honesty tell anyone that the > Oddzon cube I held in my hand then was the best speedcube I ever > had. Then I bought one of those adjustables you are talking about. > There's really no comparing these two, the new one is majestically > better. Then again I think maybe the Oddzon cubes I buy at that > store may have been stuck in a warehouse for years... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "hovardt" > <hovardt@y...> wrote: > > > > I haven't had the luxury of trying the original cubes or any of > the > > custom modified speedcubes that some of these guys talk about, but > I > > love them. I just started speedcubing about 6 months ago with the > > Rubiks.com cubes and I must say they haven't given me a problem. > I > > guess it's a bummer you can't adjust them like the ones with the > > screws, but like you said, I don't think there is a need. They're > > already pretty loose and lubing doesn't seem to make any > difference > > with these. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" > > <lclif@c...> wrote: > > > The Rubiks.com cubes really are made differently now! Like I > said in > > > the post above, I've bought 3 of these before and they didn't > turn > > > well. But then I felt some new ones and they were great. So > finally > > I > > > bought my fourth rubiks.com cube and sure enough it is better > than > > my > > > year-old, broken-in, lubed-up one from a year before! I checked > out > > > the corner pieces and they seem to be slightly different on the > > inside > > > from the 2 different cubes. This cube turns BEAUTIFULLY right > out of > > > the box. There is seriously no need to lube it no matter how > week > > your > > > fingers are :). (Yes, finger tricks are easy as hell with no > lube, > > > right out of the box). > > > > > > Anyone else notice this? :D

<*snip*> > > Take that, cookie-cutter Fridrich users ;) > > > > Jonas Kölker <*unsnip*> Hehe, thats cute :) jake

Ok, it's online again: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3_single_alg I added a table with the setup algorithms I use now. I'd like to rewrite the page a bit and use a better example solve with applets showing the steps, but that will have to wait a bit. I also made up a new similar method for the second part, i.e. solving the corners. It also solves the corners one at a time. It uses 3+1 algorithms, but the big advantage is that the setup algorithms are just single turns. These are the algs (lower case letter means turn two layers): Bring DLB to UFR: F2 L U2 R B R' U2 L F' L F L F2 (F-2 L U-2) (l U l' U2) (r U' L U L U2) x' Bring DLB to RUF: (L2 U2) (R B' R' U2) (L2 F') (L' F L) (L-2 U-2) (l U' l' U2) (L2 x U') (L' U L x') Bring DLB to FRU: y [mirror of previous case] y' Transition between edges-phase and corners-phase: F2 B2 R L B' L' B R' B2 L B' L' F2 x' D2 U2 R (L U' L' U) (R' U2) (L U' L') D2 x Each alg is given twice, the second version describing how I execute it. To solve a corner (other than DLB which is the buffer corner), put its place to UFR, RUF or FRU with a single turn, then apply the appropriate alg and undo the setup turn. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > > Anyway, I was looking through the message archive for a > one-algorithm > > blindfold solution I remember reading about using (I think) the PLL > > T-permutation. Can anybody point me in the direction of the > original post? > > You probably mean this one: > http://games.groups.yahoo. > com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/9576 > > Unfortunately my webspace provider died and I had to move to another > one so my website is offline right now. But I'll upload it again this > week. I've also improved the system a bit and will update the page > accordingly. > > Cheers! > Stefan

Alright! I learned some new methods and im resubmitting my most systems (un)official world record! Im bumping myself from first place with 7 known methods to first place with 11 known methods Fridrich Method ��� 30.57s; Petrus Method - 1:12.04; Liao/Bryant Ring Method - 1:11.27; Corners First - 2:13.85; Edges First - 1:42.39; Roux Method - 2:23.57; Triad Tram Method - 2:51.42; The Salvia Method ��� 1:25.60, Extended Cross Method ��� 49.82; X on D Method ��� 54.65; Keyhole Method ��� 58.98 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the speedsolvingrubikscube group. File : /CubeTimer.zip Uploaded by : burntbizzkit Description : Java Cube Timer You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/files/CubeTimer.zip To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, burntbizzkit

I have uploaded a cube timer that I wrote in Java in the files section. It generates a 30-move scramble and calculates session average as well as the standard 10-solve average (eliminating the slowest and fastest of 12). It also keeps track of the standard deviation of your times within the current rolling average. I find this very usefull to check the consistancy of my times. You can also save your best average of the session to a text file. The sounds on the countdown are nothing special, you can change them to whatever you want by using your own WAV files. I figured some people here might want to check it out... -Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have uploaded a cube timer that I wrote in Java in the files > section. It generates a 30-move scramble and calculates session > average as well as the standard 10-solve average (eliminating the > slowest and fastest of 12). It also keeps track of the standard > deviation of your times within the current rolling average. I find > this very usefull to check the consistancy of my times. You can also > save your best average of the session to a text file. > > The sounds on the countdown are nothing special, you can change them > to whatever you want by using your own WAV files. I figured some > people here might want to check it out... > > -Chris well, its great...if it would time correctly one second of its time takes like 3 seconds on my computer and i end up with times like 7 seconds

Is there a possibility of anyone hosting this, Im not sure I can... --- Tay Di-Hong <ditrix88@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > burntbizzkit > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I have uploaded a cube timer that I wrote in Java > in the files > > section. It generates a 30-move scramble and > calculates session > > average as well as the standard 10-solve average > (eliminating the > > slowest and fastest of 12). It also keeps track of > the standard > > deviation of your times within the current rolling > average. I find > > this very usefull to check the consistancy of my > times. You can > also > > save your best average of the session to a text > file. > > > > The sounds on the countdown are nothing special, > you can change > them > > to whatever you want by using your own WAV files. > I figured some > > people here might want to check it out... > > > > -Chris > > well, its great...if it would time correctly > one second of its time takes like 3 seconds on my > computer and i end > up with times like 7 seconds > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

try deleting the .wav files. That way there is no sound... i need to work on the sound a bit, and update. That might be your problem... -Chris

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This argument kind of reminds me of another type of argument we had as children. Remember this one: My dad could beat up your dad. No mine would beat up yours. Well, my dad once lifted a 2 ton truck over, and he didn't even have to try that hard. Throw around all the statistics and averages around that you want, but when it comes right down to it overzealous opinions mean nothing. Every method could be great. A vanilla layer method could be great if you felt like learning a ton of algorithms. There are also varying results based on the individual. Recognition of positions, and comfort with transitions play an important role. Oh yeah, I challenge everyone to argue with me, for no reason other than to make waves. There are no superiors here, especially with methods. (although there are exceptions) The best method will be a combination of many. I would not be surprised if someday people would solve the cube fridrichs way, petrus way, or CF way, depending on the situation the cube is in. The idea is to be just a little more open minded. -Richard --- j_rueth <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > <*snip*> > > > Take that, cookie-cutter Fridrich users ;) > > > > > > Jonas K���lker > <*unsnip*> > > Hehe, thats cute :) > > jake > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Which websites should i use to learn this? I solve with the cross on the bottom. And any tips before i begin? I think i will use cubestation as i do not want to memorise too many algorithms, but rather sort of look at the examples , and be able to intuitively solve it. I not gonna bother with the fridrich last layer, instead i'm using dan knights intermediate LL ( 4 look LL).

Wow, amazing! I seem to solve the cube extremely fast when I use your timer... :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, burntbizzkit <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I have uploaded a cube timer that I wrote in Java in the files > section. It generates a 30-move scramble and calculates session > average as well as the standard 10-solve average (eliminating the > slowest and fastest of 12). It also keeps track of the standard > deviation of your times within the current rolling average. I find > this very usefull to check the consistancy of my times. You can also > save your best average of the session to a text file. > > The sounds on the countdown are nothing special, you can change them > to whatever you want by using your own WAV files. I figured some > people here might want to check it out... > > -Chris

I just wrote a paper on learning the Fridrich F2L intuitively, seems to be what you are asking for. It is available here: http://dougreed.no-ip.org/~doug/f2l/f2l.htm Let me know what you think... Feel free to add me to AIM, MSN, or Yahoo if you have any questions or suggestions. Doug donutflask wrote: >Which websites should i use to learn this? I solve with the cross on >the bottom. > >And any tips before i begin? > > I think i will use cubestation as i do not want to memorise too many >algorithms, but rather sort of look at the examples , and be able to >intuitively solve it. > >I not gonna bother with the fridrich last layer, instead i'm using >dan knights intermediate LL ( 4 look LL). > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

> Wow, amazing! I seem to solve the cube extremely fast when I use > your timer... :) I'm glad it helped you achieve faster times :P It's a work in progress, I'm surprised to see that it doesn't time accurately on your computer...I wonder if it is the Java Virtual Machine you are using. I would suggest using Sun's JVM. I was sceptical as to whether I could make an acurate timer as Java is compiled into byte-code which is processes real time during the execution of the program by the Virtual Machine. I don't think it is nearly as efficient as C++, which is compiled into machine code. I just needed it to be cross platform...it works great in both Windows and Linux on my computer. Please let me know if anybody experiences any more problems with the timer, maybe I could actually make it a useful program. thanks. -Chris AIM: burntbizzkit

i had a look at your site, its fine except i think you should include either Applets, or the algorithm to scramble the cube so we can practice your examples.

Hi. I fear that I might sound like a Petrus Pusher, but I have a suggestion. But firstly, I don't know what your excact intentions are for learning the 4-look method. But if you learn it for the low number of algorithms, I'd suggest you look at the Petrus method, from step 3 (which is the same as cross + 2 pairs): http://www.lar5.com/cube/fas3.html. This allows you to cut down the need for algorithms to only 3: a 3-move edge orienter, a 7-move corner permuter (Niklas) and a 7-move corner orient/edge permuter (Sune). Of course you sacrifice speed compared to the Knights Intermediate method, but save on memory. When you wanna learn more algorithms, you could easily add the Permute All set (Knights "level 2") and Orient All (full Fridrich). This is, of course, just my humble opinion. Jonas. PS. On a sidenote: I might have been advertising the Petrus method a bit too agressively, and of course there's no such thing as a perfect method, save calculating God's algorithm in 15 seconds :D hmm... well, I got a few weeks to spare... --- donutflask <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Which websites should i use to learn this? I solve > with the cross on > the bottom. > > And any tips before i begin? > > I think i will use cubestation as i do not want to > memorise too many > algorithms, but rather sort of look at the examples > , and be able to > intuitively solve it. > > I not gonna bother with the fridrich last layer, > instead i'm using > dan knights intermediate LL ( 4 look LL). ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

One time I was at a festival and was getting a bit bored by what was going on at the time. So, I decided to make my own fun. I thought if I bought a crazy harlequin hat (with little bells!) from one of the stalls and then wandered around asking random people to scramble the cube for me to solve, then people would just assume I was part of the festival entertainment! It worked, and it was lots of fun. One very surprising thing though was the number of people who said 'oh no, I don't know how' when I asked them to scramble the cube?? What do they mean they can't *scramble* a cube?? Everyone can mess it up, it's just the solving that takes some skill!! Jasmine. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@h...> wrote: > Hey all, > A funny cube related story I have for you: > So I decided it's time to get my oil changed in my car, and being the > descriminating consumer I am I drop it off at wal-mart to do their > $20 plug and chug service, no frills. The day before, I had recieved > my very first Alexanders' Star puzzle, which I had brought with me to > work on while waiting for other various things I was out and about > doing. I decided not to take it into wal-mart with me though while > they changed my oil, so I left it in the cup holder, completely > solved. > Well I got back into the car about an hour later and there was a > fresh quart of oil in a bag in my driver's seat waiting for me. I > thought this odd as wal-mart has never left me oil before, and I sure > as heck didn't pay for any extra oil. I pondered this during the > drive home. Then as I start to climb the stairs to my apartment > carrying the alexander's star, I go to scramble it when I realize, > IT'S ALREADY (slightly) SCRAMBLED! So my theory is as follows: The > wal-mart techs got a little bored waiting for the oil to drain, they > notice the puzzle in seemingly random array (though in fact solved) > and think "Hey, I've never seen anything quite like that!" They pick > it up and give it a twist or two. Then they think "Oh crap. I don't > remember what I did. I hope it wasn't in any special kind of state. > Crap crap crap.... maybe if we give him some free oil he won't > complain." And nothing was ever said about it again. > > I sure got a kick out of it when I put 2 and 2 together! Poor guys. > > And In a similar story, I've decided to become the hit and run > cubist! I was in the mall yesterday and browsing a Spencer's Gifts, > when my girlfriend noticed on the counter a scrambled rubik's cube. > A cursory examination made it clear that no one was in the middle of > a solve (or anywhere close) and it was out for the public to play > with. So seeing no one at the counter and no one watching (except my > girlfriend of course) I solve the cube and put it in a slightly less > discrete place on the counter and walk out without a word. I think I > need a mask and a cape! Anyone else do things like this? > > Best to all, > Daniel

Hi O2 the mobile phone company are having a party in Soho, London on Wednesday. Is there anyone in the UK who would like to come and show off some speedcubing (it should be a good party and lots of fun) ? Thanks (e-mail me direct - davej@...) Dave -----Original Message----- From: adam_s_ [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: 29 April 2004 16:16 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Pops during a competition Some solving techniques end with two twisted edges across from each other on one face. That would look solved even though you should have one more algorithm! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Realistically, an edge pop shouldn't matter. Either it's put in > right, or wrong. If it's right, then yay. If not, then there should > be exactly ONE EDGE that is not oriented correctly at the end. This > should be counted as a true solve then assuming the cube was correct > to begin with. Yahoo! Groups Links ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Hey everyone, I'm at work now ( :-D ) so this will have to be short. How about we compile all these funny cube anecdotes/stories together and put them on a website? Does something like this already exist? If not, everyone send me your funny/cool/interesting/crazy cube stories at chris@... and I'll host them all on my section of speedcubing.com Also post your name and e-mail address (only if you want people to be able to know who you are and/or e-mail you) and I'll create a section on my page. Anonymous stories are also fine! If no one is interested that's fine, but I just thought it would be cool to be able to read cool stories from lots of people that involve the cube. Send me your stories if you're interested! Chris

my friend bet me a dollar that i couldnt solve the cube under 5 minutes and i do it. then i said i could do it faster. he bet me 5 that i couldnt do it in a minute so i go slightly faster and do it in a minute. i say i could do faster and bets me i cant do it in 30 seconds for another 5 and i do it in 25ish seconds and i start laughing like a madman while my friend hands me $11. good thing he did the betting because i didnt have lunch money that day! ~josh

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There is an area on www.rubiks.com under Community where stories ("articles" but this doesn't just mean published stuff) /video clips can be submitted, might be inspirational for those people just getting into cubing. Dave -----Original Message----- From: cmhardw [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: 04 June 2004 14:38 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Send me your anecdotes! Hey everyone, I'm at work now ( :-D ) so this will have to be short. How about we compile all these funny cube anecdotes/stories together and put them on a website? Does something like this already exist? If not, everyone send me your funny/cool/interesting/crazy cube stories at chris@... and I'll host them all on my section of speedcubing.com Also post your name and e-mail address (only if you want people to be able to know who you are and/or e-mail you) and I'll create a section on my page. Anonymous stories are also fine! If no one is interested that's fine, but I just thought it would be cool to be able to read cool stories from lots of people that involve the cube. Send me your stories if you're interested! Chris Yahoo! Groups Links ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Since something already exists, nevermind about sending them to me. I would rather not duplicate something that someone has already put work into. Everyone please send your cool stories to rubiks.com, not to me! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Hedley Jones <davej@s...> wrote: > There is an area on www.rubiks.com under Community where stories ("articles" > but this doesn't just mean published stuff) /video clips can be submitted, > might be inspirational for those people just getting into cubing. > Dave

I'm a pro in showing off and acting modest at the same time ;) If there were a record for most gifts earned by just solving the cube I think I'd win it. I've been cubing for a year and I've earned over 50 drinks, 2CDs in a shop offered by the owner, 2cubes and a keychain cube, and I've been invited to give a cube lesson for kids wich earned me good money. I just know all the "mind tricks" to get people to ask me to solve it or even bet I can't; I my showoff is very subtle hehe. Just show the cube, play confused... Almost all the bars I go to I will get a drink for free. I've never met anyone who could solve the cube here in Portugal other than those taught by me so it really amazes people even with my 30avg. cubing is the deal ;)

Im posting some pics I took of the MEfferts 4x4x4 Mech, There ARE SO MANY PARTS I didn't take it all the way apart.. I can say it has a mech just like the 3x3x3 except with teeny little plastic augmentations to accomodate for 4x4x4. Bad quality on my webcam but meh. -K- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Chris, I install the jdk 1.5b2 but I have a problem when I use your timer. I start the timer and when I stop it I can't accept or discard the time...I don't understand what is the probleme...can You help me? regards Guillaume. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > :(! > --- burntbizzkit <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > try deleting the .wav files. That way there is no > > sound... > > i need to work on the sound a bit, and update. That > > might be your > > problem... > > > > -Chris > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- -~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Your software doesn't work perfectly, your timer's thread have probably some mistakes...Look your code. bye Guillaume. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "becubik" <becubik@y...> wrote: > Chris, > I install the jdk 1.5b2 but I have a problem when I use your timer. > I start the timer and when I stop it I can't accept or discard the > time...I don't understand what is the probleme...can You help me? > > regards > > Guillaume. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > :(! > > --- burntbizzkit <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > try deleting the .wav files. That way there is no > > > sound... > > > i need to work on the sound a bit, and update. That > > > might be your > > > problem... > > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

This sounds awesome. I'm very jealous of whoever gets to do it because I love mobile phones almost as much as I love Rubik's cubes! :) Unfortunately I am no where near the UK. :( Jasmine. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Hedley Jones <davej@s...> wrote: > Hi > O2 the mobile phone company are having a party in Soho, London on Wednesday. > Is there anyone in the UK who would like to come and show off some > speedcubing (it should be a good party and lots of fun) ? > Thanks (e-mail me direct - davej@s...) > Dave

Ok I was up this morning, thinking about notation, and I think I came up with a standard notation that will be constant through cube order 2 to 7 2x2x2 involves only face moves, of course, so standard F R U D B L applies for the 3x3, its possible to choose between a larger array of moves, F f R r U u D d B b L l M E S but what about the 4x4x4? we use lower case letters in a confusing way with the revenge, which I think can be supplanted with the following r = MR, which means the arbitrary M slice move, (which doesnt exist directly), where the slice of the group of slices that could be marked M nearest the R face is turned clockwise l = ML u = EU d = ED b = SB f = SF for full slice turns ML + MR' = M ED' + EU = E and so on for the 5x5x5 slice configurations would look like this (from L to R) | L | ML | M | MR | R | and for the 6x6x6: | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | \___ML___/\___MR___/ | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | \____M____/ | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | \___l___/ \___r___/ and finally, the 7x7x7's config would look like this (again from L to R) | L | mL | ml | M | mr | mR | R | L + mL = l mL + ml = ML mr + mR = MR R + mR = r just a brainstorm, perhaps a bit of a brain tornado. Any thoughts? -K- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Yeah, I like it. Fortunately after the 5x5 all the cubes are pretty much the same and you don't need notation, but this is what I would use if I had to. :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > Ok > > I was up this morning, thinking about notation, and I > think I came up with a standard notation that will be > constant through cube order 2 to 7 > > 2x2x2 involves only face moves, of course, so standard > F R U D B L applies > for the 3x3, its possible to choose between a larger > array of moves, F f R r U u D d B b L l M E S > but what about the 4x4x4? > > we use lower case letters in a confusing way with the > revenge, which I think can be supplanted with the > following > > r = MR, which means the arbitrary M slice move, (which > doesnt exist directly), where the slice of the group > of slices that could be marked M nearest the R face is > turned clockwise > > l = ML > u = EU > d = ED > b = SB > f = SF > > for full slice turns > > ML + MR' = M > ED' + EU = E > and so on > > for the 5x5x5 slice configurations would look like > this (from L to R) > > | L | ML | M | MR | R | > > and for the 6x6x6: > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \___ML___/\___MR___/ > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \____M____/ > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \___l___/ \___r___/ > > and finally, the 7x7x7's config would look like this > (again from L to R) > > | L | mL | ml | M | mr | mR | R | > > L + mL = l > mL + ml = ML > mr + mR = MR > R + mR = r > > just a brainstorm, perhaps a bit of a brain tornado. > Any thoughts? > -K- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

Right. I'm not gonna bother you all with a lenghty, semi-thoughtful rant, so here's the point: 1. I miss a symbol for the null move (and if you think this isn't useful, make sure your calendar isn't saying "24 AD"). I would have suggested "e" (based on my slim knowledge of group theory), but since it's in use, I suggest "I" (for Identity), "O" (as in Origin) or "V" (since it's hard to confuse with any other character that's already in use). Personally I prefer "I". 2. A way to indicate to indicate a turn of (on the 6x6x6), say "ml' mr mR" as one syllable (that'd be layers 2, 3 and 4 counting from R). And more generally, a system that'd allow me to describe ANY move of adjacent slices. 3. A way to indicate the direction of 180� moves. I know that the result is the same on the cube, but hey, it isn't always the same on the timer. right, that's my thoughts about the notation system. Except the implied "apart from what I said, it's fine." Jonas PS. A few lube questions: I vaseline treated my cube (shame on me), then I tried to remove it with soap. After that, I started silicone treating it. It runs fine when treated, but the effect doesn't last long (two weeks). Should I use more silicone per treatment? is it the vaseline? Can I remove it? Your input will be appreciated. --- Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> Ok > > I was up this morning, thinking about notation, and > I > think I came up with a standard notation that will > be > constant through cube order 2 to 7 > > 2x2x2 involves only face moves, of course, so > standard > F R U D B L applies > for the 3x3, its possible to choose between a larger > array of moves, F f R r U u D d B b L l M E S > but what about the 4x4x4? > > we use lower case letters in a confusing way with > the > revenge, which I think can be supplanted with the > following > > r = MR, which means the arbitrary M slice move, > (which > doesnt exist directly), where the slice of the group > of slices that could be marked M nearest the R face > is > turned clockwise > > l = ML > u = EU > d = ED > b = SB > f = SF > > for full slice turns > > ML + MR' = M > ED' + EU = E > and so on > > for the 5x5x5 slice configurations would look like > this (from L to R) > > | L | ML | M | MR | R | > > and for the 6x6x6: > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \___ML___/\___MR___/ > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \____M____/ > > | L | mL | ml | mr | mR | R | > \___l___/ \___r___/ > > and finally, the 7x7x7's config would look like this > (again from L to R) > > | L | mL | ml | M | mr | mR | R | > > L + mL = l > mL + ml = ML > mr + mR = MR > R + mR = r > > just a brainstorm, perhaps a bit of a brain tornado. > Any thoughts? > -K- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be switched. How do I do this?

hey, what you're running into is the parity problem. One alg you can do to make your 5x5x5 (and 7x7x7 I think too) solvable is [R(Uu)²]x5 (meaning 5 times R(Uu)² in a row, without changing the position or orientation of the cube in your hands. It doesn't apparently affect the inner pieces (in fact it does, but unless you marked the inner pieces with any sign that could show you their position, you won't see any difference between before and after the alg) but it does in fact disturb the edge groups. With some practice and depending on the method you use, you'll soon be able to see the parity problem before you finished the whole cube and get these two edges screwed up. for example (I build the centers first then "pair" (or triple...) up the edges then solve like a 3x3) I know there is this problem when I have only 2 edges to swap in 2 different pairs (the rest of the edges are solved), and with some practice, you'll soon be able to use this alg efficiently by positionning the problematic edge groups around your cube. Hope it makes sense and is understandable... François Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@yahoo.com> wrote: I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be switched. How do I do this? Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everybody! Would you like to get a brandnew Dogic for a normal price? Meffert's might offer this and two nice other new puzzles soon. But it depends on feedback to show how many people are interested. I learned this from their mailing list and Uwe lets me do the announcement here on his behalf. Rather than rephrasing everything he said, I'll copy the main part: -------------------------------------------- Release of special pre-production limited editions and collectors' PUZZLES I am pleased to announce several exciting new puzzles: (1) The "SMARTBALL" range comes in several versions for this special pre-release collector's edition. The two-color version i s the easiest and the Soccer Ball the hardest. The Smartball uses a completely new hollow puzzle concept with no internal mec hanism. The challenge is to rotate six large interlaced circles to create interesting patterns and designs and then put them back in their original pattern. The Smartball could be described as an advanced Masterball concept. (2) "DOGIC" I have negotiated a deal with the Original Dogic maker to transfer the Dogic molds to our factory if the interest in DOGIC is sufficient to warrant to manufacture Dogic again. So the response to this mailing is very important. Please do y our best to spread the word to enable Dogic to be available again via our puzzle shop at regular prices. (3) "JACKPOT" is unique, simply the most exciting puzzle ever! It is a beautiful mechanical puzzle utilizing two separate bal l-bearing mechanisms and full electronic light displays which are activated as each face is solved. Three variations are proposed for this individually signed, limited- edition pre-production release. To select puzzles you would like to have, go to: http://www.mefferts.com/new-puzzle-release. Please note: You are not placing an order. This merely helps me determine by July 1st. which puzzles I should put into production and how many of those puzzles that are selected. Even a limited production r un of 1,000 to 3,000 pieces will not cover the costs of development, but this is my way of showing appreciation for your loya l support over the years. Production lots of less than 1,000 will not be practical, so please spread the word to your puzzle enthusiast friends worldwide, by any means, to make this special pre- release offer a reality. Happy Puzzling Uwe --------------------------------------------

how much do dogics cost? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > Hi everybody! > > Would you like to get a brandnew Dogic for a normal price? > > Meffert's might offer this and two nice other new puzzles soon. But > it depends on feedback to show how many people are interested. I > learned this from their mailing list and Uwe lets me do the > announcement here on his behalf. Rather than rephrasing everything > he said, I'll copy the main part: > > > -------------------------------------------- > Release of special pre-production limited editions and collectors' > PUZZLES > > > I am pleased to announce several exciting new puzzles: > > > (1) The "SMARTBALL" range comes in several versions for this special > pre-release collector's edition. The two-color version i > s the easiest and the Soccer Ball the hardest. The Smartball uses a > completely new hollow puzzle concept with no internal mec > hanism. The challenge is to rotate six large interlaced circles to > create interesting patterns and designs and then put them > back in their original pattern. The Smartball could be described as > an advanced Masterball concept. > > (2) "DOGIC" I have negotiated a deal with the Original Dogic maker > to transfer the Dogic molds to our factory if the interest > in DOGIC is sufficient to warrant to manufacture Dogic again. So > the response to this mailing is very important. Please do y > our best to spread the word to enable Dogic to be available again > via our puzzle shop at regular prices. > > (3) "JACKPOT" is unique, simply the most exciting puzzle ever! It is > a beautiful mechanical puzzle utilizing two separate bal > l-bearing mechanisms and full electronic light displays which are > activated as each face is solved. > > > Three variations are proposed for this individually signed, limited- > edition pre-production release. > > > To select puzzles you would like to have, go to: > > http://www.mefferts.com/new-puzzle-release. Please note: You are not > placing an order. This merely helps me determine by July > 1st. which puzzles I should put into production and how many of > those puzzles that are selected. Even a limited production r > un of 1,000 to 3,000 pieces will not cover the costs of development, > but this is my way of showing appreciation for your loya > l support over the years. Production lots of less than 1,000 will > not be practical, so please spread the word to your puzzle > enthusiast friends worldwide, by any means, to make this special pre- > release offer a reality. > > > Happy Puzzling > > Uwe > --------------------------------------------

My 4x4x4 exploded yesterday and one of the center pieces broke beyond repair. So my question is, what 4x4x4 are most people using? I bought mine from Rubiks.com and it only lasted me 2 weeks, with normal use (2-3 hours a day). -Chris

Where do you guys get your 7x7x7's? ~Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François SECHET <frsechet@y...> wrote: > hey, > what you're running into is the parity problem. One alg you can do to make your 5x5x5 (and 7x7x7 I think too) solvable is [R(Uu)²]x5 (meaning 5 times R(Uu)² in a row, without changing the position or orientation of the cube in your hands. It doesn't apparently affect the inner pieces (in fact it does, but unless you marked the inner pieces with any sign that could show you their position, you won't see any difference between before and after the alg) but it does in fact disturb the edge groups. With some practice and depending on the method you use, you'll soon be able to see the parity problem before you finished the whole cube and get these two edges screwed up. for example (I build the centers first then "pair" (or triple...) up the edges then solve like a 3x3) I know there is this problem when I have only 2 edges to swap in 2 different pairs (the rest of the edges are solved), and with some practice, you'll soon be able to use this alg efficiently by positionning the problematic > edge groups around your cube. > Hope it makes sense and is understandable... > François > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same > spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done > getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual > edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be > switched. > How do I do this? > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail > > Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, I got that email also! The "Dogic" and the other new puzzles looks pretty cool. If you guys are still interested, subscribe to Meffert's newsletters. ~Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, hubexe <no_reply@y...> wrote: > how much do dogics cost? > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > > > Would you like to get a brandnew Dogic for a normal price? > > > > Meffert's might offer this and two nice other new puzzles soon. But > > it depends on feedback to show how many people are interested. I > > learned this from their mailing list and Uwe lets me do the > > announcement here on his behalf. Rather than rephrasing everything > > he said, I'll copy the main part: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Release of special pre-production limited editions and collectors' > > PUZZLES > > > > > > I am pleased to announce several exciting new puzzles: > > > > > > (1) The "SMARTBALL" range comes in several versions for this special > > pre-release collector's edition. The two-color version i > > s the easiest and the Soccer Ball the hardest. The Smartball uses a > > completely new hollow puzzle concept with no internal mec > > hanism. The challenge is to rotate six large interlaced circles to > > create interesting patterns and designs and then put them > > back in their original pattern. The Smartball could be described as > > an advanced Masterball concept. > > > > (2) "DOGIC" I have negotiated a deal with the Original Dogic maker > > to transfer the Dogic molds to our factory if the interest > > in DOGIC is sufficient to warrant to manufacture Dogic again. So > > the response to this mailing is very important. Please do y > > our best to spread the word to enable Dogic to be available again > > via our puzzle shop at regular prices. > > > > (3) "JACKPOT" is unique, simply the most exciting puzzle ever! It is > > a beautiful mechanical puzzle utilizing two separate bal > > l-bearing mechanisms and full electronic light displays which are > > activated as each face is solved. > > > > > > Three variations are proposed for this individually signed, limited- > > edition pre-production release. > > > > > > To select puzzles you would like to have, go to: > > > > http://www.mefferts.com/new-puzzle-release. Please note: You are not > > placing an order. This merely helps me determine by July > > 1st. which puzzles I should put into production and how many of > > those puzzles that are selected. Even a limited production r > > un of 1,000 to 3,000 pieces will not cover the costs of development, > > but this is my way of showing appreciation for your loya > > l support over the years. Production lots of less than 1,000 will > > not be practical, so please spread the word to your puzzle > > enthusiast friends worldwide, by any means, to make this special pre- > > release offer a reality. > > > > > > Happy Puzzling > > > > Uwe > > --------------------------------------------

I uploaded a picture of my newer, bigger rubik's rack since the old one was getting full. Very neat I though! It's under Bigger Shelf.jpg in the photos section Daniel

Where do we get our 7x7x7's? mostly... in that sort of big box you're looking at... ;-) on internet!!! try http://www.oinkleburger.com/Cube/Net/, you can find any size of cube there. François azinj05ieipih <azinj05ieipih@yahoo.com> wrote: Where do you guys get your 7x7x7's? ~Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François SECHET <frsechet@y...> wrote: > hey, > what you're running into is the parity problem. One alg you can do to make your 5x5x5 (and 7x7x7 I think too) solvable is [R(Uu)²]x5 (meaning 5 times R(Uu)² in a row, without changing the position or orientation of the cube in your hands. It doesn't apparently affect the inner pieces (in fact it does, but unless you marked the inner pieces with any sign that could show you their position, you won't see any difference between before and after the alg) but it does in fact disturb the edge groups. With some practice and depending on the method you use, you'll soon be able to see the parity problem before you finished the whole cube and get these two edges screwed up. for example (I build the centers first then "pair" (or triple...) up the edges then solve like a 3x3) I know there is this problem when I have only 2 edges to swap in 2 different pairs (the rest of the edges are solved), and with some practice, you'll soon be able to use this alg efficiently by positionning the problematic > edge groups around your cube. > Hope it makes sense and is understandable... > François > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same > spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done > getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual > edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be > switched. > How do I do this? > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail > > Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

haha... If you're lucky you might get one on ebay for like $500 (yes, two zeros) every once in a while. The new future price of Meffert's is unknown, but Uwe wrote "enable Dogic to be available again via our puzzle shop at regular prices." It *is* a bit of a complex puzzle, but *my personal* estimate is $40 or less (hopefully much less ;-)). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "azinj05ieipih" <azinj05ieipih@y...> wrote: > Hey, I got that email also! The "Dogic" and the other new puzzles > looks pretty cool. If you guys are still interested, subscribe to > Meffert's newsletters. Note that you don't need to get their newsletter now to show interest in the new puzzles. Just visit the page that was mentioned in my initial posting. Also note that two of the puzzles are on the first page and there's an extra link to the third puzzle. And also, you don't commit yourself to buying something. It's just a poll to find out how much interest there is. Of course you should answer truthfully so if you're not interested then don't say so. That's only fair. But if you can imagine yourself (or your uncle, grandma, ... ;-)) to buy one then tell them!!! I myself would looooove to get a new Dogic. Actually several. Cheers! Stefan

Oh btw, just in case you don't know the Dogic yet: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/dogic.htm http://www.twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?act=sec&key=twenty You probably can't know the other two puzzles, since they're new, though the first one looks like the improved K-ball (http://www.sphere-mania.com). Question to people who have played with a Dogic: Does it turn nicely? I've had a bad experience with the Impossiball (http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/impossi.htm) which looks somehow similar and turns really ugly. Cheers! Stefan

Hey everyone, I just got my new personal record of 16.56 seconds and coincidentally, it was on video! I figured I might as well share it with you (and pseudo-brag though it's really nothing given the times the crazier people can do.) http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/media/16.56.mov How many people have caught their fastest solves on video? We only video tape a very small fraction of our solves so the probability I would imagine is kind of low. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

cool! stick it on rubiks.com - media, videos ? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] Sent: 07 June 2004 10:31 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] fastest time on video Hey everyone, I just got my new personal record of 16.56 seconds and coincidentally, it was on video! I figured I might as well share it with you (and pseudo-brag though it's really nothing given the times the crazier people can do.) http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/media/16.56.mov How many people have caught their fastest solves on video? We only video tape a very small fraction of our solves so the probability I would imagine is kind of low. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Yahoo! Groups Links ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

I was at a restaurant with friends tonight and we got onto the topic of cubing. One of the friends there hadn't seen me cube before, so she asked for a demo. Of course I was only too keen to oblige! :) As I was doing this, a waiter came over to watch too. He said he recognised me from the newspaper (there was an article about me in the local paper last year after Worlds). Coincidentally, the waiter was learning to cube at the time and was so impressed that he gave me a free drink (cool!). After dinner, as we were getting ready to leave the restaurant, the waiter came over to our table with a cube and a pen and asked if I would autograph his cube! :) I told him he's clearly a speedcuber in the making if he always has a cube with him. (As we know, all serious speedcubers carry cubes around with them! ;) Jasmine.

Wow, that's awesome! I know Lars Petrus got his fastest time of about 14.8 seconds on video. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I just got my new personal record of 16.56 seconds and coincidentally, > it was on video! I figured I might as well share it with you (and > pseudo-brag though it's really nothing given the times the crazier > people can do.) > > http://www.its.caltech.edu/~tmao/cube/media/16.56.mov > > How many people have caught their fastest solves on video? We only > video tape a very small fraction of our solves so the probability I > would imagine is kind of low. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

bah, you didn't even break the world record ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I just got my new personal record of 16.56 seconds and coincidentally,

Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I picked up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last three days. Any suggestions?

Keep at it! Welcome to the club. If you need any help or tips or anything, there are many people in this group that are more than willing to share their time with you. Good luck! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 7, 2004, at 1:18 PM, paperboy9292 wrote: > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I picked > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last three > days. Any suggestions? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I picked > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last three > days. Any suggestions? What method are you using,(do you solve it layer-by-layer?)and are there any specific parts of the solve that you have problems on? Austin

Hey everyone, I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate more later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country Rubik's Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The representative is in charge of holding whatever type of competition to determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would have a head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 cubers against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average the middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever country has the faster average advances. This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of the averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is just because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't have to travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor system and everything. Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? It'd be so cool to see an Australian team! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

I've had very similar experiences and I find it's VERY easy to impress people. Most people don't really have any clue as to a slow or fast time but are just as impressed at any solve. Then they ask me what the world record is and I say like 12.8 and then I don't feel so special... Then they tell me how they used to take the stickers off. :o I recently got my first 10 solve average just below 30 seconds and nobody cares. My wife said 'Oh, that's nice.' ARGH! No respect! I have to read these boards to find comfort that I'm not alone in my quest for speed. We are a rare breed and I'm glad the internet can bring us isolated speedcubing folks together. Nobody else can appreciate our best times... :( a lone cubist... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jasmine_ellen <no_reply@y...> wrote: > I was at a restaurant with friends tonight and we got onto the topic > of cubing. One of the friends there hadn't seen me cube before, so > she asked for a demo. Of course I was only too keen to oblige! :) As > I was doing this, a waiter came over to watch too. He said he > recognised me from the newspaper (there was an article about me in > the local paper last year after Worlds). Coincidentally, the waiter > was learning to cube at the time and was so impressed that he gave > me a free drink (cool!). > > After dinner, as we were getting ready to leave the restaurant, the > waiter came over to our table with a cube and a pen and asked if I > would autograph his cube! :) I told him he's clearly a speedcuber in > the making if he always has a cube with him. (As we know, all > serious speedcubers carry cubes around with them! ;) > > Jasmine.

Im sure we could adapt that to officiality if cubing ever decides to go olympic ;) (i can dream, can't I?) -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I had this idea just now while walking back from > picking up my lab > notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably > elaborate more > later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. > country Rubik's > Cube tournament? Each country would have a > representative. That > representative does not necessarily have to be a > cuber. The > representative is in charge of holding whatever type > of competition to > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. > Then, we would have a > head to head single or double elimination tournament > bracket. 5 cubers > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 > solves, average the > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and > which ever country > has the faster average advances. > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun > and none of the > averages would count for any WRCA recognized > records. This is just > because it would not be feasible for the regulation > necessary for > official world records. The advantage is that the > cubers don't have to > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home > on the honor system > and everything. > > Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of > countries? It'd > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Yeah, at the Caltech Spring Tournament, one of my friends who was acting as a judge said that he was equally impressed by the 14 second solves by Macky as he was by the 35 second solves by everyone else. Unless you're a speedcuber, the 10 second difference really doesn't register. I should try to get some free drinks or something sometime. Macky said he got something at Starbucks but that's about it. Bleh... Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:03 PM, hovardt wrote: > I've had very similar experiences and I find it's VERY easy to > impress people.  Most people don't really have any clue as to a slow > or fast time but are just as impressed at any solve.  Then they ask > me what the world record is and I say like 12.8 and then I don't feel > so special...  Then they tell me how they used to take the stickers > off.  :o > > I recently got my first 10 solve average just below 30 seconds and > nobody cares.  My wife said 'Oh, that's nice.'  ARGH!  No respect!  I > have to read these boards to find comfort that I'm not alone in my > quest for speed.  We are a rare breed and I'm glad the internet can > bring us isolated speedcubing folks together.  Nobody else can > appreciate our best times... :( > > a lone cubist... > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jasmine_ellen > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > I was at a restaurant with friends tonight and we got onto the > topic > > of cubing. One of the friends there hadn't seen me cube before, so > > she asked for a demo. Of course I was only too keen to oblige! :) > As > > I was doing this, a waiter came over to watch too. He said he > > recognised me from the newspaper (there was an article about me in > > the local paper last year after Worlds). Coincidentally, the waiter > > was learning to cube at the time and was so impressed that he gave > > me a free drink (cool!). > > > > After dinner, as we were getting ready to leave the restaurant, the > > waiter came over to our table with a cube and a pen and asked if I > > would autograph his cube! :) I told him he's clearly a speedcuber > in > > the making if he always has a cube with him. (As we know, all > > serious speedcubers carry cubes around with them! ;) > > > > Jasmine. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testb_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Didn't they try to get chess into the olympics? What was the deal with that? Speedcubing is definitely more physical than chess... (though I think chess probably takes more energy and physical stamina). Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:05 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > Im sure we could adapt that to officiality if cubing > ever decides to go olympic ;) (i can dream, can't I?) > -K-

Im glad of that, though, because if people were only interested in sub 20 solves id never be praised for cubing lol. -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Yeah, at the Caltech Spring Tournament, one of my > friends who was > acting as a judge said that he was equally impressed > by the 14 second > solves by Macky as he was by the 35 second solves by > everyone else. > Unless you're a speedcuber, the 10 second difference > really doesn't > register. > > I should try to get some free drinks or something > sometime. Macky said > he got something at Starbucks but that's about it. > Bleh... > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:03 PM, hovardt wrote: > > > I've had very similar experiences and I find it's > VERY easy to > > impress people.��� Most people don't really have > any clue as to a slow > > or fast time but are just as impressed at any > solve.��� Then they ask > > me what the world record is and I say like 12.8 > and then I don't feel > > so special...��� Then they tell me how they used to > take the stickers > > off.��� :o > > > > I recently got my first 10 solve average just > below 30 seconds and > > nobody cares.��� My wife said 'Oh, that's nice.'��� > ARGH!��� No respect!��� I > > have to read these boards to find comfort that > I'm not alone in my > > quest for speed.��� We are a rare breed and I'm > glad the internet can > > bring us isolated speedcubing folks together.��� > Nobody else can > > appreciate our best times... :( > > > > a lone cubist... > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > jasmine_ellen > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > I was at a restaurant with friends tonight and > we got onto the > > topic > > > of cubing. One of the friends there hadn't seen > me cube before, so > > > she asked for a demo. Of course I was only too > keen to oblige! :) > > As > > > I was doing this, a waiter came over to watch > too. He said he > > > recognised me from the newspaper (there was an > article about me in > > > the local paper last year after Worlds). > Coincidentally, the waiter > > > was learning to cube at the time and was so > impressed that he gave > > > me a free drink (cool!). > > > > > > After dinner, as we were getting ready to leave > the restaurant, the > > > waiter came over to our table with a cube and a > pen and asked if I > > > would autograph his cube! :) I told him he's > clearly a speedcuber > > in > > > the making if he always has a cube with him. > (As we know, all > > > serious speedcubers carry cubes around with > them! ;) > > > > > > Jasmine. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <yhoo0504_testb_300250a052604.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ��� To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > ��� > > ��� To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ��� > > ��� Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Im glad of that, though, because if people were only interested in sub 20 solves id never be praised for cubing lol. -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Yeah, at the Caltech Spring Tournament, one of my > friends who was > acting as a judge said that he was equally impressed > by the 14 second > solves by Macky as he was by the 35 second solves by > everyone else. > Unless you're a speedcuber, the 10 second difference > really doesn't > register. > > I should try to get some free drinks or something > sometime. Macky said > he got something at Starbucks but that's about it. > Bleh... > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:03 PM, hovardt wrote: > > > I've had very similar experiences and I find it's > VERY easy to > > impress people.��� Most people don't really have > any clue as to a slow > > or fast time but are just as impressed at any > solve.��� Then they ask > > me what the world record is and I say like 12.8 > and then I don't feel > > so special...��� Then they tell me how they used to > take the stickers > > off.��� :o > > > > I recently got my first 10 solve average just > below 30 seconds and > > nobody cares.��� My wife said 'Oh, that's nice.'��� > ARGH!��� No respect!��� I > > have to read these boards to find comfort that > I'm not alone in my > > quest for speed.��� We are a rare breed and I'm > glad the internet can > > bring us isolated speedcubing folks together.��� > Nobody else can > > appreciate our best times... :( > > > > a lone cubist... > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > jasmine_ellen > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > I was at a restaurant with friends tonight and > we got onto the > > topic > > > of cubing. One of the friends there hadn't seen > me cube before, so > > > she asked for a demo. Of course I was only too > keen to oblige! :) > > As > > > I was doing this, a waiter came over to watch > too. He said he > > > recognised me from the newspaper (there was an > article about me in > > > the local paper last year after Worlds). > Coincidentally, the waiter > > > was learning to cube at the time and was so > impressed that he gave > > > me a free drink (cool!). > > > > > > After dinner, as we were getting ready to leave > the restaurant, the > > > waiter came over to our table with a cube and a > pen and asked if I > > > would autograph his cube! :) I told him he's > clearly a speedcuber > > in > > > the making if he always has a cube with him. > (As we know, all > > > serious speedcubers carry cubes around with > them! ;) > > > > > > Jasmine. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <yhoo0504_testb_300250a052604.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ��� To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > ��� > > ��� To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ��� > > ��� Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

There are specifications on the global outreach of the sport, and I suppose there are some dealing with the actual physical aspects of it, which wouldn't explain why equestrian sports got in...isnt that more of the horse than the rider? -K- --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Didn't they try to get chess into the olympics? > What was the deal with > that? Speedcubing is definitely more physical than > chess... (though I > think chess probably takes more energy and physical > stamina). > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:05 PM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > > > Im sure we could adapt that to officiality if > cubing > > ever decides to go olympic ;) (i can dream, can't > I?) > > -K- > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Thanks for encouragment! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Keep at it! Welcome to the club. If you need any help or tips or > anything, there are many people in this group that are more than > willing to share their time with you. Good luck! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 7, 2004, at 1:18 PM, paperboy9292 wrote: > > > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I picked > > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last three > > days. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > >

I am using the "Beginner Solution" (found here http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html ) to familiarize myself with the cube. I have gotten to last step and I am stuck on "Permuting the LL Edges". I can't place 2 of the edges and 2 of the corners in last layer. When I try I mess up the thing. It looks like the two errant edges should be swapped 180 degrees, while the two corners face the same direction and should just be interchanged. Easier said than done for me at this point. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber <no_reply@y...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" > <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I > picked > > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last > three > > days. Any suggestions? > > What method are you using,(do you solve it layer-by-layer?)and are > there any specific parts of the solve that you have problems on? > > Austin

Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find anything on their site, and sent an email asking them and got no reply. If anyone knows where to get them please let me know. Thx, Evan

Eastsheen has a site? --- evanmgates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find > anything on their > site, and sent an email asking them and got no > reply. If anyone > knows where to get them please let me know. > > Thx, > Evan > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

http://www.eastsheen.com.tw/eastsheen.htm they have all the cubes and cases on it, but no place to buy stuff Evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > Eastsheen has a site? > > --- evanmgates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find > > anything on their > > site, and sent an email asking them and got no > > reply. If anyone > > knows where to get them please let me know. > > > > Thx, > > Evan > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- -~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Mefferts sells the 4x4x4s and 5x5x5s I think -K- --- evanmgates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > http://www.eastsheen.com.tw/eastsheen.htm > > they have all the cubes and cases on it, but no > place to buy stuff > > Evan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Eastsheen has a site? > > > > --- evanmgates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find > > > anything on their > > > site, and sent an email asking them and got no > > > reply. If anyone > > > knows where to get them please let me know. > > > > > > Thx, > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Thanks. You have any clue who sells the 2x2x2s? Evan -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Bryant [mailto:craptastic_crap@...] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:48 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] eastsheen Mefferts sells the 4x4x4s and 5x5x5s I think -K- --- evanmgates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > http://www.eastsheen.com.tw/eastsheen.htm > > they have all the cubes and cases on it, but no > place to buy stuff > > Evan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Kyle > Bryant > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > Eastsheen has a site? > > > > --- evanmgates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find > > > anything on their > > > site, and sent an email asking them and got no > > > reply. If anyone > > > knows where to get them please let me know. > > > > > > Thx, > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1296bpsv1/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086745695/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=141092641> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, I got a call requesting to do a documentary on the Rubik's Cube. Just to let you guys know in case I ever ask anyone for help. They're looking at anywhere from $25,000 to $100,000 for this project so this isn't just some home made thing. Anyway, that's all for now. Don't forget to register for the US Nationals and the European Championships! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

again, I believe Mefferts offers Eastsheen 2x2s -K- --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > Thanks. You have any clue who sells the 2x2x2s? > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle Bryant [mailto:craptastic_crap@...] > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:48 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] eastsheen > > > > Mefferts sells the 4x4x4s and 5x5x5s I think > -K- > --- evanmgates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > http://www.eastsheen.com.tw/eastsheen.htm > > > > they have all the cubes and cases on it, but no > > place to buy stuff > > > > Evan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Kyle > > Bryant > > <craptastic_crap@y...> wrote: > > > Eastsheen has a site? > > > > > > --- evanmgates <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > > > Where can I buy Eastsheen cubes? I can't find > > > > anything on their > > > > site, and sent an email asking them and got no > > > > reply. If anyone > > > > knows where to get them please let me know. > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > --------------------~--> > > > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > > > > > > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -~-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1296bpsv1/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086745695/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl > ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2164339/rand=141092641> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hi there, Are you having trouble with my beginner solution page (http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html)? Is it not making sense? I'd be more than happy to try and help out if you want. Send me an email (jasmine_ellen@...). Jasmine. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > I am using the "Beginner Solution" (found here > http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html ) to > familiarize myself with the cube. > > I have gotten to last step and I am stuck on "Permuting the LL > Edges". I can't place 2 of the edges and 2 of the corners in last > layer. When I try I mess up the thing. It looks like the two errant > edges should be swapped 180 degrees, while the two corners face the > same direction and should just be interchanged. Easier said than > done for me at this point. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" > > <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > > > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I > > picked > > > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last > > three > > > days. Any suggestions? > > > > What method are you using,(do you solve it layer-by-layer?)and are > > there any specific parts of the solve that you have problems on? > > > > Austin

well, i would love to say i found a great link to a rubik's themed chess set...but i can't. i've been looking for a unique themed chess set, and it occured to me that i would like to be able to custom make one. i have quite a few hobbies that would translate nicely to a theme. like rubik's. i can picture 2x2's as the pawns...or keychain 3's, 5x5 as a king, 4x4 as queen, 3x3's as bishops, siamese 2x2's as knights, and those cylinder shaped 3x3's as rooks. you could mix up the twisty puzzle content if you wanted, and have things like the nintendo barrel as rooks...whatever. hey, if anyone wants to assemble one of these for a picture, i'd LOVE it!! or if your good with photoshop maybe ;-) anyway, thought i'd share.

thanks for your great newbie solution page. I'm having trouble figuring out how i should position the cube to perform the last moves (permuting LL edges). The original D face which became U face in intermediate steps is now complete. I only need to fix the edges of the LL which is done, I assume, by "permuting LL edges". My question is: How should the cube be positioned in 3-D space before I start the last algorithm. Please use original designations of U L R B F D (which of these original face designations should now be in front, or top or bottom as I proceed with the algorithm). I need this as a reference point before doing the last moves. thanks. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jasmine_ellen <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Hi there, > > Are you having trouble with my beginner solution page > (http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html)? Is > it not making sense? I'd be more than happy to try and help out if > you want. Send me an email (jasmine_ellen@y...). > > Jasmine. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" > <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > > I am using the "Beginner Solution" (found here > > http://www.geocities.com/jasmine_ellen/RubiksCubeSolution.html ) > to > > familiarize myself with the cube. > > > > I have gotten to last step and I am stuck on "Permuting the LL > > Edges". I can't place 2 of the edges and 2 of the corners in last > > layer. When I try I mess up the thing. It looks like the two > errant > > edges should be swapped 180 degrees, while the two corners face > the > > same direction and should just be interchanged. Easier said than > > done for me at this point. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, stradivariuscuber > > <no_reply@y...> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "paperboy9292" > > > <paperboy9292@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi, I am in early 30's. I was 11 yrs old when I last cubed. I > > > picked > > > > up a cube last week, and it's been kicking my ass for the last > > > three > > > > days. Any suggestions? > > > > > > What method are you using,(do you solve it layer-by-layer?)and > are > > > there any specific parts of the solve that you have problems on? > > > > > > Austin

Sorry, but that algorithm didn't work. The way I solve it is the same as everyone else: solve centers, solve edges, solve as 3x3x3. That algorithm screwed up the centers that are already solved. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François SECHET <frsechet@y...> wrote: > hey, > what you're running into is the parity problem. One alg you can do to make your 5x5x5 (and 7x7x7 I think too) solvable is [R(Uu)²]x5 (meaning 5 times R(Uu)² in a row, without changing the position or orientation of the cube in your hands. It doesn't apparently affect the inner pieces (in fact it does, but unless you marked the inner pieces with any sign that could show you their position, you won't see any difference between before and after the alg) but it does in fact disturb the edge groups. With some practice and depending on the method you use, you'll soon be able to see the parity problem before you finished the whole cube and get these two edges screwed up. for example (I build the centers first then "pair" (or triple...) up the edges then solve like a 3x3) I know there is this problem when I have only 2 edges to swap in 2 different pairs (the rest of the edges are solved), and with some practice, you'll soon be able to use this alg efficiently by positionning the problematic > edge groups around your cube. > Hope it makes sense and is understandable... > François > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same > spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done > getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual > edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be > switched. > How do I do this? > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail > > Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

yeah, it should read [R²(Uu)]x5. Sorry for the small mistake! François Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@...> wrote: Sorry, but that algorithm didn't work. The way I solve it is the same as everyone else: solve centers, solve edges, solve as 3x3x3. That algorithm screwed up the centers that are already solved. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François SECHET <frsechet@y...> wrote: > hey, > what you're running into is the parity problem. One alg you can do to make your 5x5x5 (and 7x7x7 I think too) solvable is [R(Uu)²]x5 (meaning 5 times R(Uu)² in a row, without changing the position or orientation of the cube in your hands. It doesn't apparently affect the inner pieces (in fact it does, but unless you marked the inner pieces with any sign that could show you their position, you won't see any difference between before and after the alg) but it does in fact disturb the edge groups. With some practice and depending on the method you use, you'll soon be able to see the parity problem before you finished the whole cube and get these two edges screwed up. for example (I build the centers first then "pair" (or triple...) up the edges then solve like a 3x3) I know there is this problem when I have only 2 edges to swap in 2 different pairs (the rest of the edges are solved), and with some practice, you'll soon be able to use this alg efficiently by positionning the problematic > edge groups around your cube. > Hope it makes sense and is understandable... > François > > Michael Atkinson <unipsycho6@y...> wrote: > I've been working on a 7x7x7 cube for a while, and I'm at the same > spot that always screws me up in the 5x5, too. I'm almost done > getting the edges paired up, and right now I have two individual > edges (not edge groups, just the single pieces) that need to be > switched. > How do I do this? > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail > > Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Do it.

What are the best 4x4x4 5x5x5 for speedcubing and where can I buy them online? what about square-1?

Hey Tyson, I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) All the best, Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate more > later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country Rubik's > Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of competition to > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would have a > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 cubers > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average the > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever country > has the faster average advances. > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of the > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is just > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't have to > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor system > and everything. > > Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? It'd > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

Sounds cool, but I don't even know 5 cubers in Australia! I'm sure they exist, I just don't know them. Jasmine. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate more > later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country Rubik's > Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of competition to > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would have a > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 cubers > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average the > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever country > has the faster average advances. > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of the > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is just > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't have to > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor system > and everything. > > Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? It'd > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

Hi Patrick, I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > Hey Tyson, > > I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, > Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) > > The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for > videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) > > All the best, Patrick > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > > notebook.  (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate > more > > later.)  Would people be interested in a country vs. country > Rubik's > > Cube tournament?  Each country would have a representative.  That > > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber.  The > > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of > competition to > > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers.  Then, we would > have a > > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket.  5 > cubers > > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average > the > > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever > country > > has the faster average advances. > > > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of > the > > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records.  This is > just > > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > > official world records.  The advantage is that the cubers don't > have to > > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor > system > > and everything. > > > > Are people up for this?  Think we could get a lot of countries?  > It'd > > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

for the love of god please someone explain to me how helmsetter's notation works out b/c i can't figure out what the heck the alg is. i kno he has it explained on his site but i still dont understand how some of it works. like the dashes between the notation and "substitutions." ~josh

Im down for a country to country battle. :) Tyson Mao <tmao@....edu> wrote:Hi Patrick, I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > Hey Tyson, > > I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, > Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) > > The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for > videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) > > All the best, Patrick > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > > notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate > more > > later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country > Rubik's > > Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That > > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The > > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of > competition to > > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would > have a > > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 > cubers > > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average > the > > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever > country > > has the faster average advances. > > > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of > the > > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is > just > > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > > official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't > have to > > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor > system > > and everything. > > > > Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? > It'd > > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, So I'll set up a website after I get out of school (literally this Friday). I guess people should start thinking about getting together their countries. If you'd like to be the one who organizes your country, you should also probably speak up. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Frank Morris wrote: > Im down for a country to country battle. :) > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...u> wrote:Hi Patrick, > > I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it > would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > >> Hey Tyson, >> >> I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, >> Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) >> >> The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for >> videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) >> >> All the best, Patrick >> >> >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao >> wrote: >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab >>> notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate >> more >>> later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country >> Rubik's >>> Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That >>> representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The >>> representative is in charge of holding whatever type of >> competition to >>> determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would >> have a >>> head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 >> cubers >>> against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average >> the >>> middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever >> country >>> has the faster average advances. >>> >>> This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of >> the >>> averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is >> just >>> because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for >>> official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't >> have to >>> travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor >> system >>> and everything. >>> >>> Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? >> It'd >>> be so cool to see an Australian team! >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> MSC #631 >>> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> ADVERTISEMENT >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> • To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >> >> • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Sounds like fun! Jon --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frank Morris <ephem825@y...> wrote: > Im down for a country to country battle. :) > > Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote:Hi Patrick, > > I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it > would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > > > Hey Tyson, > > > > I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, > > Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) > > > > The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for > > videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) > > > > All the best, Patrick > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > > wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > > > notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate > > more > > > later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country > > Rubik's > > > Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That > > > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The > > > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of > > competition to > > > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would > > have a > > > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 > > cubers > > > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average > > the > > > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever > > country > > > has the faster average advances. > > > > > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of > > the > > > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is > > just > > > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > > > official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't > > have to > > > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor > > system > > > and everything. > > > > > > Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? > > It'd > > > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Well, I think I might be doing this for France, cuz not too many French read this group (désolé si je me trompe) and in case some do and are interested, please email me at frsechet@... (msn frsechet@...). Yeah, it's a very cool idea! Anyway, if you're French and reading this, please send me an email (or IM me) and tell me if you're interested. I'll also ask other people who don't read this list. François Tyson Mao <tmao@...ltech.edu> wrote: Hey everyone, So I'll set up a website after I get out of school (literally this Friday). I guess people should start thinking about getting together their countries. If you'd like to be the one who organizes your country, you should also probably speak up. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Frank Morris wrote: > Im down for a country to country battle. :) > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote:Hi Patrick, > > I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it > would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > >> Hey Tyson, >> >> I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, >> Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) >> >> The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for >> videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) >> >> All the best, Patrick >> >> >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao >> wrote: >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab >>> notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate >> more >>> later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country >> Rubik's >>> Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That >>> representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The >>> representative is in charge of holding whatever type of >> competition to >>> determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would >> have a >>> head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 >> cubers >>> against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average >> the >>> middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever >> country >>> has the faster average advances. >>> >>> This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of >> the >>> averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is >> just >>> because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for >>> official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't >> have to >>> travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor >> system >>> and everything. >>> >>> Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? >> It'd >>> be so cool to see an Australian team! >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> MSC #631 >>> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> ADVERTISEMENT >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> • To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >> >> • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Mail - Votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre adresse sur http://mail.yahoo.fr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

2x2x2 first! All orient corner is good for 3 same color on opposite face Different with 2 same color, 3 x 21 algs. Bad lucky 3 move max is neccessary I'm busy but the return with my pencil and my cube is good for me. All orient corner step1 is very fast and the step 2 final is theory only. Anyway corner=3color EX: opposite face U and D after all orient corner my step 1 The big letter L appear on U face (3 same color) 21 algs(black jack:) B2D'B2DB'D'BR2B'RB' R2DR2D'B2R2 B2D'R2B2D'R2 R2D'B2DR2D'R2B2 B2DR2D'R2B2D'B2 R2D'B2DB2 R2D'R2 R2B2D'RU'RB2R'BR' B2DR2D'R'D'RB2R'DR' R2DB2DR2D'B2DR2 R2D'R2D'B2DR2D'B2 B2DB2 B2D'R2D'B2DR2D'B2 R2D'R'B'RB2R'DB' R2DR2D'R2DB2DB2 B2DR2B2 R2D'R'U'RB2R'BR' B2R2DR2D'B2R2 R2D'B2R2 B2DR2D'R2 B2DB2D2R2DB2D2R2DR2 Rechearch only one of 6. The step 2 layer by layer is better fast but 1 sec. max seem to me realizable. My average move is better for 1 seconde and without inspection my step 1 is fastest. My friend 4e with official french. He push the limit for the edge mirror and symetric, average 23 unofficial. He look for the step 2 with my corner method. I don't pretend and layer by layer on rubik's cube is official but the 2x2x2 is same of fewest or big cube. The rubik's cube is the only one edge! I love without inspecton and approach 40-45 move max. The magician Gaétan

Hi Patrick, I do not have your personal e-mail. Would you be interested in being the German representative for this competition? Please e-mail me back at tmao@... . Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > Hey Tyson, > > I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, > Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) > > The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for > videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) > > All the best, Patrick > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab > > notebook.  (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate > more > > later.)  Would people be interested in a country vs. country > Rubik's > > Cube tournament?  Each country would have a representative.  That > > representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber.  The > > representative is in charge of holding whatever type of > competition to > > determine the country's team of 5 best cubers.  Then, we would > have a > > head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket.  5 > cubers > > against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average > the > > middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever > country > > has the faster average advances. > > > > This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of > the > > averages would count for any WRCA recognized records.  This is > just > > because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for > > official world records.  The advantage is that the cubers don't > have to > > travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor > system > > and everything. > > > > Are people up for this?  Think we could get a lot of countries?  > It'd > > be so cool to see an Australian team! > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

You'd like this even more because its launching Rubik's on mobile. Drop me an email if you want to know more. JB --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, jasmine_ellen <no_reply@y...> wrote: > This sounds awesome. I'm very jealous of whoever gets to do it > because I love mobile phones almost as much as I love Rubik's > cubes! :) > > Unfortunately I am no where near the UK. :( > > Jasmine. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Hedley Jones > <davej@s...> wrote: > > Hi > > O2 the mobile phone company are having a party in Soho, London on > Wednesday. > > Is there anyone in the UK who would like to come and show off some > > speedcubing (it should be a good party and lots of fun) ? > > Thanks (e-mail me direct - davej@s...) > > Dave

Hey All I'm going to the "European Rubik's Games Championships 2004" and want to stay at the "Amstel Botel" from Friday 6/8-04 to Sunday 8/8-04, but I would like to share a double room with someone cut the cost. If there are anyone interrested, please let me know. Terje Kristensen

sure, count me in Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: anyone want to go in on a flash cube solving tutorial with me? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd be interested in participating, I think this could be a lot of fun. Are we thinking more official style or more sunday contest style? Would this be weekly or monthly or yearly? etc..etc..etc.. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > I do not have your personal e-mail. Would you be interested in being > the German representative for this competition? Please e-mail me back > at tmao@i... .

Would it be feasible to hold US Regionals and choose the winning team for that to be in the Worlds? there are SO many cubers from the US. I think we should all be able to make a bid for the US Team. -K- --- cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I'd be interested in participating, I think this > could be a lot of > fun. Are we thinking more official style or more > sunday contest > style? Would this be weekly or monthly or yearly? > etc..etc..etc.. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > > > I do not have your personal e-mail. Would you be > interested in > being > > the German representative for this competition? > Please e-mail me > back > > at tmao@i... . > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

There is a French Speedcubing group called rubiklub. U might want to try writing it up on there if you haven’t already. Evan -----Original Message----- From: François SECHET [mailto:frsechet@...] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:50 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: World Tournament Well, I think I might be doing this for France, cuz not too many French read this group (désolé si je me trompe) and in case some do and are interested, please email me at frsechet@... (msn frsechet@...). Yeah, it's a very cool idea! Anyway, if you're French and reading this, please send me an email (or IM me) and tell me if you're interested. I'll also ask other people who don't read this list. François Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: Hey everyone, So I'll set up a website after I get out of school (literally this Friday). I guess people should start thinking about getting together their countries. If you'd like to be the one who organizes your country, you should also probably speak up. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 8, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Frank Morris wrote: > Im down for a country to country battle. :) > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote:Hi Patrick, > > I'm not sure video conferencing would actually be necessary. Sure, it > would be nice to have but I think we can get by without it. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:57 PM, pbellenbaum wrote: > >> Hey Tyson, >> >> I think Germany would be most likely participating... (Stefan, >> Stefan, Michel, Paul, Benjamin: what you think?) >> >> The only thing we have to figure out is a sponsor for >> videoconferencing the head-to-head competitions... (university) >> >> All the best, Patrick >> >> >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao >> wrote: >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I had this idea just now while walking back from picking up my lab >>> notebook. (I have final in an hour so I'll probably elaborate >> more >>> later.) Would people be interested in a country vs. country >> Rubik's >>> Cube tournament? Each country would have a representative. That >>> representative does not necessarily have to be a cuber. The >>> representative is in charge of holding whatever type of >> competition to >>> determine the country's team of 5 best cubers. Then, we would >> have a >>> head to head single or double elimination tournament bracket. 5 >> cubers >>> against 5 cubers, they each do the same set of 5 solves, average >> the >>> middle 3, and then average everyone's middle 3 and which ever >> country >>> has the faster average advances. >>> >>> This would of course be unofficial and just for fun and none of >> the >>> averages would count for any WRCA recognized records. This is >> just >>> because it would not be feasible for the regulation necessary for >>> official world records. The advantage is that the cubers don't >> have to >>> travel anywhere and can compete from their own home on the honor >> system >>> and everything. >>> >>> Are people up for this? Think we could get a lot of countries? >> It'd >>> be so cool to see an Australian team! >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> MSC #631 >>> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> ADVERTISEMENT >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Sure, sounds fun. Just curious, what method are you going to have in the tutorial? Or are you possibly going to have a couple of different methods, for different levels? Evan -----Original Message----- From: sapan you [mailto:gotsoup420@...] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:23 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Flash Cube tutorial sure, count me in Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: anyone want to go in on a flash cube solving tutorial with me? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129shma9j/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086873806/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=837264396> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

that'll be hashed out later. -K- --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > Sure, sounds fun. Just curious, what method are you > going to have in the > tutorial? Or are you possibly going to have a couple > of different methods, > for different levels? > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sapan you [mailto:gotsoup420@...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:23 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Flash Cube > tutorial > > > > sure, count me in > > > Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote: > anyone want to go in on a flash cube solving > tutorial > with me? > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __ __ __ > |__|__|__| > |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> > |__|__|__| > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129shma9j/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086873806/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl > ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2164339/rand=837264396> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion > Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Hi everyone, Kyle Bryant has been kind enough to post my method. If anyone is interested it is at: http://www.cubehead.org/index.php?action=methods&showid=22 Thanks, David J

Not the best idea... not everyone from the united states will have a chance to make it to the national tournament. Just because qualifying matches aren't held in person at pasadena doesn't mean that you won't have a chance to make a bid for the US team. Everyone will have a chance. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 8:23 AM, Kyle Bryant wrote: > Would it be feasible to hold US Regionals and choose > the winning team for that to be in the Worlds? there > are SO many cubers from the US. I think we should all > be able to make a bid for the US Team. > -K- > --- cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I'd be interested in participating, I think this > > could be a lot of > > fun.  Are we thinking more official style or more > > sunday contest > > style?  Would this be weekly or monthly or yearly? > > etc..etc..etc.. > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > > Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > > > Hi Patrick, > > > > > > I do not have your personal e-mail.  Would you be > > interested in > > being > > > the German representative for this competition? > > Please e-mail me > > back > > > at tmao@i... . > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------~- > > > > > > > >  > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > >     > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >  > > > > > >       >             > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends.  Fun.  Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testb_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Hey All I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it anywhere on the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg to solve the "V" position. I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 U' R' U R' F R F. Can anyone help me on this one ? Terje

I'm not exactly sure. Let's shoot for yearly first and see how it goes. The style will be a tiny bit more official than a sunday contest but really, there's no efficient way (unless you can think of something) of how to regulate something like this without costing a lot of money. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 7:48 AM, cmhardw wrote: > I'd be interested in participating, I think this could be a lot of > fun.  Are we thinking more official style or more sunday contest > style?  Would this be weekly or monthly or yearly?  etc..etc..etc.. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > > > I do not have your personal e-mail.  Would you be interested in > being > > the German representative for this competition?  Please e-mail me > back > > at tmao@i... . > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp Algorithm No. 3. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > Hey All > > I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it anywhere on > the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg to solve > the "V" position. > > I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 U' R' > U R' F R F. > > Can anyone help me on this one ? > > Terje > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

well .. it starts the same way, but the end isnt the same .. Terje --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp > > Algorithm No. 3. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > Hey All > > > > I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it anywhere on > > the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg to solve > > the "V" position. > > > > I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 U' R' > > U R' F R F. > > > > Can anyone help me on this one ? > > > > Terje > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > >

well .. i found it, kind of. on this page : http://www.speedcubing.com/ross_permutations.html P18 : [14] (R'UR'U') [u] (R'FR²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) it's just one slight problem, i cant make it work. can anyone verify that alg for me, because i have now tried it a few times with no luck. Terje --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" <terje.kristensen@w...> wrote: > well .. it starts the same way, but the end isnt the same .. > > Terje > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp > > > > Algorithm No. 3. > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it anywhere > on > > > the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg to > solve > > > the "V" position. > > > > > > I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 > U' R' > > > U R' F R F. > > > > > > Can anyone help me on this one ? > > > > > > Terje > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >   > > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >   > > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > >

i second that Kyle Bryant <craptastic_crap@...> wrote:Would it be feasible to hold US Regionals and choose the winning team for that to be in the Worlds? there are SO many cubers from the US. I think we should all be able to make a bid for the US Team. -K- --- cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I'd be interested in participating, I think this > could be a lot of > fun. Are we thinking more official style or more > sunday contest > style? Would this be weekly or monthly or yearly? > etc..etc..etc.. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson > Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > > > I do not have your personal e-mail. Would you be > interested in > being > > the German representative for this competition? > Please e-mail me > back > > at tmao@i... . > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm having a bit of problem to understand what you mean, this is a 2x2x2 method? Or its a 3x3x3 method starting with the 2x2x2 block then orient + place all corners without breaking it?

Yeah, there's a slight problem with it. The algorithms are actually the same thing it's just that ross palmer puts in cube rotations. I think the correct algorithm should be... (R' U R' U') [u] (R' D R' D' R2) (F' R' F R F) does that help? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > well .. i found it, kind of. > > on this page : http://www.speedcubing.com/ross_permutations.html > P18 : [14] (R'UR'U') [u] (R'FR²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) > > it's just one slight problem, i cant make it work. can anyone verify > that alg for me, because i have now tried it a few times with no luck. > > Terje > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" > <terje.kristensen@w...> wrote: > > well .. it starts the same way, but the end isnt the same .. > > > > Terje > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > wrote: > > > http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp > > > > > > Algorithm No. 3. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > MSC #631 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > > >  I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it > anywhere > > on > > > >  the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg > to > > solve > > > >  the "V" position. > > > > > > > >  I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 > > U' R' > > > >  U R' F R F. > > > > > > > >  Can anyone help me on this one ? > > > > > > > >  Terje > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >       •       To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > >   > > > >       •       To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >   > > > >       •       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Thanks for your effort Tyson, but i figured it out. It's a slight bug in the alg, the first F should be a F' like this : (R'UR'U') [u] (R'F'R²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) maybe i'm a bit thick, but i cant quite see how (R'UR'U') [u] (R'F'R2U') (R'UR'FRF) and (R'UR'U') [u] (R'DR'D'R2) (F'R'FRF) are the same algorithm. Terje --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Yeah, there's a slight problem with it. The algorithms are actually > the same thing it's just that ross palmer puts in cube rotations. > > I think the correct algorithm should be... > > (R' U R' U') [u] (R' D R' D' R2) (F' R' F R F) > > does that help? > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > well .. i found it, kind of. > > > > on this page : http://www.speedcubing.com/ross_permutations.html > > P18 : [14] (R'UR'U') [u] (R'FR²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) > > > > it's just one slight problem, i cant make it work. can anyone verify > > that alg for me, because i have now tried it a few times with no luck. > > > > Terje > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" > > <terje.kristensen@w...> wrote: > > > well .. it starts the same way, but the end isnt the same .. > > > > > > Terje > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > > > wrote: > > > > http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp > > > > > > > > Algorithm No. 3. > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > MSC #631 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey All > > > > > > > > > >  I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it > > anywhere > > > on > > > > >  the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an alg > > to > > > solve > > > > >  the "V" position. > > > > > > > > > >  I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like this R2 > > > U' R' > > > > >  U R' F R F. > > > > > > > > > >  Can anyone help me on this one ? > > > > > > > > > >  Terje > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >       •       To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > > >   > > > > >       •       To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >   > > > > >       •       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > >   > > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >   > > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > >

I may have been trying the wrong algorithm. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 1:49 PM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > Thanks for your effort Tyson, but i figured it out. > It's a slight bug in the alg, the first F should be a F' > > like this : (R'UR'U') [u] (R'F'R²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) > maybe i'm a bit thick, but i cant quite see how > > (R'UR'U') [u] (R'F'R2U') (R'UR'FRF) and > > (R'UR'U') [u] (R'DR'D'R2) (F'R'FRF) > > are the same algorithm. > > Terje > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> > wrote: > > Yeah, there's a slight problem with it.  The algorithms are actually > > the same thing it's just that ross palmer puts in cube rotations. > > > > I think the correct algorithm should be... > > > > (R' U R' U') [u] (R' D R' D' R2) (F' R' F R F) > > > > does that help? > > > > Tyson Mao > > MSC #631 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > > > > well .. i found it, kind of. > > > > > >  on this page : http://www.speedcubing.com/ross_permutations.html > > >  P18 : [14] (R'UR'U') [u] (R'FR²U') ((R'UR')F)) (RF) > > > > > >  it's just one slight problem, i cant make it work. can anyone > verify > > >  that alg for me, because i have now tried it a few times with no > luck. > > > > > >  Terje > > > > > >  --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" > > >  <terje.kristensen@w...> wrote: > > >  > well .. it starts the same way, but the end isnt the same .. > > >  > > > >  > Terje > > >  > > > >  > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tmao@i...> > > >  > wrote: > > >  > > http://www.rubiks.dk/redesign/permute.asp > > >  > > > > >  > > Algorithm No. 3. > > >  > > > > >  > > Tyson Mao > > >  > > MSC #631 > > >  > > California Institute of Technology > > >  > > > > >  > > On Jun 9, 2004, at 11:36 AM, Terje Kristensen wrote: > > >  > > > > >  > > > Hey All > > >  > > > > > >  > > >  I have forgotten one of the PLL algs, and I cant find it > > >  anywhere > > >  > on > > >  > > >  the web. I think i learned it from Dave Orser and it's an > alg > > >  to > > >  > solve > > >  > > >  the "V" position. > > >  > > > > > >  > > >  I think it starts like this R' U R' U' .. and ends like > this R2 > > >  > U' R' > > >  > > >  U R' F R F. > > >  > > > > > >  > > >  Can anyone help me on this one ? > > >  > > > > > >  > > >  Terje > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > >  > > > > > >  > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > >  > > > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > > >  > > > <l.gif> > > >  > > > > > >  > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >  > > > > > >  > > >       •       To visit your group on the web, go to: > > >  > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >  > > >   > > >  > > >       •       To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > >  > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >  > > >   > > >  > > >       •       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! > > >  > Terms of > > >  > > > Service. > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > > > <l.gif> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >       •       To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > >   > > >       •       To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >   > > >       •       Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Hey, I think this is a great idea, making speedcubing a teamgame. And also its good for the motivation! short: I' like to take apart Stefan S

Hey Everyone, Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has colored lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd be awesome! ~Joseph

I've done some research, and it seems very plausible. One idea I have, that I might pursue as a science project next year, is to put some sort of lcd or led that can be one of six colors. Embed a small 8 pin micro processor in each piece, and have the pieces communicate through LEDs in the sides to each other. In this way, it would be possible to have a self scrambling cube. If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone know about it. Evan -----Original Message----- From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@...] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea Hey Everyone, Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has colored lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd be awesome! ~Joseph Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129b6126p/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086928188/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion .yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2128215/rand=109477147> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, Is speedcubing.com down? or is something wrong with my computer? just curious Evan

i was begnning to think the same thing it wont load for me either josh --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "evanmgates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Is speedcubing.com down? or is something wrong with my computer? > just curious > > Evan

what's up with the speedcubing.com server ? I only get this when i try to connect : Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.speedcubing.com Port 80 Terje

It's probably just a server upgrade, a scheduled downtime or something of that nature. It was working fine earlier this evening. CMG ________________________________ From: Terje Kristensen [mailto:terje.kristensen@...] Sent: Thu 6/10/2004 2:42 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] speedcubing.com what's up with the speedcubing.com server ? I only get this when i try to connect : Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.29 Server at www.speedcubing.com Port 80 Terje Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129rgpc3j/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086936320/A=2164330/R=0/SIG=11eamf8g4/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60183350> ________________________________ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Evan, You should talk to my Ditch Day team. One of the EE's at Caltech wanted to do something similar. Perhaps you guys can work together? His name is "Chris Hiszpanski" and you can reach him at hiszpans[nospam]@its.caltech.edu . We were interested in creating an electrical Rubik's Cube that does something when it's solved. (i.e. gives a clue, opens a door, takes your Statistical Mechanics final...) Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 9, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Evan Gates wrote: > I've done some research, and it seems very plausible.  One idea I > have, that > I might pursue as a science project next year, is to put some sort of > lcd or > led that can be one of six colors.  Embed a small 8 pin micro > processor in > each piece, and have the pieces communicate through LEDs in the sides > to > each other.  In this way, it would be possible to have a self > scrambling > cube.  If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone know about it. > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > Hey Everyone, > > Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has colored > lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just > wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd be > awesome! > > ~Joseph > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129b6126p/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086928188/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ > companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ > D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=109477147> > > > >   _____  > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > *         To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > be> >   > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Hey Everyone, I was in the shower (all my ideas come usually when I'm doing something random...) and I thought, would people be interested in a collegiate or school type Rubik's Cube Cup? This would be basically the exact same thing as the World Cube Cup but instead of countries, it's schools or organizations. All it takes is one person at a school, and that person will infect quite a few with the cube bug. Take Macky at First Avenue for example... he's got a whole cube cult! Anyway, this would be the same thing. Schools or organizations would have their club president or just someone to be a representative contact me and they would be in charge of holding their own qualifiers somehow. 5 people per team, single or double elimination tournament style. Of course, I'll elaborate when i get back home. So close to being done with school... plowed through 5 finals and now just a 10 page paper on detecting extra-solar planets. Ooh! There's one! I think I see a cube! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

Hi Everyone, Here are the current list of representatives: United States: Frank Morris France: François Sechet Germany: Patrick Bellenbaum Waiting for more people of their respective countries to speak up. The country representatives are responsible for contacting the people of their country. They should make an effort especially to contact the fastest known speedcubers in each country, especially cubers that do not read this yahoo forum. The country representatives should also start compiling a list of people whom would want to compete for a spot on the team. If you would like to try out for your country's team, e-mail your country representative. More information on the qualifying competition will follow. If you would like to compete, but your country does not have a representative, either pressure someone to do it or perhaps you'd like to do it yourself. It would be great to get 16 countries... some nice number. Countries that I think could field teams that need representatives: Canada, Italy, Sweden, Japan, Korea, Great Britain, Netherlands, Belgium, China, Phillipeans, Denmark, Australia Again, a website will be out in a few days. I just need to finish the year. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology

Hi, Count me in for the Dutch! Btw. yes, speedcubing.com is down. They are still working on it. It seems like we have too many sites deeplinking to content (especially videos) on our site. Recently the average throughput has been 10GB a day... Have fun, Ron --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@i...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Here are the current list of representatives: > > United States: Frank Morris > France: François Sechet > Germany: Patrick Bellenbaum > > Waiting for more people of their respective countries to speak up. The > country representatives are responsible for contacting the people of > their country. They should make an effort especially to contact the > fastest known speedcubers in each country, especially cubers that do > not read this yahoo forum. > > The country representatives should also start compiling a list of > people whom would want to compete for a spot on the team. If you would > like to try out for your country's team, e-mail your country > representative. More information on the qualifying competition will > follow. > > If you would like to compete, but your country does not have a > representative, either pressure someone to do it or perhaps you'd like > to do it yourself. > > It would be great to get 16 countries... some nice number. Countries > that I think could field teams that need representatives: > > Canada, Italy, Sweden, Japan, Korea, Great Britain, Netherlands, > Belgium, China, Phillipeans, Denmark, Australia > > Again, a website will be out in a few days. I just need to finish the > year. > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology

... What's next, a cube with touch-sensors? :p sounds fun tho :) ... Jonas --- Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: > I've done some research, and it seems very > plausible. One idea I have, that > I might pursue as a science project next year, is to > put some sort of lcd or > led that can be one of six colors. Embed a small 8 > pin micro processor in > each piece, and have the pieces communicate through > LEDs in the sides to > each other. In this way, it would be possible to > have a self scrambling > cube. If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone > know about it. > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > Hey Everyone, > > Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube > that has colored > lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of > non-cubers. Just > wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted > cubicles. That'd be > awesome! > > ~Joseph > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129b6126p/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086928188/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=109477147> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

I've been thinking about L2L strategies for a while after I realised that 1) my own method is a move in this direction, 2) that several other strtagies are moving in the same direction and 3) that there is a clear logic for doing this. Hopefully the name says it all - whereas Fridrich and some others are F2L followed by a LL, these strategies are moving towards part or all of FL and then solving the last 2 layers at the same time. Several other strategies such as ZB and Triad Tram have also started combining LL and F2L or LL and ME (middle edge) moves. I have a sequence of strategies (L2L1 up to L2L4) the firstly fully functional (as data would say), the second over halfway worked out, the 3rd I believe is not going to work and the 4th which I have high hopes for, as described below. But first how do they compare to Fridrich? Generally they are a similar number of moves ranging from 57 for L2L1 to potentially 51 for L2L4. They use much fewer algorithms - L2L1 uses only 40 in total for the whole solve the others gradually increasing, L2L4 would be around 65 - 70. L2L1 uses 7 looks the same as Fridrich, L2L2 will be 6 looks (47 algorithms), in principle L2L3 would be 5 looks but I believe there would be too many algorithms as the 5th stage, L2L4 will be 5 looks. Brief descriptions: L2L1 - I have described this in posts before sometimes as the DD method: Cross + 1 FL corner (1 look), complete the other three Fl corners and Middle edges as you wish (I use a keyhole approach but using Fridrich pairs this would be 3 looks), last ME + orient adjacent LL corner + orient all LL edges (24 algorithms required) OLL - only 4 algorithms need because you only have up to 3 corners needing orientation (a 1/9 chance of being "lucky" here) PLL - as for Fridrich - 12 algorithms I finally broke my onehanded best time using this method - 40.44! Still got a way to go before my averages approach the WR though. L2L2 - Cross + 2 FL corners (1 look) complete other two corners and MEs as you wish (2 looks) 3rd ME and orient LL corners (27 algorithms required - i've worked out 26 of them!) last ME and orient LL edges (8 algorithms required - not started looking yet) PLL - as for Fridrich - 12 algorithms L2L3 Cross + 3 corners (1 look!) ok this is getting tough) Complete last FL corner and one ME 2nd ME and orient corners (27 algorithms) 3rd ME and orient edges (6 algorithms) 4th ME and PLL (way too many algorithms I think so i think L2L3 is not viable) L2L4 Cross + 4 corners 1st ME and orient LL corners 2nd ME and place LL corners 3rd ME and orient LL edges 4th ME and place LL edges There are elements of L2L4 that look pretty restrictive but it is certainly going to be provable one way or the other. Either some of the algorithms are too long or it will be a nice 5 look method within the reach of most speedcubers. We had a debate on here about FL in one look before. Because I use the keyhole method and solve onehanded I tend to be looking continuously - something you can't really do twohanded I think - so maybe its going to be more practical for onehanded solves. Anyway any views or helpful algorithms would be highly appreciated. I now have AIM under the name of onehandedcuber. Best wishes Duncan

If we were to do schools, could teachers compete as well? Evan -----Original Message----- From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:43 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Another Rubik's Cube Cup Hey Everyone, I was in the shower (all my ideas come usually when I'm doing something random...) and I thought, would people be interested in a collegiate or school type Rubik's Cube Cup? This would be basically the exact same thing as the World Cube Cup but instead of countries, it's schools or organizations. All it takes is one person at a school, and that person will infect quite a few with the cube bug. Take Macky at First Avenue for example... he's got a whole cube cult! Anyway, this would be the same thing. Schools or organizations would have their club president or just someone to be a representative contact me and they would be in charge of holding their own qualifiers somehow. 5 people per team, single or double elimination tournament style. Of course, I'll elaborate when i get back home. So close to being done with school... plowed through 5 finals and now just a 10 page paper on detecting extra-solar planets. Ooh! There's one! I think I see a cube! Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129pf9kp8/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086950597/A=2164331/R=0/SIG=11eaelai9/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183351> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164331/rand=594674959> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i was actually thinking of making a cube that solves itself.... but iono how that would work (the challenge is making it self-contained) any ideas? __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well my science project this year was a cube solving robot. There were six stepper motors with a rod into each center, which could then turn the faces. If you could embed stepper motors in the axels, then the cube could solve itself. Combine this with an electronic cube, that communicates between pieces, and you now have a self solving cube that keeps track of all its moves. And you would have 20 microprocessors in the cube (one in each piece except the centers) so it should be able to at least do a simple Thistlethwaite. If we are really lucky, maybe the flash memory is enough, or maybe we can put in more, so we can store the move and pruning tables required for a fast Kociemba algorithm. It would be a neat extension of an electronic cube, but I think that finding stepper motors small enough, and with enough torque, would be difficult. If anyone does find such motors, let me know. Evan -----Original Message----- From: sapan you [mailto:gotsoup420@...] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:09 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea i was actually thinking of making a cube that solves itself.... but iono how that would work (the challenge is making it self-contained) any ideas? __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129366o4d/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086966586/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=313281217> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was wondering why lubing my cubes NEVER worked. I figured I just kept under-lubing and over-lubing it. Then today I thought "There must be some reason that the lube doesn't even help at all, and seems to make it worse." I read the bottle of silicone spray and it says Caution: Contains Petroleum Distillates. That's when I said "oh poop" I guess that explains it. As Dan Knights says on his site "Don't use a petroleum-based lubricant like "WD-40", it destroyed my first cube in about a day." I figured it wouldn't have petroleum...it's a silicone lubricant!

I don't see why not? Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 10, 2004, at 8:02 AM, Evan Gates wrote: > If we were to do schools, could teachers compete as well? > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyson Mao [mailto:tmao@...] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 3:43 AM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Another Rubik's Cube Cup > > > > Hey Everyone, > > I was in the shower (all my ideas come usually when I'm doing > something > random...) and I thought, would people be interested in a collegiate > or > school type Rubik's Cube Cup?  This would be basically the exact same > thing as the World Cube Cup but instead of countries, it's schools or > organizations. > > All it takes is one person at a school, and that person will infect > quite a few with the cube bug.  Take Macky at First Avenue for > example... he's got a whole cube cult!  Anyway, this would be the same > thing.  Schools or organizations would have their club president or > just someone to be a representative contact me and they would be in > charge of holding their own qualifiers somehow.  5 people per team, > single or double elimination tournament style. > > Of course, I'll elaborate when i get back home.  So close to being > done > with school... plowed through 5 finals and now just a 10 page paper on > detecting extra-solar planets.  Ooh!  There's one!  I think I see a > cube! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129pf9kp8/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/ > D=groups > > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086950597/A=2164331/R=0/SIG=11eaelai9/*http:/ > www.netfl > ix.com/Default?mqso=60183351> click here > > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/ > D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2164331/rand=594674959> > > > >   _____  > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > *         To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > > *         To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > be> >   > > *         Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>  Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_testa_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

> with school... plowed through 5 finals and now just a 10 page paper on > detecting extra-solar planets. Ooh! There's one! I think I see a > cube! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology If you don't mind my asking, Tyson, What's your major? I'm majoring in Astronomy at OU in Oklahoma, and a paper on detecting extra-solar planets is likely in my near future... Daniel

Dang, that's not very good. If it hasn't destroyed your cube yet, then what I would do is take the entire thing apart and wash all teh pieces with soap and water. Then buy some REAL Silicone Spray, and try it again. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "yodamunkey1" <lclif@c...> wrote: > I was wondering why lubing my cubes NEVER worked. I figured I just > kept under-lubing and over-lubing it. Then today I thought "There must > be some reason that the lube doesn't even help at all, and seems to > make it worse." I read the bottle of silicone spray and it says > > Caution: Contains Petroleum Distillates. > > That's when I said "oh poop" I guess that explains it. As Dan Knights > says on his site "Don't use a petroleum-based lubricant like "WD- 40", > it destroyed my first cube in about a day." > > I figured it wouldn't have petroleum...it's a silicone lubricant!

Another idea suggested to me by a non cuber is using the cube as a lock. And the lock would open only when the cube is solved (or in some pattern or something).Maybe using a 2x2x2 would be more practical. It wouldn't take much longer than a combination lock to open. I like locks and lock picking but i can't come up with a good way for this to work. It would be easiest if it was electroninc but a fully mechanical cube lock would be cool but i can't see figure out that could work. Any thougts? --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > I've done some research, and it seems very plausible. One idea I have, that > I might pursue as a science project next year, is to put some sort of lcd or > led that can be one of six colors. Embed a small 8 pin micro processor in > each piece, and have the pieces communicate through LEDs in the sides to > each other. In this way, it would be possible to have a self scrambling > cube. If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone know about it. > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > Hey Everyone, > > Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has colored > lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just > wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd be > awesome! > > ~Joseph > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129b6126p/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D =groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086928188/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=109477147> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeh...I thought of this 'cup in school' thing for a while now, and I seem to have a huge group of cubo people around too ^^. anyways, if this does get into action, this would be way awesome. -bm Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: > with school... plowed through 5 finals and now just a 10 page paper on > detecting extra-solar planets. Ooh! There's one! I think I see a > cube! > > Tyson Mao > MSC #631 > California Institute of Technology If you don't mind my asking, Tyson, What's your major? I'm majoring in Astronomy at OU in Oklahoma, and a paper on detecting extra-solar planets is likely in my near future... Daniel Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you use a blind man's cube, with the raised bumps it might work. Once it is in a pattern, you would put it into some small opening or something with the correct orientation, and the box you put it in could detect it. This is kind of the same idea as with a normal key, how it moves the things to certain heights or something like that. Another idea, if the electronic cube was made that communicated from piece to piece via LEDs on the sides of the pieces, then something could be inserted between the two correct pieces, when the cube is in the correct position. This, whatever it would be that goes between the pieces, could then sense the led signals being emitted and received. And yet another idea if you want to get even crazier. If a small wireless transmitter could be placed inside one of the cubies, next to the 8 pin microprocessor, then when the cube is in the correct pattern, it could emit a wireless signal which is received by the lock, making it open. Now you've got my mind set off on different tangents. It would be awesome if I could something like that to work. Think I could win the science fair? lol That's all for now Evan -----Original Message----- From: Chris Sz... [mailto:s2chris2@...] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:21 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea Another idea suggested to me by a non cuber is using the cube as a lock. And the lock would open only when the cube is solved (or in some pattern or something).Maybe using a 2x2x2 would be more practical. It wouldn't take much longer than a combination lock to open. I like locks and lock picking but i can't come up with a good way for this to work. It would be easiest if it was electroninc but a fully mechanical cube lock would be cool but i can't see figure out that could work. Any thougts? --barefoot Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > I've done some research, and it seems very plausible. One idea I have, that > I might pursue as a science project next year, is to put some sort of lcd or > led that can be one of six colors. Embed a small 8 pin micro processor in > each piece, and have the pieces communicate through LEDs in the sides to > each other. In this way, it would be possible to have a self scrambling > cube. If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone know about it. > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > Hey Everyone, > > Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has colored > lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just > wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd be > awesome! > > ~Joseph > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129b6126p/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D =groups > /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086928188/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:/ companion > .yahoo.com> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l? M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=109477147> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscri > be> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1295bdn3q/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086981794/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=102369539> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, I'd like that very much, too! So we're already three Germans :) Stefan P --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "sun_helos" <sun_helos@y...> wrote: > Hey, > I think this is a great idea, making speedcubing a teamgame. And also > its good for the motivation! short: I' like to take apart > Stefan S

sorry to be replying again but somethign that just popped into my head. If you did it the second way, where you insert something between two peices, there would be even more possibilities. assuming that there arent microprocessors or leds in the center peices, bcause there isnt much room, then there would be 8 * 6 or 48 different possible places to insert something. so there would be 48 times the number of possible positions on the cube. And if it was done the first way, then there would be 24 different orientations, so 24 times the number of possible positions. Just some random stuff i was thinking about. But im pretty sure that 4.3 x 10^19 is enough combinations evan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > If you use a blind man's cube, with the raised bumps it might work. Once it > is in a pattern, you would put it into some small opening or something with > the correct orientation, and the box you put it in could detect it. This is > kind of the same idea as with a normal key, how it moves the things to > certain heights or something like that. > > > > Another idea, if the electronic cube was made that communicated from piece > to piece via LEDs on the sides of the pieces, then something could be > inserted between the two correct pieces, when the cube is in the correct > position. This, whatever it would be that goes between the pieces, could > then sense the led signals being emitted and received. > > > > And yet another idea if you want to get even crazier. If a small wireless > transmitter could be placed inside one of the cubies, next to the 8 pin > microprocessor, then when the cube is in the correct pattern, it could emit > a wireless signal which is received by the lock, making it open. > > > > Now you've got my mind set off on different tangents. It would be awesome > if I could something like that to work. Think I could win the science fair? > lol > > > > That's all for now > > > > Evan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Sz... [mailto:s2chris2@h...] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:21 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > Another idea suggested to me by a non cuber is using the cube as a > lock. And the lock would open only when the cube is solved (or in > some pattern or something).Maybe using a 2x2x2 would be more > practical. It wouldn't take much longer than a combination lock to > open. I like locks and lock picking but i can't come up with a good > way for this to work. It would be easiest if it was electroninc but > a fully mechanical cube lock would be cool but i can't see figure > out that could work. Any thougts? > > --barefoot Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" > <evan.gates@i...> wrote: > > I've done some research, and it seems very plausible. One idea I > have, that > > I might pursue as a science project next year, is to put some sort > of lcd or > > led that can be one of six colors. Embed a small 8 pin micro > processor in > > each piece, and have the pieces communicate through LEDs in the > sides to > > each other. In this way, it would be possible to have a self > scrambling > > cube. If I do end up doing this, I'll let everyone know about it. > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: azinj05ieipih [mailto:azinj05ieipih@y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:30 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea > > > > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > Has anyone ever thought of making or having a cube that has > colored > > lights? Just an idea that I heard from alot of non-cubers. Just > > wondering whether anyone know how to make lighted cubicles. That'd > be > > awesome! > > > > ~Joseph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Hey guyz, I'm currently wondering... Is the permuation Z, E, or N anyone's _favorite_ pll, as in performing it less than 3 seconds every time, or even less than 2?? anyone?...anyone... [for those who don't know who these are...] (14,17,14,5) L D'B L'D�R F' R'D�L�B'L'D L' (N) x'F(RU'R'U)(DR'DU')(R'UR)D� (Z) (15,16,15,4) F R'F'L F R F'L�B'R B L B'R'B (E) -bm :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

woo, im all 'z', 1.68 seconds :-D josh --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > Hey guyz, > I'm currently wondering... Is the permuation Z, E, or N anyone's _favori= te_ pll, as in performing it less than 3 seconds every time, or even less than 2?? anyone= ?...anyone... > > [for those who don't know who these are...] > (14,17,14,5) L D'B L'D²R F' R'D²L²B'L'D L' (N) > x'F(RU'R'U)(DR'DU')(R'UR)D² (Z) > (15,16,15,4) F R'F'L F R F'L²B'R B L B'R'B (E) > > -bm > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

WHOA!! ok, can you please tell me...maybe..._how_? haha, it takes me like 3-5 or maybe 6 :(. this alg is very hard for me. any help would be appreciated ;) -bm hubexe <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: woo, im all 'z', 1.68 seconds :-D josh --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > Hey guyz, > I'm currently wondering... Is the permuation Z, E, or N anyone's _favori= te_ pll, as in performing it less than 3 seconds every time, or even less than 2?? anyone= ?...anyone... > > [for those who don't know who these are...] > (14,17,14,5) L D'B L'D�R F' R'D�L�B'L'D L' (N) > x'F(RU'R'U)(DR'DU')(R'UR)D� (Z) > (15,16,15,4) F R'F'L F R F'L�B'R B L B'R'B (E) > > -bm > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's right here, from the world champion: http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/CubeInfo1.html#hints You'll master it easily. Yeah, N and E are awful for me, too. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > WHOA!! ok, can you please tell me...maybe..._how_? haha, it takes me like 3-5 or maybe 6 :(. this alg is very hard for me. any help would be appreciated ;)

How quickly can you parallel park a car without hitting or bumping into anything? http://annuaire.pepere.free.fr/aventures/voiture2.swf (in french) I guess it's sort of like the "concentration" game ;-) .... Ok so this post if off topic :) Chris

yea, i could probably find them, just im not very experienced with the microprocessor stuff... we have a store here called EPO and it has all sorts of stuff like that... you may have one like that there -cubekid Evan Gates <evan.gates@...> wrote: Well my science project this year was a cube solving robot. There were six stepper motors with a rod into each center, which could then turn the faces. If you could embed stepper motors in the axels, then the cube could solve itself. Combine this with an electronic cube, that communicates between pieces, and you now have a self solving cube that keeps track of all its moves. And you would have 20 microprocessors in the cube (one in each piece except the centers) so it should be able to at least do a simple Thistlethwaite. If we are really lucky, maybe the flash memory is enough, or maybe we can put in more, so we can store the move and pruning tables required for a fast Kociemba algorithm. It would be a neat extension of an electronic cube, but I think that finding stepper motors small enough, and with enough torque, would be difficult. If anyone does find such motors, let me know. Evan -----Original Message----- From: sapan you [mailto:gotsoup420@...] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:09 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Speed cubing group] Pretty Crazy Cube Idea i was actually thinking of making a cube that solves itself.... but iono how that would work (the challenge is making it self-contained) any ideas? __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129366o4d/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1086966586/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=313281217> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ __ __ |__|__|__| |__|__|__| < \_/ |3 3 |< | |> |__|__|__| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

when i got bored i tried racing dan's z permution. got a good kick out of it haha i dont know why i did it but it was just entertaining when i was learning the permutions josh --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> wrote: > It's right here, from the world champion: > http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/CubeInfo1.html#hints > You'll master it easily. > > Yeah, N and E are awful for me, too. > > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan > <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > WHOA!! ok, can you please tell me...maybe..._how_? haha, it takes > me like 3-5 or maybe 6 :(. this alg is very hard for me. any help > would be appreciated ;)

Hey everyone who were debating on whether or not Eastsheens should be allowed. This is a notice directly from rubiks.com: Rubik's Revenge® (4x4) is a limited release upgrade on the world's best selling puzzle - Rubik's Cube® (3x3). NOTICE: The 4x4 and 5x5 are inherently less durable than the 3x3 cube due to the considerable additional moveable parts. While Rubik have endeavoured to, and are confident of, these puzzle being the best quality possible it is only fair to it's customers to be made aware these puzzles are not suitable for 'speed cubing'. These puzzles should not be forced to twist and must be aligned correctly before twisting to prevent damage. As such, we can not be responsible for repacement of 4x4 or 5x5 Cubes which break during use due to turning misaligned rows. New for 2002 - International Packaging! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- So yes, I think Eastsheens should be allowed due to the case that 4x4's and 5x5's from rubiks.com are less durable and easier to pop/break apart. ~Joseph

They just write that so you can't complain when you forcibly destroy your cube. Eastsheens are illegal. The idea of the Rubik's Cube is patented and so we must not support these groups. I cannot sanction the use of an Eastsheen in a competition and a competition that lets one slip by puts its records into serious doubt. Tyson Mao MSC #631 California Institute of Technology On Jun 10, 2004, at 9:22 PM, azinj05ieipih wrote: > Hey everyone who were debating on whether or not Eastsheens should be > allowed. This is a notice directly from rubiks.com: > > Rubik's Revenge® (4x4) is a limited release upgrade on the world's > best selling puzzle - Rubik's Cube® (3x3). > > NOTICE: The 4x4 and 5x5 are inherently less durable than the 3x3 cube > due to the considerable additional moveable parts. While Rubik have > endeavoured to, and are confident of, these puzzle being the best > quality possible it is only fair to it's customers to be made aware > these puzzles are not suitable for 'speed cubing'. These puzzles > should not be forced to twist and must be aligned correctly before > twisting to prevent damage. As such, we can not be responsible for > repacement of 4x4 or 5x5 Cubes which break during use due to turning > misaligned rows. > > > > > New for 2002 - International Packaging! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > So yes, I think Eastsheens should be allowed due to the case that > 4x4's and 5x5's from rubiks.com are less durable and easier to > pop/break apart. > > ~Joseph > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <yhoo0504_a_300250a052604.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > • To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ >   > • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >   > • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > >

Z, I can do it fast and it makes me feel accomplished watching myself do it :) --- hubexe <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > when i got bored i tried racing dan's z permution. > got a good kick out of it haha i dont > know why i did it but it was just entertaining when > i was learning the permutions > > josh > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > wrote: > > It's right here, from the world champion: > > > http://benjerry.middlebury.edu/~knights/Cube/CubeInfo1.html#hints > > You'll master it easily. > > > > Yeah, N and E are awful for me, too. > > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Brent Morgan > > <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > > WHOA!! ok, can you please tell > me...maybe..._how_? haha, it takes > > me like 3-5 or maybe 6 :(. this alg is very hard > for me. any help > > would be appreciated ;) > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

Z I can consistently do in around 2 seconds, N and E are not my favorites by far but they aren't terribly slow for me either. Here are my algs for each, (Z): x' (RU')(R'U)(DR'DU')(R'UR)(D2F) (N): (L'U)(R'U2)(LU'L')(RUR')U2(LU')(RU') (E): y'x' (RU'R')D(RUR')z(L2U')(RU)(LU')(R'U) for E do the (L2U') by reaching all the way around on L and doing L twice clockwise then you can immediately trigger U' at the end. E is not one of my fastest but I can get it as low as 2 seconds sometimes. N is definitely not one of my fastest but not one of my slowest either. Hope this helps some, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@y...> wrote: > > Hey guyz, > I'm currently wondering... Is the permuation Z, E, or N anyone's _favorite_ pll, as in performing it less than 3 seconds every time, or even less than 2?? anyone?...anyone... > > [for those who don't know who these are...] > (14,17,14,5) L D'B L'D²R F' R'D²L²B'L'D L' (N) > x'F(RU'R'U)(DR'DU')(R'UR)D² (Z) > (15,16,15,4) F R'F'L F R F'L²B'R B L B'R'B (E) > > -bm > > > > :) > --Brent > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone know the number of this patent? I tried to search for it in the IBM patent database but found nothing. Not that I've ever used it before, so that doesn't have to mean much. Does the Rubik's packaging mention a patent? Also, patents normally only last for 17 years, so it seems odd that this one would still be valid. /Lars At 9:56 PM -0700 6/10/04, Tyson Mao wrote: >They just write that so you can't complain when you forcibly destroy >your cube. Eastsheens are illegal. The idea of the Rubik's Cube is >patented and so we must not support these groups. I cannot sanction >the use of an Eastsheen in a competition and a competition that lets >one slip by puts its records into serious doubt. > >Tyson Mao >MSC #631 >California Institute of Technology -- "They say the grass is greener on the other side, but have you ever flipped it over?" Lars Petrus, San Francisco - lars@... http://lar5.com

What are the most important or most fundamental algorithms that would be good to memorise?, about 10 or so algorithms if possible (and easily recognizable). If anyone would be willing to help me =(, please give the codes from the speedcubing.com website for the f2l. Although i don't have my cube right now, my f2l is very slow, because i use a working corner method, any way i don't want to learn every single algorithm, because my goal is an average under 60seconds.

If you want to stick with the working corner method, you could memorize the algorithms in which the edge is already in place. Then you can place all four edges, then the last corner. Doing this and a four look last layer I averaged 50 seconds about. Evan -----Original Message----- From: donutflask [mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 12:16 AM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Speed cubing group] Help a fellow cuber - Fridrich F2l Algorithms What are the most important or most fundamental algorithms that would be good to memorise?, about 10 or so algorithms if possible (and easily recognizable). If anyone would be willing to help me =(, please give the codes from the speedcubing.com website for the f2l. Although i don't have my cube right now, my f2l is very slow, because i use a working corner method, any way i don't want to learn every single algorithm, because my goal is an average under 60seconds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12905u42b/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups /S=1705297356:HM/EXP=1087024577/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http:/www.netfl ix.com/Default?mqso=60183348> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2164339/rand=293953700> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]